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Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

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Tobi is Izuna: The Complete Guide to Tobi's Identity

Criteria For Tobi’s Identity

1) He is from the time of Hashirama Senju, and needs to be someone the Kyuubi would instantly recognize.

He is instantly recognized by the Kyuubi, who as far as we know has been sealed away in an Uzumaki jinchuuriki ever since the battle at the Valley of the End, where Uzumaki Mito sealed it into herself. There are no reports of the Kyuubi having broken free aside from in Yondaime’s time. This means that Tobi is someone the Kyuubi met during the time of Hashirama.

Given the way in which he speaks of past events, he has first-hand knowledge of and was emotionally investment in the Uchiha/Senju conflict.

Izuna fits: Uchiha Izuna was from this time period, and for obvious reasons, was personally and emotionally invested in fighting the Senju.

2) He has to have a credible reason for being pissed off at the Uchiha’s making peace with the Senju, and needs to be personally, emotionally invested in Uchiha Izuna’s eyes being given to Uchiha Madara.

“What kind of monster would hurt his beloved younger brother?! All I ever wanted was to protect the Uchiha clan! […] My younger brother accepted his role and willingly gave his eyes to me….[Tobi clenches his arms in anger]. What happened to the hatred we had for them?! What did my brother sacrifice his eyes for?!”

Izuna fits: He has ample reason to be pissed off at the Uchiha, even more so than Uchiha Madara; he sacrificed his eyes and possibly his life to give Madara the EMS in order to protect the Uchiha in their fight against the Senju, only to have them go and make peace? Why did he sacrifice his eyes and his life for them, then?!

3) He has a credible reason for claiming that the eyes Nagato had “were [his] to begin with.”

Izuna fits: If we accept the likelihood that Nagato’s eyes used to be Uchiha Madara’s (who is the only person we know which awakened the Rinnegan), then we also accept that Nagato’s eyes originally belonged to Uchiha Izuna’s, as we know that Uchiha Madara’s EMS eyes originally belonged to Izuna. Izuna fits this perfectly; no one else has a better credible reason to claim Nagato’s eyes “were his to begin with” than Izuna.

4) He needs to be a person whom Uchiha Madara will trust with his own life and rebirth.

Madara trusted Tobi to bring him back to life with Nagato’s powers. This is a major deal. Who would the great Uchiha Madara trust with his own life?

If we accept Madara’s statement that he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death, then this also means that he had only a very short period of time to transplant the Rinnegan into child Nagato. This means that he was 100%, utterly dependent on Tobi to carry out the ‘plan’ he mentioned to Kabuto, which included his resurrection.

Madara also gave Tobi access to the Hashirama-related power which he had nearly died for; an incredible show of trust.

Izuna fits: He is Uchiha Madara’s younger brother, and brotherly ties are a major focal point of this manga. We know that Rinnei Tensei can bring the dead back to life, and we know that Uchiha Madara gained the Rinnegan before dying. It would make sense if he used the Rinnegan to bring back Izuna.

Counter-Argument: Nagato wasn’t able to bring back Jiraiya because he had died too long ago! How could Madara bring back Izuna, who had died even longer ago!

Response: Uchiha Madara planned to use Nagato to bring himself back to life. If we accept that Madara died while Nagato was a child (which is necessary, as Nagato was given the Rinnegan as a child), and that Nagato was expected to ‘grow’ into his power, then this shows Madara thought it was fully possible for Nagato to resurrect him, despite years having passed. Which indicates that it is also fully possible for Madara to resurrect Izuna, despite years having passed.

5) He needs to have a credible grudge against Konoha, and has to have waited a long time for his vengeance against Konoha.
Spoken to Kushina: “Do you have any idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?!”

Izuna fits: His reason for a grudge against Konoha are obvious and profound; he gave his eyes to fight against the Senju who controlled the village, then eventually expelled his brother out from it. If we accept that he died or was maimed back in Hashirama’s days, then he has been waiting a long, long time indeed for his vengeance.

6) Tobi needs to be an Uchiha.

Although not Madara, Tobi still needs to have an Uchiha’s body; he uses the sharingan with expertise not seen outside a native Uchiha, and does not appear to have any problems with his body not being suited for the sharingan.

Izuna fits: Self-explanatory.

7) Tobi has to have a credible reason for being at least partly made out of Zetsu goo, even as far back as the fight with Yondaime.

Izuna somewhat fits: Tobi claims that Uchiha Izuna died in battle after losing his eyes. Knowing that Rinnei Tensi is capable of bringing the dead back, and also knowing that Zetsu goo is based off of Hashirama’s DNA, it’s credible that for Madara to bring Izuna back, he had to use Zetsu goo for whatever reason. Admittedly, more data is required here.

8) He has an old, wrinkly face, despite being partially made out of Zetsu goo.

Izuna fits: If we accept that Izuna was brought back to life with the Rinnegan while Nagato was a child, then at least 30+ years have passed, as we know that Nagato (being Jiraiya’s first disciple) should be as old or older than Minato. If Izuna was brought back in a partially ‘real’ body which aged, and if he had died in his 20’s, then he would now be in his 50’s or 60’s, explaining the wrinkly face. This is also supported by the fact that he indicates if Itachi knew some of his secrets, the Amaterasu would have killed him, indicating that at least part of him was non-Zetsu goo and thus vulnerable to being killed.
 

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Re: Tobi is Izuna: The Complete Guide to Tobi's Identity

I'm starting to think so, too.
People say that Izuna died and there was a scene of him in a coffin. True, but remember, Tobi was the one narrating that story. More than half of the story to Sasuke was a lie — claiming to be Madara; Izuna "agreeing" to give up his eyes; having nothing to do with the Nine-Tails incident.

Other than that, we haven't seen Izuna dead nor has anyone else confirmed it. That image could have been added in just for effect. Itachi didn't mention Izuna's death when he was explaining about Madara and the EMS (or at least I don't think).

And it could be that when Izuna gave up his eyes (or so they say), he replaced them with another Sharingan? Hence why it seems like Tobi's Sharingan are always activated.

Anyway, just my 2cents, my own opinion. Time will tell =DD
 
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Re: Tobi is Izuna: The Complete Guide to Tobi's Identity

This theory has been said over and over again. I won't even bother reading more then 50% of it. I don't think Tobi is Izuna.
 

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Re: Tobi is Izuna: The Complete Guide to Tobi's Identity

We saw the image of Izuna in the coffin.
I'm starting to think so, too.
People say that Izuna died and there was a scene of him in a coffin. True, but remember, Tobi was the one narrating that story. More than half of the story to Sasuke was a lie — claiming to be Madara; Izuna "agreeing" to give up his eyes; having nothing to do with the Nine-Tails incident.

Other than that, we haven't seen Izuna dead nor has anyone else confirmed it. That image could have been added in just for effect. Itachi didn't mention Izuna's death when he was explaining about Madara and the EMS (or at least I don't think).

And it could be that when Izuna gave up his eyes (or so they say), he replaced them with another Sharingan? Hence why it seems like Tobi's Sharingan are always activated.

Anyway, just my 2cents, my own opinion. Time will tell =DD
@Reecep this is ur ansswer
 

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Re: Tobi is Izuna: The Complete Guide to Tobi's Identity

wow nice thread and im starting to think so too. everyone on this thread who are bitching need to stfu and be respectful.
 

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Re: Tobi is Izuna: The Complete Guide to Tobi's Identity

@OP - You killed your own argument with your 'counter-argument'... How is it that Nagato was incapable of reviving Jiraiya who had died a couple weeks prior to his assault on Konoha... And yet Izuna would have died literally years before, is somehow able to be resurrected?
 
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Re: Tobi is Izuna: The Complete Guide to Tobi's Identity

:izuna:wow... great theory.... dude... thats too brilliantly said... lets see if it is true some day....
and you have fully put this in a perfect infact almost perfect story to be fact...:izuna:.
 

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Re: Tobi is Izuna: The Complete Guide to Tobi's Identity

well if people say he was in a coffin people need to remember it was tobi saying so and don't believe what he says and for this thread maybe maybe not
 

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Re: Tobi is Izuna: The Complete Guide to Tobi's Identity

:izuna:wow... great theory.... dude... thats too brilliantly said... lets see if it is true some day....
and you have fully put this in a perfect infact almost perfect story to be fact...:izuna:.
wow nice thread and im starting to think so too. everyone on this thread who are bitching need to stfu and be respectful.
thank u:D
 
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