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Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

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I like the tobi is an izanagi creation idea. seems plausible. The part where he says that the victor was the one who looks to the future, right before that he said I am Uchiha Madara with the power of senju hashirama. I don't know but I think of it like he's saying he's a combination of those two people, not that he IS madara. like put a comma after i am and then read it. i guess that would be true kind of if he was made from madara, and has senju cells.
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

-Can't be Obito because he was too young during the Kyuubi Attack

-Can't be Shisui because he died while Itachi was older..Itachi was a little boy during Kyuubi attack..Plus Tobi was a Zetsu at the time

-I don't think its Kagami because he's just some random character

-It has to be Izuna...think about it...His brother would claim himself to be his older brother
 

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It's my first time to post here and I would like to give my opinion regarding the masked guy who led the 4th world ninja war against the allied shinobi army. First, this guy knows a lot the ultimate history and evolution of Ninja world. So, he has a link to the founder of Ninja which is the sage of the six path. But this guy is surely has a desire and lust of the power of Eye ninjutsu specifically sharingan and rennigan. For me, the only person who has a lust of that kind of power is Orochimaru. He desired power that's why he wanted to possess the power of the Uchihas. The third Hokage also told in the series and manga that his ideals changed into darkness since the death of his parents. In all aspect, he wanted to become the most powerful ninja that's why he experimented the powers of 1st & 2nd Hokages together with searching the perfect body of an Uchiha. Well, he is gone anyway. So, in my opinion, the masked guy or Tobi is not an Uchiha but he hates the Uchiha. He might be condemned by the Uichha that's why he killed and murdered many Uchiha like what he did when he assisted Itachi. He is somewhat immortal because he can transfer from one body to another just like Orochimaru. His body was severely injured when he battled Minato or the 4th Hokage and against Konan but look at him now, he has a new body and mask. If he is truly an Uchiha, why is it that he has a hard time controlling all the Bijuus against naruto and Kurama? He is like Orochimaru, a person who is obsessed with Power that's why he wants to incorporate all the powers of Rennigan, Sharingan & physical power of Hashirama. He might be the father or grandfather of Orochimaru. The one who witnessed the battle of Hashirama and Madara. That's why he gained the eyes of madara because of that moment. Well, this is just my opinion.
 

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He had a hard time controlling all the bijuu against naruto? really? HE WAS CONTROLLING SIX OF THEM!!!! No non Uchiha can control that many bijuu at once, it's hard enough to control ONE of them. Yea he lost control of the 5 tails for a second, but that's hardly having a hard time controlling them.
 

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Well, he had total control when he summoned the Giant Monster because all the six bijuu's' chakra had been linked to that monster.
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

I don't believe Tobi is "madara uchiha"
I was watching back some episodes of naruto and
I spotted a lot of sketchy stuff.

[may have already been pointed out, apologize if it has]

Well episode of Naruto Shippuden 216, you can see the numerous
amount of uchiha eye's in the background.

This for some reason led me to believe that [somehow] tobi used
itachi to kill off the uchiha's as he wouldn't be able to do this himself.
We have been made full aware of how tobi can manage people's actions
just like he did to Nagato and currently somewhat to sasuke.
[however, this is only my speculations.]

I can't comprehend yet, since I've recently started wondering
who tobi is and will probably look into it soon, but this is just some
small things I gathered. Like I said might have already been pointed out.
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

An ability the Sage of the Six Paths had, referred to as "Creation of All Things" (万物創造, Banbutsu Sōzō). The process he used is explained to have initially involved the administration of imagination, and the spiritual energy which forms the basis of Yin chakra to create shape and form from nothingness. It is also said that the technique Izanagi is based on this technique.

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The Sage was said to have created materials from nothing using Izanagi. Izanagi was used with the Danzou vs Sasuke fight, but it permanently closes the eye sharingan after it has been used.

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If it does close the eye for good, why didn't the Sage's eyes close? What if the Rinnegan made it so he could use Izanagi without his eye closing?

Madara acquired the Rinnegan during his final fight with the First Hokage when he aquired his DNA. He is the only known person to acquire the eyes by developing his eyes beyond EMS.

The stone tablet belonging to the So6p - I think the secret to this was passed down by the sage's older son, secretly to the Uchiha as he was bitter about not becoming his father's successor. His dojutsu, whether it is the rinnegan or a slight variation, should've been able to read the tablet because he directly inherited the Sage's eyes. The early ancestors of the Uchiha clan learned top secret details about how combining Senju and Uchiha DNA resulted in the formation of the Rinnegan. Many Uchiha leaders may've tried in vain to gain Senju's DNA but they were defeated everytime. Until Madara finally obtained some, albeit losing to Hashirama in the process.

Now for the interesting part:

Tobi is an Izanagi creation, made by Madara in his last moments so he could be later revived to finish his work. He is part Zetsu, the Zetsu part making up his inanimate body. Tobi describes himself as being a 'shadow of his former self', possibly explained by the fact Madara was in such a weakened state when he created him and over time, as his master was dead, his power waned.

I believe Madara couldn't use Izanagi to prevent his death as I believe it's not simply a 'one off' technique; eventually he would need to re-use Izanagi to save himself from being gripped by death once again and I don't believe he had the required strength to keep this going; he had life threatening injuries and was too weak to put this kind of cycle in place.

I think only the So6p was strong enough to use it as a one off technique; which is why when danzo or Tobi use Izanagi they don't remain 'invincible for a long time'; the process must be repeated everytime a new attack hits them.

But before he passed away he had to find out a way for himself to be revived. He was severly wounded from his fight with Hashirama after all. Tobi probably didn't have enough chakra to use the rinnegan at that time, because Madara used up the little Hasirama DNA he had.

Madara felt it was more efficient to be brought back using rinne tensei at full power, full health and under no-ones control (unlike edo tensei). So Tobi was necessary in order to keep the plan in motion and ensure Nagato did his duty whilst Madara was dead.

1. So they scout for possible candidates to host Madara's rinnegan so that he could be revived using rinne tensei.
This person must have high chakra (Nagato, being Uzumaki and everyhting) because the rinnegan uses up so much of it.

2. No-one affiliated with Konoha, once again Nagato so that he would be willing to go through with the plan. Moreover he would be easily persuaded and I would even bet that Madara or Tobi had something to do with those Konoha ninja's killing Nagato's parents.

After all:
Tobi says 'he is nobody'; Have you ever thought he was actually telling the truth?

Nagato betray's Tobi using rinne tensei on Konoha when it was supposed to be used 'for his purposes'.....etc.

The main point here is that I believe Tobi is an Izanagi creation with a white zetsu body. He is devoted to his master, claiming to be no-one and only interested in the completion of the moon's eye plan. I also think being created using Izanagi, Madara created Tobi's memories and personality, possibly the reason Tobi knows so much is because these are Madara's memories, Madara's emotions.

Quote from Tobi
"Legend has it that Uchiha Madara was bested by Senju Hashirama...but is the legend true? The true winner is he who chose to focus on the future" = Obtaining the rinnegan and subsequently the completion of Moon's eye plan.

Anyways, what do you guys think?
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

An ability the Sage of the Six Paths had, referred to as "Creation of All Things" (万物創造, Banbutsu Sōzō). The process he used is explained to have initially involved the administration of imagination, and the spiritual energy which forms the basis of Yin chakra to create shape and form from nothingness. It is also said that the technique Izanagi is based on this technique.

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The Sage was said to have created materials from nothing using Izanagi. Izanagi was used with the Danzou vs Sasuke fight, but it permanently closes the eye sharingan after it has been used.

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If it does close the eye for good, why didn't the Sage's eyes close? What if the Rinnegan made it so he could use Izanagi without his eye closing?

Madara acquired the Rinnegan during his final fight with the First Hokage when he aquired his DNA. He is the only known person to acquire the eyes by developing his eyes beyond EMS.

The stone tablet belonging to the So6p - I think the secret to this was passed down by the sage's older son, secretly to the Uchiha as he was bitter about not becoming his father's successor. His dojutsu, whether it is the rinnegan or a slight variation, should've been able to read the tablet because he directly inherited the Sage's eyes. The early ancestors of the Uchiha clan learned top secret details about how combining Senju and Uchiha DNA resulted in the formation of the Rinnegan. Many Uchiha leaders may've tried in vain to gain Senju's DNA but they were defeated everytime. Until Madara finally obtained some, albeit losing to Hashirama in the process.

Now for the interesting part:

Tobi is an Izanagi creation, made by Madara in his last moments so he could be later revived to finish his work. He is part Zetsu, the Zetsu part making up his inanimate body. Tobi describes himself as being a 'shadow of his former self', possibly explained by the fact Madara was in such a weakened state when he created him and over time, as his master was dead, his power waned.

I believe Madara couldn't use Izanagi to prevent his death as I believe it's not simply a 'one off' technique; eventually he would need to re-use Izanagi to save himself from being gripped by death once again and I don't believe he had the required strength to keep this going; he had life threatening injuries and was too weak to put this kind of cycle in place.

I think only the So6p was strong enough to use it as a one off technique; which is why when danzo or Tobi use Izanagi they don't remain 'invincible for a long time'; the process must be repeated everytime a new attack hits them.

But before he passed away he had to find out a way for himself to be revived. He was severly wounded from his fight with Hashirama after all. Tobi probably didn't have enough chakra to use the rinnegan at that time, because Madara used up the little Hasirama DNA he had.

Madara felt it was more efficient to be brought back using rinne tensei at full power, full health and under no-ones control (unlike edo tensei). So Tobi was necessary in order to keep the plan in motion and ensure Nagato did his duty whilst Madara was dead.

1. So they scout for possible candidates to host Madara's rinnegan so that he could be revived using rinne tensei.
This person must have high chakra (Nagato, being Uzumaki and everyhting) because the rinnegan uses up so much of it.

2. No-one affiliated with Konoha, once again Nagato so that he would be willing to go through with the plan. Moreover he would be easily persuaded and I would even bet that Madara or Tobi had something to do with those Konoha ninja's killing Nagato's parents.

After all:
Tobi says 'he is nobody'; Have you ever thought he was actually telling the truth?

Nagato betray's Tobi using rinne tensei on Konoha when it was supposed to be used 'for his purposes'.....etc.

The main point here is that I believe Tobi is an Izanagi creation with a white zetsu body. He is devoted to his master, claiming to be no-one and only interested in the completion of the moon's eye plan. I also think being created using Izanagi, Madara created Tobi's memories and personality, possibly the reason Tobi knows so much is because these are Madara's memories, Madara's emotions.

Quote from Tobi
"Legend has it that Uchiha Madara was bested by Senju Hashirama...but is the legend true? The true winner is he who chose to focus on the future" = Obtaining the rinnegan and subsequently the completion of Moon's eye plan.

Anyways, what do you guys think?
Whose MS power is the one that uses Tobi currently?

Whose sharingan at that time could possible be capable of awakening MS?

Izanagi is one way of creating an ultimate illusion. For the briefest of moment he can turn any personal damage into a dream. It's only used on one's self. Tobi is not an izinagi creation

Nor uchiha madara is the sage of the six path. He might be descendant of the older son of the sage of the six path which was given the power of vision. This doesn't mean that the older son would be able to create lasting creations like the sage of the six path did. I also don't believe that harishima had the power of "life force and physical energy". Harishima had the physical energy but the uzumaki clan had both life force and physical energy since they lived a very long life. They were able to keep as big as the nine tail demon fox suppressed in their bodies = physical energy.

Madara uchiha didn't purposely lose the battle against the first hokage either. If the first hokage would have been defeated by madara, madara would have had complete control over the hidden leaf village. At that moment, everyone including the uchiha clan relied on the first hokage and thought of him as the greatest of them. This would have made things a lot easier for madara to complete his plans faster. With full control of the hidden leaf village, madara would have gotten back the rest of the tailed beast. He would have had the control of the nine tail demon fox and he would have had the complete original body of the first hokage and not just a portion.

Since madara wasn't going to be able to defeat the first hokage, it was enough for him to get just a portion of the first hokage's cell and delay his plans by a larger margin
 
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

i have read a few threads that state that tobi is madara qnd that he is tried to resurrection himself. going with that read this.
mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v48/c453/17.html
note that what tobi said.
"i can't believe nagato used his rinne tensei like that. it's supposed to be for me ... what a betrayal."
that lead me to believe that tobi is madara or piece of madara imagination come life.
your thoughts people.
 

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Re: ‡‡ Official Title slides/Banner Request Thread ‡‡

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Colorful
Text: Dr. Richtofen
Details: Can it fade from Green to Black and have a background similar to the one displayed. Each word the first letter boxed like the one displayed.
 

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Re: ‡‡ Official Title slides/Banner Request Thread ‡‡

Character slide:
Character:Minato Namikaze
Render [if any]:
You must be registered for see images
Details: Just have his name in it
Color Scheme: you choose, you are awesome
Animation [Yes/no]: No

Regular
Text: Jellal, King Of Parties
Color Scheme: ur awesome, figure it out
Details: nothing

Can you merge both for me.
 

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Who Tobi and who is an Uchiha

I say that Tobi either Kagami Or sasuke dad that what i think they both hard to say because first of all obito had no no meaning to attack the leaf because he was mad plz the leaf didn't do him anything plus didn't say he other half of his body was crush they show well that he has other side of his face.


How i know an uchiha it because he said need two uchiha and senju blood every one say that white zeust has first hokage cell and black zeust have madara cell well i think tobi wouldn't need madara cell becuase has to be a true uchiha to even use Izangi even Kakshi can't use if he has first hokage cell
 
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