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[Ryuu..]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

You still dont get it. Izanagi only turns reality into illusions in a matter of seconds. Meaning once its been used and you come back to life, thats the technique ended. You are alive again. If you were killed, youd have to use it again and again and again and thats what danzo kept on doing, until he run out of eyes

Yes, you misunderstood me, wears off as in the next time sasuke attacks him he has to use Inzanagi. And the next time.....I meant wear off as in once he used Izanagi it wouldn't last forever and if Sasuke was to attack him again the effect of Izanagi wouldn't save Danzo's life unless he sacrificed another sharingan to use the technique.

 

[JojocIaw]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Nice theory on Tobi ever. I shall add it to my thread.

 

[Photon]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

but why wouldnt he of jjust used inzanagi to live insstead of creating toby but it is a good theory rep+

 

[Imm0rtal bAstard]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

This is the best theory I've ever seen! Everything matches perfectly.

That's why Tobi is made out of Zetsu tissue. Madara needed the Senju DNA to create the form and izanagi tech for the soul. That's why the white Zetsu are like zombies and I think the black Zetsu controls them (he's the brains) cause he's the Yin part. Tobi also has both of them which makes him in fact a shadowy recreation of SO6P. It all makes sense now. Maybe Madara was planning to merge with Tobi after he was revived?

I'll + you. Very nice theory indeed.

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Thanks guys, I think the theory is really solid aswell xd

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

Izanagi uses the same principle as creation of all things, just at a lesser extent. Thus, a technique with the power to turn imagination into reality was born, known as Izanagi. Meaning, it can be used to create things

No, it can't. Izanagi is just a genjutsu, while CoAT is SO6P's jutsu that could only be used by Juubi's jinchuurikki.

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

No, it can't. Izanagi is just a genjutsu, while CoAT is SO6P's jutsu that could only be used by Juubi's jinchuurikki.

Yes it's a genjutsu, however:

"Then, through the application of vitality, and the physical energy which forms the basis of Yang chakra, he would breathe life into the prior form (Creation of all things). The sage used this ability to split the Ten-Tails into nine tailed beasts. It is also said that the technique Izanagi is based on this technique."

 

[Nova89]

Re: BIG Problem with Inzanagi! - Tobi's true Identity?

the sages technique creation of all things is different to izanagi thats why he didnt lose his eye.

like the theory on tobi being created by madara. +rep

 

[toadvenom]

Clue in 572 to Tobi's Identity?

Chapter 572 contained some important information that could provide a new of looking at who Tobi is.

I'll begin with the all important quote:

Sage of the Six Paths: "And unlike when you were within me, you will be lead down the right path, when the time comes, for you to know what true power is."

We've seen this theme before: "true power" is the will of fire, that is, power which comes from wanting to protect those you love. (this is what Naruto embodies).

The other power is the "untrue power", this is the power attained through hatred or arrogance. (this is what Sasuke embodies)

Now, the object of power in the manga has always been to achieve peace, even for the bad guys. Nagato wanted peace by inflicting pain on everyone, Madara wanted a peace where he was in power, and Tobi's idea of a lasting peace is by turning everyone into 1 with him. The villians are evil but in the end they all want some twisted version of an end to wars.

The break in philosophy about peace occurred, as we know, with the Sage's two sons. The oldest believed peace came through power, and the youngest believed peace came through love. We also know that the Sage chose his younger son as his successor because he agreed with peace through love.

But in 572 we learn for the first time that the Sage didn't always believe in peace through love. If he did, why would he express regret over the path he chose to the Bijuu? Something convinced him in the end.This means that at some point he favored the methods of his eldest son. Something changed his mind.

This would be a doubly painful thing for the eldest son. Its one thing to see it coming, but its another when your father did things your way and all of a sudden switched his mind over to the peace through love philosophy.


I really think Tobi could be the Sage's eldest son. He is bitter about his dad switching sides and wants to prove that he was right all along.

 

[silbersteven]

Re: Clue in 572 to Tobi's Identity?

i could completely see it. He knows the history of both senju and uchiha, he talked about the sage like he even knew him. I like it, cant wait to find out!

 

[Strata Uchiha]

Re: Clue in 572 to Tobi's Identity?

It's an interesting theory dude. It really is, however, lets go back to the Sixth Coffin.

Why would the Sage's Eldest son shake in his boots about Madara Uchiha? If I was the Sage's son, I could care less as to who was in the coffin.

 

[kuramaitachdara]

Re: Clue in 572 to Tobi's Identity?

Yeah that's sort of what I was subconsciously thinking xD

 

[Gary777]

Re: Clue in 572 to Tobi's Identity?

yes may be !! but how did young son die then ? he could also been alive
but tobi looks like he serves madara and his purposes to a great extent

 

[KAGE RYUU]

Re: Clue in 572 to Tobi's Identity?

how would the sages son still be alive that is jus retarded

 

[kuramaitachdara]

Re: Clue in 572 to Tobi's Identity?

It's an interesting theory dude. It really is, however, lets go back to the Sixth Coffin.

Why would the Sage's Eldest son shake in his boots about Madara Uchiha? If I was the Sage's son, I could care less as to who was in the coffin.

Maybe Madara has gotten closer to Sage than anyone before? The only thing he lacks is bijuu. Tho his chakra was already said to be uniquely powerful.

 

[AirYeezy]

Re: Clue in 572 to Tobi's Identity?

kishi wouldnt lie to us its madara

 

[blood hound]

Re: Clue in 572 to Tobi's Identity?

Chapter 572 contained some important information that could provide a new of looking at who Tobi is.

I'll begin with the all important quote:

Sage of the Six Paths: "And unlike when you were within me, you will be lead down the right path, when the time comes, for you to know what true power is."

We've seen this theme before: "true power" is the will of fire, that is, power which comes from wanting to protect those you love. (this is what Naruto embodies).

The other power is the "untrue power", this is the power attained through hatred or arrogance. (this is what Sasuke embodies)

Now, the object of power in the manga has always been to achieve peace, even for the bad guys. Nagato wanted peace by inflicting pain on everyone, Madara wanted a peace where he was in power, and Tobi's idea of a lasting peace is by turning everyone into 1 with him. The villians are evil but in the end they all want some twisted version of an end to wars.

The break in philosophy about peace occurred, as we know, with the Sage's two sons. The oldest believed peace came through power, and the youngest believed peace came through love. We also know that the Sage chose his younger son as his successor because he agreed with peace through love.

But in 572 we learn for the first time that the Sage didn't always believe in peace through love. If he did, why would he express regret over the path he chose to the Bijuu? Something convinced him in the end.This means that at some point he favored the methods of his eldest son. Something changed his mind.

This would be a doubly painful thing for the eldest son. Its one thing to see it coming, but its another when your father did things your way and all of a sudden switched his mind over to the peace through love philosophy.


I really think Tobi could be the Sage's eldest son. He is bitter about his dad switching sides and wants to prove that he was right all along.

Dude that is a really good theroy and you never know it could be one really good twist..... Tobi wasn't shaking when kabuto showed madara..... He was just surprised that he was able to get his chakra.

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

Re: Clue in 572 to Tobi's Identity?

It's an interesting theory dude. It really is, however, lets go back to the Sixth Coffin.

Why would the Sage's Eldest son shake in his boots about Madara Uchiha? If I was the Sage's son, I could care less as to who was in the coffin.

because there is"power in a name"(thus the chapter name)
the reason why he was shook was because the war didnt start yet and it was going to mess up his plans if people knew he was madara...the reason he called himself madara was to draw attention and power to himself so that people would understand that he had "overwhelming power" and wouldnt try to trifle with him:

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thats why after he was like"im no one" cuz the war done started already

 

[shinobu sensui]

Re: Clue in 572 to Tobi's Identity?

It's an interesting theory dude. It really is, however, lets go back to the Sixth Coffin.

Why would the Sage's Eldest son shake in his boots about Madara Uchiha? If I was the Sage's son, I could care less as to who was in the coffin.

Because for some reason tobi is 'a shell of his former self' probaly because he doesn't have his eyes anymore. The only thing that makes me doubt that he is the elder son is the fact that he doesn't have the rinnegan sarringan hybrid that the eldest son had

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

Re: Clue in 572 to Tobi's Identity?

Chapter 572 contained some important information that could provide a new of looking at who Tobi is.

I'll begin with the all important quote:

Sage of the Six Paths: "And unlike when you were within me, you will be lead down the right path, when the time comes, for you to know what true power is."

We've seen this theme before: "true power" is the will of fire, that is, power which comes from wanting to protect those you love. (this is what Naruto embodies).

The other power is the "untrue power", this is the power attained through hatred or arrogance. (this is what Sasuke embodies)

Now, the object of power in the manga has always been to achieve peace, even for the bad guys. Nagato wanted peace by inflicting pain on everyone, Madara wanted a peace where he was in power, and Tobi's idea of a lasting peace is by turning everyone into 1 with him. The villians are evil but in the end they all want some twisted version of an end to wars.

The break in philosophy about peace occurred, as we know, with the Sage's two sons. The oldest believed peace came through power, and the youngest believed peace came through love. We also know that the Sage chose his younger son as his successor because he agreed with peace through love.

But in 572 we learn for the first time that the Sage didn't always believe in peace through love. If he did, why would he express regret over the path he chose to the Bijuu? Something convinced him in the end.This means that at some point he favored the methods of his eldest son. Something changed his mind.

This would be a doubly painful thing for the eldest son. Its one thing to see it coming, but its another when your father did things your way and all of a sudden switched his mind over to the peace through love philosophy.


I really think Tobi could be the Sage's eldest son. He is bitter about his dad switching sides and wants to prove that he was right all along.

yea...i think one of the son's is him too...or madara's brother(but madara used the ems so that proves he took his brother's eye...) anyway i like this and to further push your idea....maybe the six path was one who wanted peace but did bad things to get it and maybe he did control the world at one point and realized that that wasnt the way to go and so chose the younger son to surpass him(its just a thought and a guess plz dont come at me wrong...im just saying kishi is one amazing plot-twister)everybody thought itachi and nagato and danzo and even tobi are bad...when there are actually good...just did bad things....tobi wats the world for himself XD