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Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

  • Total voters
    700
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Re: Tobi Is The Older Brother

it makes sense because the tailed beasts reincarnate if they are killed.
the 10 tails was supremely powerful and while it didnt die i can see this theory working in that context; a tiny bit of its chakra survives or separates from the 9 tailed beasts over time and becomes tobi...it would want to assume human form to remain inconspicuous. it took madaras name recently to cause chaos and confusion to hide its ultimate goal..




How can it be the 10-tails manifested into human form when the chakra was split up between all the tailed beast and the body is the moon? Doesnt make much sense. And Izuna is dead ffs. He gave his eyes then died in combat.
 

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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

i think that tobi is obito , this is why he was found by madra or either zetsu and using zetsu repaired the crushed side by infusing zetsu in . he took obito under his wing and educated him about the uchia the sage and all things because after all obito is an uchia . then he fought the forth but died sometime after . before he died he develop a plan to bring himself back by putting the rinnegan in a uzamaki (nagato) . thats how madra knows of nagato . so obito took his place and using zetsu went on and put the plan in affect.
 

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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

Im pretty sure its Izuna... Because I did a bit of reasearch and found an old picture of Tobi with his older mask. when I compared it the hairstyle to both Madara and Izuna it turned out closest to Izuna....
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By looking at these pictures I conclude that it is Izuna Uchiha - Madara's Brother.... If you looks closely enough u can see the similarities. The only difference now is that Izuna doesnt have his hair tied back....

Also I would like to point out that both Madara and Izuna are twins by the look of things.... Madara just has his hair let out loose and his brother has it tied up...

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What do you think?? Who is behind the mask???
If your theory is based on anime, it is already invalid.
You must find same scene pic from manga.
Never mind :) I found same looking pictures from manga
 
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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

lol @ the people who think that Tobi is Obito or Tobirama.

Tobi is obviously:
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Tobimaru - Gaara's Messenger Hawk
he's a cute hawk and he's the fusion of Tobirama and Orochimaru >>>>> SO6P​
 
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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

i think that tobi is obito , this is why he was found by madra or either zetsu and using zetsu repaired the crushed side by infusing zetsu in . he took obito under his wing and educated him about the uchia the sage and all things because after all obito is an uchia . then he fought the forth but died sometime after . before he died he develop a plan to bring himself back by putting the rinnegan in a uzamaki (nagato) . thats how madra knows of nagato . so obito took his place and using zetsu went on and put the plan in affect.
when tobi fought fu and torrine and the nanobugs infected tobi arm he ripped it off . wich uchia jutsu is that or is that jutsu from the grass.
 

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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

when tobi fought fu and torrine and the nanobugs infected tobi arm he ripped it off. wich uchia clan jutsu is that or is that a jutsu from the grass?
 

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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

My theory is that Tobi is Madara's younger brother Izuna.

first of all, when tobi was telling his story to sasuke, he squeezed his arm when saying that the younger son offerred his eyes. i'm guessing madara stole them from izuna by force, which led to resentment later on,bear with me.

now, if madara had taken izuna's ms and implanted them into himself to awaken ems, then proceeded to get the rinnegan, izuna can indeed consider those rinnegan as his.

madara knows nagato somehow, and it's confirmed he survived hashirama. so i think upon the brink of death, he awakened his rinnegan. now, madara, who had stolen hashirama's dna, was weak at the time, but around 70 years by my calculations, 30 or so years before the start of the series when nagato was a kid (ie hiruzen was 40, jiraiya and the sannin were 20 etc etc,slightly before the second world war). Madara, had already formulated his project tsuki no me, but being close to death, had no way of achieving it.

so, he used his last days to revive izuna, and give him his task, to implant his rinnegan into nagato, an uzumaki able to wield the rinnegan well due to his insane chakra levels, when the time was right. he also gave him licence to start collecting the bijuu.

so izuna, who was revived at his early 20s/30 i guess, did the first part of the plan. along the way, he used madara's stolen hashirama dna to create white zetsu, or maybe madara had done it beforehand, i don't know, it's still unclear. but izuna molded his body from that substance to improve his longevity, he's at least 60 years old now so he wants to improve that. maybe madara was unable to perform the rebirth technique correctly due to the big period between izuna's death and revival, so izuna was revived but not at his prime, i'm not sure.

now, izuna' intentions. i'm not sure that he ever planned to revive madara to begin with. he wanted to use nagato's creation rebirth for HIS benefit. imo this can be interpreted in two ways. no1. he is close to death and wants to be reborn at his prime, as he's a shell of his former self. in fact he might have a borrowed body, with no ms at all etc etc, only stolen sharingan. no2. he wanted to revive madara. but, this is clear, after nagato's death tobi decided to step up the plan. meaning he abandoned the notion of reviving madara, at least until sasuke could awaken his own rinnegan. instead he focused on completing the project tsuki no me first, and then make himself complete later on.

as to why tobi hid behind madara's name, it' becaue madara is an ideal, and brings much more fear than his forgotten brother or any other name tobi could wield. kabuto's revelation of the real madara shocked tobi because he doesn't think he's at his brother's level, and also because kabuto could scupper his plans of drawing out the shinobi nations, and the jinchuuriki, into a war. so after that he went to retrieve nagato's rinnegan and made kabuto's jinchuuriki his own, so that he could beat madara if kabuto betrayed him.
 
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Re: Tobis Identity 100 percent spoiler

I have a waaaay out there hypothesis for who Tobi is.

Now, bear with me, it will make (somewhat) more sense as you go down further.

Tobi is Sasuke.

Now, hear ME out: Lets imagine a past where Tobi mascarading as Madara never existed. Danzo enlisted Itachi to kill off the Uchiha. Without Tobi, Itachi does, but is fatally wounded. He still spares Sasuke, but Itachi is branded a traitor and the entire bloodline "cursed" in the eyes of the village. Sasuke grows up a pariah, as he is shunned by everyone. He probably resorts to childish pranks to get attention.

Enter Naruto. Without Tobi to summon the 9 tails, the 4th and Naruto's mother survive the pregnancy. Naruto, the son of the Yellow flash, grows up as an elite, beloved by the entire village. He probably becomes the love interest of Sakura, while prankish Sasuke is the nuisance. (Notice that Tobi early on was a prankster too)

Being the best and the worst of the class, they end up together in the same team. Naruto gets hurt against haku protecting Sasuke, and since the Kyuubi is still in his mother, he doesn't have the kyuubi chakra to help him out, Sasuke's sharingan awakens, and he somehow saves the day.

The deviations start to become apparent because Naruto probably dies against Gaara, which probably awakens the Mangekyo. Sasuke, losing possibly his only friend, goes willingly with Orochimaru and Kabuto, since Orochimaru wanted the Sharingan to begin with in both timelines.

Sasuke still beats Orochimaru, and with the mangekyo sharingan actually defeats him completely. Pressuring Kabuto, he finds the reconstructed dead soul body of Uchiha Madara, and takes his eyes, unknowingly taking the malignant wood type cells of the 1st hokage as well. He learns of the hidden room, and with Madara's eyes he also has a bit of Madara's chakra, so he can summon and control the 9 tails.

I imagine that Danzou's spies have alerted him to Sasuke's plan to destroy the leaf and come for Danzou, and Danzou wants his eyes anyway. My hypothesis is that Danzou beats the absolute hell out of that Sasuke, who resorts to the OTHER forbidden technique of the sharingan, Izanami. Izanagi undoes the effects of the present, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Izanami undoes the past. It hurtled Tobi into the past, probably a few decades.

Note that Izanami was used with just a normal sharingan. We have no idea what it's abilities are if used in mangekyo mode are.

I'm going to assume that Tobi wanted to raise an army against the leaf, initially, so he defected into the land of the hidden mist, even becoming the 4th Suikage. Or even just controlling him. If that is the case, then it would explain where he learned about the vast power of the tailed beasts.

However, being the kage of the country that sees countless war, Tobi lost the desire for revenge. He was weary of seeing people die, and he just wanted it to end.

Having lost one of his eyes due to the use of the Izanami, the nature of the sharingan changes where it affects space-time interactions in the present. Like Kakashi's eye.

He could have acquired another sharingan anywhere, though most likely was when he helped Itachi slaughter the Uchiha.

And then, after reading the information under the tatami mat, and learned about the ability to use the moon to induce permanent genjutsu. He, from his long life, is weary and not above using peoples emotions against them to just end it all.

He learns that the host of the 9 tails, the most powerful bijuu, is Naruto's mother, and she is giving birth soon. The act of stealing the Kyubi at that moment wasn't just because it was advantageous, he also wanted that elite a$$hole naruto to undrestand what true pain was, what it felt like to lose your entire family / clan, and be reviled by the entire village.

The rest is history.

THAT, is my hypothesis.

Ok, reasons why I believe this:

Tobi knew exactly how Sasuke would grow.
He showed up exactly when Itachi was about to slaughter the Uchiha. That is a heck of a coincidence.

The Kyubi telling Sasuke how much his eyes were like Madara's. As well as the Kyubi's cryptic message.

Tobi' strange fondness of Naruto at times seems nostalgic.

The way he knows things about Itachi that even surprise Itachi.

The fact that despite needing to collect the biju in order, he has Itachi and Kisame attack Naruto, knowing that Sasuke would intervene, fail, and then be more likely to follow Orochimaru, which he needed Sasuke to do to gain more power. And to eventually be rid of the curse seal.
This theory overall has low feasibility, possibility, and plausibility. Reason being: there are far too many loopholes, presumptions, and biased information in this "hypothesis." But don't worry, I won't judge your theory without giving you some assertion to these claims.

  • Firstly, regarding your first point — "Tobi (Sasuke) ultimately becoming a prankster due to the loss of his parents and entire clan" — the explanation you gave to this event is invalid because if you put the alternate timeline into consideration, Sasuke lost his clan and it didn't offset anything remotely close to this (same circumstances and all; Itachi successfully slaughtering the Uchiha Clan and abandoning the Leaf Village). Tobi not accompanying Itachi wouldn't trigger this due to the fact that there wouldn't be enough altered to invoke that clause and for a few other reasons.
Yeah, I'm just gonna stop there. I just reviewed and examined this entire post from the ground up and came to the conclusion that this isn't very likely at all. Don't get me wrong, the basis of the theory (Tobi being an alternate version of Sasuke) has some probability to it. But the hypothesis you presented is faulty at best and doesn't adequately support the theory in question.

Furthermore, a lot of other speculations and theories presented has more validity than this one. So this personally stands as the oddball out IMO. Based on the information given in your post, even Tobi being Obito is more likely than Sasuke being him.
 
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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

From reading many of the post and assuming the immense power of the EMS has as well as reading how the Uchiha eye power keeps evolving , I'd like to propose it is Izuna who may have been the first user of Kotoamatsukami, used it on his entire clan to fake his death.

This provides him to "lose" his eyes to Mandra withe the instruction - "when you are about to die, return to me what was mine"...

Just a theory - :)
 

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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

when tobi fought fu and torrine and the nanobugs infected tobi arm he ripped it off . wich uchia jutsu is that or is that jutsu from the grass.
does anyone besides me think that it is ironic that obito right side is crushed side and tobi ripped off right arm infected with nanobugs, he only showed the right eye,and towards the end of the war kakahshi just happen to show up when and where he did.
 
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what if the masked guy is right about when he said that he's nobody

What if the masked guy was right about when he said that he's nobody,the reason why i think he was right is because if you've seen dragonball z it is said that cell was a creation of doctor gero's using dna or cells from some of the most powerful fighters like goku,piccolo,frieza etc which meant that he had an ability from each of them and the way that doctor gero did this was by using some sort of flying machine that recorded the z fighters battles just like zetsu in naruto and not that long after, cell(doctor gero's creation) used trunks time machine to travel from the future to the past in order to achieve his perfect form which would be achieved by absorbing androids 17&18 which he did and he just like the masked guy in naruto wanted to be complete(perfect) and so i believe that either madara or even orochimaru who both are capable of conducting mysterious experiments for their own personal goals and we know that both orochimaru and madara were trying to unlock the secrets of the sage of six paths and what i'm trying to say is that either one of them or even someone else wanted to create the ultimate ninja and i believe that zetsu was created some time before tobi for the sole purpose of testing to see if it's possible to create a being that can use both uchiha and senju abilities thus possibly the reason why zetsu was created and the man behind the mask is possibly an ultimate ninja created using zetsus recordings of numerous battles and now wants to be complete and has created the akatsuki and used them to capture jinchurikis so the tailed beast can be extracted and not only that but tobi wants to become the jinchuriki to the jubi and has set out to steal nagatos rinnegan etc in order to be complete as he has said to naruto,kakashi and yamato. but who knows i could be wrong.
 
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