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[oO madara95 Oo]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

summoning Izuna if he was dead would be stupid. cos he would be blind and Kabuto needed to give him sharingan and so he would have only 3t-sharingan and nothing more. so no.

and why in hell is this guy still alive if he was Izuna? why doesnt he is all gray and almost dead? he must be like 100 years old.

and what with the zetsus? why does he use zetsuparts or the whole body of zetsu?

and finally: IF THIS IS IZUNA AND HE SAW HOW MADARA DIED OF OLD AGE, WHY DIDNT HE TAKE MADARAS RINNEGAN FOR HIMSELF AND TRAINED IT TO AWAKEN MADARA AGAIN? No Madara wanted Nagato to awaken him, why should he if his bro was alive?

Zetsu Was invented by Tobi..... Tobi is part zetsu so that he is imortal (Long living) and yeah thats a dumb argument Itachi was basicly blind yet summoned.

I expect Madara wasn't aware that Izuna was alive as he believed he died in battle, what im saying is that he didn't die in battle and when he heard that Mardara had died he planned to build the Akatsuki, select a pupil to take leadership postion and become the "Face" Of Akatsuki which was pein, and tobi claims he gave Pein the Rinnengan not Madara, Madara is somehow aware of pein though but thats a different theory all together

 

[FuutonNaruto]

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- Izuna was blind, which is a problem but as we know he has a Jar of sharigans and did you notice that 13 years before the massacre when he first fought minato we didn't see his sharingan eyes? I think this is due to the fact he was blind at the time and did not regain his eye sight until around the the Uchiha Massacre where he then transplanted them some from the other dead Uchiha's

Nice theory, but whit this one I'm not agreeing !
How could tobi(izuna in your theory) can still transporting himself all over konoha and right to minato?
everyone has seen in the manga and anime that tobi transport himself in his dimensions through his sharingan !
His body goes first and almost every time his eye goes last.. I say almost, there are scenes where its just his whole body at the same time.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

Zetsu Was invented by Tobi..... Tobi is part zetsu so that he is imortal (Long living) and yeah thats a dumb argument Itachi was basicly blind yet summoned.

I expect Madara wasn't aware that Izuna was alive as he believed he died in battle, what im saying is that he didn't die in battle and when he heard that Mardara had died he planned to build the Akatsuki, select a pupil to take leadership postion and become the "Face" Of Akatsuki which was pein, and tobi claims he gave Pein the Rinnengan not Madara, Madara is somehow aware of pein though but thats a different theory all together

Can you please answer mine. You said that he did not show his Sharingan but he clearly showed it when he took control of the fox.

 

[oO madara95 Oo]

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What nonsense,i cnt imagine izuna fighting ftg minato being blind.,dat iz a joke,
in my view he is older son of so6p because ths also make sense he knew abt sharingan technics and he also knew to control 9 tail demon fox.that is my view lol,evry1 has their own view,and abt name tobi it may be that the so6p older son was tobi..who knows..

Itachi fought Sasuke like 99% blind and Itachi lost.

Izuna Fought Minato 100% and Inzuna lost. Whats hard to believe?

My guess is that back then when he attacked konoha he was overwhelmed by Rage like Sasuke and rushed into his plan and he learned from his mistakes build the Akatsuki and finding a better way to mobilize his plan, which is now the Moon Eye Plan.

 

[itachiEMS]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

There are alread a lot of threads on it and i dont exactly get the hair thing but i dont think hes Izuna

 

[oO madara95 Oo]

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Can you please answer mine. You said that he did not show his Sharingan but he clearly showed it when he took control of the fox.

See thats what bugs me, He does show it at one point. But he never uses and Sharingan related moves in the might and they don't show it again. Im sorry i do not have a answer :/ Im not sure why Tobi never uses any Sharingan related Jutsu's or any Jutsu's apart from space-time :/

 

[itachiEMS]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

Itachi fought Sasuke like 99% blind and Itachi lost.

Izuna Fought Minato 100% and Inzuna lost. Whats hard to believe?

My guess is that back then when he attacked konoha he was overwhelmed by Rage like Sasuke and rushed into his plan and he learned from his mistakes build the Akatsuki and finding a better way to mobilize his plan, which is now the Moon Eye Plan.

firstly when itachi fought sasuke he had still atleast 40 percent of his eyesight and izuna fight minato who is using ftg without eyes yeah right:flaw:

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

See thats what bugs me, He does show it at one point. But he never uses and Sharingan related moves in the might and they don't show it again. Im sorry i do not have a answer :/ Im not sure why Tobi never uses any Sharingan related Jutsu's or any Jutsu's apart from space-time :/

Okay. That is good enough for me. Thanks.

 

[itachiEMS]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

See thats what bugs me, He does show it at one point. But he never uses and Sharingan related moves in the might and they don't show it again. Im sorry i do not have a answer :/ Im not sure why Tobi never uses any Sharingan related Jutsu's or any Jutsu's apart from space-time :/

if u dont have an answer why did you say he didnt have the eyes at all u have no proof

 

[oO madara95 Oo]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

- Izuna was blind, which is a problem but as we know he has a Jar of sharigans and did you notice that 13 years before the massacre when he first fought minato we didn't see his sharingan eyes? I think this is due to the fact he was blind at the time and did not regain his eye sight until around the the Uchiha Massacre where he then transplanted them some from the other dead Uchiha's

Nice theory, but whit this one I'm not agreeing !
How could tobi(izuna in your theory) can still transporting himself all over konoha and right to minato?
everyone has seen in the manga and anime that tobi transport himself in his dimensions through his sharingan !
His body goes first and almost every time his eye goes last.. I say almost, there are scenes where its just his whole body at the same time.

My Assumtion is that Izuna is well trained in Space-time thats not that unrealistic to be fair, Izuna was "Alive" Around the time of the 1st hokage whos younger brother was a master of space-time jutsu so it wouldn't be suprising if a few other people learned it aswell. Its like Narutos generation, Jirya learned Rasengan and then within like 2-5 years, Kakashi, Naruto and Konohamaro all learned it. So why can't izuna do the same with space-time

 

[-S-]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

yes, if izuna was summoned he would be blind XD

 

[oO madara95 Oo]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

if u dont have an answer why did you say he didnt have the eyes at all u have no proof

I don't have proof.... No one does thats why they are theories... if i had proof it wouldn't be a theory it would be a fact.

Im Just saying that Tobi might aswell be good as blind (Back then) as he never uses any eye related jutsu's or normal jutsu's

 

[itachiEMS]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

but tobis space time jutsu far surpasses tobiramas

 

[itachiEMS]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

I don't have proof.... No one does thats why they are theories... if i had proof it wouldn't be a theory it would be a fact.

Im Just saying that Tobi might aswell be good as blind (Back then) as he never uses any eye related jutsu's or normal jutsu's

i get what you are saying but even if he did have a three tomoe sharingan WHAT eye related jutsu would he on minato thats the thing im trying to point out

 

[oO madara95 Oo]

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yes, if izuna was summoned he would be blind XD

IMO I honestly think izuna would still be better that Sai's brother... even if hes blind. He was at one point like one of the top 3 shonobi below 1st hokage and Madara.. even when he was blind he went to battle it even says in the manga when sasuke is fighting itachi

 

[oO madara95 Oo]

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but tobis space time jutsu far surpasses tobiramas

And Naurto's Rasengan far surpasses Minato's whats your point?

 

[oO madara95 Oo]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

i get what you are saying but even if he did have a three tomoe sharingan WHAT eye related jutsu would he on minato thats the thing im trying to point out

Well i don't think jutsu's would be much bonus with a three tomeo but he would be able to read minato's movements better if its just a little bit. But Minato recongnized Tobi as madara and now that we know tobi isn't madara Izuna is his only real look alike to be fair.

 

[uzuchia kunal]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

Itachi fought Sasuke like 99% blind and Itachi lost.

Izuna Fought Minato 100% and Inzuna lost. Whats hard to believe?

My guess is that back then when he attacked konoha he was overwhelmed by Rage like Sasuke and rushed into his plan and he learned from his mistakes build the Akatsuki and finding a better way to mobilize his plan, which is now the Moon Eye Plan.

dude he was'nt 99%blind.even if he was stil he had sharingan to do susanoo and other tech,bt i thnk it iz imposible to do sharngan techs wthot sharingan.and also isnt dat tobi's tech whch make hm like smethng untouchable a sharingan tech and i thnk he was usng it against minato

 

[FuutonNaruto]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

My Assumtion is that Izuna is well trained in Space-time thats not that unrealistic to be fair, Izuna was "Alive" Around the time of the 1st hokage whos younger brother was a master of space-time jutsu so it wouldn't be suprising if a few other people learned it aswell. Its like Narutos generation, Jirya learned Rasengan and then within like 2-5 years, Kakashi, Naruto and Konohamaro all learned it. So why can't izuna do the same with space-time

I think for that sort of space time tech you need the sharingan, just like uchiha shisui could ! so it could be izuna but izuna was blind as you stated , but from where got izuna the sharingan then?? danzo had one eye of shisui and itachi . obito's other eye was crushed and kakashi has the other one. I like your theory that's its izuna, and it would be great if he was izuna.. But their are still to many questions about tobi that has te be answered before we know who tobi really is !
So for now, we call him just tobi.. hate the name though , for a villain his name sucks !

 

[itachiEMS]

Re: A possible identity to Tobi.

Well i don't think jutsu's would be much bonus with a three tomeo but he would be able to read minato's movements better if its just a little bit. But Minato recongnized Tobi as madara and now that we know tobi isn't madara Izuna is his only real look alike to be fair.

firstly u cant know if he read them well or not cause minato was using the ftg so the sharingan wont see the teleportations
secondly tobi never took off the mask he only stated that he was madara so thats why minato passed on the same thing also because tobis powers are on another level