[Theory] Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

[Erzo]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

we don't know, but there's a possibility - he does belong to the hidden leaf. and besides, the point is that 'he is not' an uchiha

Lol It doesnt matter if he belongs to the hidden leaf, that doesn't make him a senju..

But I agree with your other point that Tobi might not be a uchiha but don't usee the kakashi is a senju as some sort of evidence as it makes your theory look bad.

 

[-S-]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

Lol It doesnt matter if he belongs to the hidden leaf, that doesn't make him a senju..

But I agree with your other point that Tobi might not be a uchiha but don't usee the kakashi is a senju as some sort of evidence as it makes your theory look bad.

lawl don't u understand!! Kakashi *is not an uchiha*, that's the point, he may be a senju slightly, but he is not an uchiha

 

[-The Agent-]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

i said blood, naruto has senju blood - no? He is a descendant of Mito Uzumaki who was married to Hashirama - no?

Just because they are in the same clan doesn't make them directly related. Naruto has no senju blood in him. He is half uzumaki and half namikaze...

Naruto does not have senju blood. Neither does Kakashi. Like I said the last person is Tsunade...

 

[-S-]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

Just because they are in the same clan doesn't make them directly related. Naruto has no senju blood in him. He is half uzumaki and half namikaze...

Naruto does not have senju blood. Neither does Kakashi. Like I said the last person is Tsunade...

This 'last senju' sounds like one of your fanfic fantasy's, the fact is genes from the 1st have been passed down to naruto through the uzumakis

wth, this isn't even the point of this thread

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[Phoenix Sage]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

Firstly it was as clear as day that tobi isnt a senju.

Secondly his s/t tech is not the same as kakashi's kamui

Not the same but you have to admit they are similar. Tobi is most definitely an OLD MAN, he has most likely had years to perfect his technique; whereas Kakashi has not.

We do not know of any other s/t technique that utlizes an eye to activate the dimensional transfer.

IMO both Kakashi and Tobi posses the same technique and the difference is in the skill of the user. Everything Tobi absorbs goes into his eye right?

 

[-S-]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

Not the same but you have to admit they are similar. Tobi is most definitely an OLD MAN, he has most likely had years to perfect his technique; whereas Kakashi has not.

We do not know of any other s/t technique that utlizes an eye to activate the dimensional transfer.

IMO both Kakashi and Tobi posses the same technique and the difference is in the skill of the user. Everything Tobi absorbs goes into his eye right?

thank you man!!

 

[-The Agent-]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

This 'last senju' sounds like one of your fanfic fantasy's, the fact is genes from the 1st have been passed down to naruto through the uzumakis

wth, this isn't even the point of this thread

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You show a page that does NOT prove your point.

Tobi says the will of fire of the senju is within him, the will of fire was in Jiraiya, Asuma, Hiruzen we all know they aren't Senju's either. Your theory is a fail, your thread is a fail. Kakashi is a Hatake not a Senju. Although your thread title is correct.

 

[-S-]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

You show a page that does NOT prove your point.

Tobi says the will of fire of the senju is within him, the will of fire was in Jiraiya, Asuma, Hiruzen we all know they aren't Senju's either. Your theory is a fail, your thread is a fail. Kakashi is a Hatake not a Senju. Although your thread title is correct.

yes so what? It's called speculation mate -_-, if you don't understand he concepts of 'speculation' i advise you not to visit 'theory threads' mate

 

[Phoenix Sage]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

You show a page that does NOT prove your point.

Tobi says the will of fire of the senju is within him, the will of fire was in Jiraiya, Asuma, Hiruzen we all know they aren't Senju's either. Your theory is a fail, your thread is a fail. Kakashi is a Hatake not a Senju. Although your thread title is correct.

So what do you think of Kakashi's Kamui being the same or similar to Tobi's s/t?

Worth talking about?

 

[-The Agent-]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

yes so what? It's called speculation mate -_-, if you don't understand he concepts of 'speculation' i advise you not to visit 'theory threads' mate

I know and understand what speculation is, but your "theory" or "speculation" makes no sense, and I'm here telling you why. Kakashi is not a senju. Tobi would be more of an Uchiha than a Senju.

 

[-The Agent-]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

So what do you think of Kakashi's Kamui being the same or similar to Tobi's s/t?

Worth talking about?

ALL Space time techniques are similar because... It involves the same thing, the manipulation of time and space.They are each still different in their own respective way.

Tobi needs to touch his opponent with his right arm to warp them into his own dimension, his eye allows himself to become intangible, as well as transport other people to this dimension.


Kakashi's only has one purpose. To warp objects.

Similar but that does not make them related...

 

[Phoenix Sage]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

I believe the purpose of the thread is to prove that Tobi is neither Uchiha or Senju; and like Kakashi, still utilizes the sharingan in a way that produces s/t migration.

Both posses a three tomoe sharingan that is NEVER deactivated. As we saw with Danzo, ALL sharingan are activated if the wielder is not the original owner of the eyes.

In conclusion, Tobi is not an uchiha on the basis that his sharingan is never deactivated and his s/t is similar or the same as kakashi's kamui

 

[NarutoKage2]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

So because Kamui SEEMS similar to Tobi's warping, Tobi is a senju....?

Yeah.................riiiigghht.

By the by, no senju i know of would ever really try to wreck the village which his clan both founded and ruled, where the 1st two kages were both Senju.

No senju would ever champion the uchiha the way that Tobi has, no senju would, despite having inherited the will of fire , follow the way of might to achieve peace, the way of the elder son who was the 1st uchiha not the way of the younger who was a senju.

No senju would constantly harp on about the power of his eyes, which are'nt in his blood.
And sure as f'uck no senju would declare 'the fire of the senju ends tomorrow'(quoted by Tobi) .

So no, Tobi is'nt a Senju, just edit your 1st post, the title is just fine.

 

[Phoenix Sage]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

ALL Space time techniques are similar because... It involves the same thing, the manipulation of time and space.They are each still different in their own respective way.

Tobi needs to touch his opponent with his right arm to warp them into his own dimension, his eye allows himself to become intangible, as well as transport other people to this dimension.


Kakashi's only has one purpose. To warp objects.

Similar but that does not make them related...

Hmm. Tell me what other s/t tech that we know of is remotely close to tobi's.

FTG-No Requires a special seal
Summoning-Also requires a seal and usually blood


We know that Tobi touching Naruto is for one of two purposes:

Human Path
Dimensional Transfer

It is much more difficult to transfer any object into a moving dimension if the object is moving. It bodes well for Tobi to grab firm grip then utilize his Sharingan for the transfer.

During the battle with Konan he switched from absorbing the attack to phasing through it:

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This suggests that the act of physically touching the object being absorbed is more insurance than a requirement for the technique. We have seen many links showing tobi physically touching ninjas to absorb them, but no one suggested that it might be a ploy to add stability to the object being absorbed. Tobi could absorb an explosion, which is not a physical object that is touched, but is a force upon Tobi that can be absorbed.

Tobi has the advantage of tangibility. THIS IS THE REAL MYSTERY.

 

[-The Agent-]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

I believe the purpose of the thread is to prove that Tobi is neither Uchiha or Senju; and like Kakashi, still utilizes the sharingan in a way that produces s/t migration.

Both posses a three tomoe sharingan that is NEVER deactivated. As we saw with Danzo, ALL sharingan are activated if the wielder is not the original owner of the eyes.

In conclusion, Tobi is not an uchiha on the basis that his sharingan is never deactivated and his s/t is similar or the same as kakashi's kamui

Itachi never deactivated his Sharingan until he was close to death. That must mean he's not an Uchiha either according to your logic.

If that was the case Tobi would have had both eyes covered since it will constantly drain his chakra. Danzo, Kakashi, Ao, all have their dojutsu covered because it drains chakra when being used...

But Tobi still has an Eye hole that does not cover his sharingan. if he was not a Uchiha wouldn't he HAVE to cover that up too?

 

[Phoenix Sage]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

So because Kamui SEEMS similar to Tobi's warping, Tobi is a senju....?

Yeah.................riiiigghht.

By the by, no senju i know of would ever really try to wreck the village which his clan both founded and ruled, where the 1st two kages were both Senju.

No senju would ever champion the uchiha the way that Tobi has, no senju would, despite having inherited the will of fire , follow the way of might to achieve peace, the way of the elder son who was the 1st uchiha not the way of the younger who was a senju.

No senju would constantly harp on about the power of his eyes, which are'nt in his blood.
And sure as f'uck no senju would declare 'the fire of the senju ends tomorrow'(quoted by Tobi) .

So no, Tobi is'nt a Senju, just edit your 1st post, the title is just fine.

Tobi isnt Senju and Kakashi isn't Uchiha. The point is that they both aren't uchiha and posses the same/similar tech that is activated by Sharingan.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

Tobi isnt Senju and Kakashi isn't Uchiha. The point is that they both aren't uchiha and posses the same/similar tech that is activated by Sharingan.

Not what the OP said.

And that's also unlikely, make a thread and i'll prove why.

 

[-The Agent-]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

Hmm. Tell me what other s/t tech that we know of is remotely close to tobi's.

FTG-No Requires a special seal
Summoning-Also requires a seal and usually blood


We know that Tobi touching Naruto is for one of two purposes:

Human Path
Dimensional Transfer

It is much more difficult to transfer any object into a moving dimension if the object is moving. It bodes well for Tobi to grab firm grip then utilize his Sharingan for the transfer.

During the battle with Konan he switched from absorbing the attack to phasing through it:

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This suggests that the act of physically touching the object being absorbed is more insurance than a requirement for the technique. We have seen many links showing tobi physically touching ninjas to absorb them, but no one suggested that it might be a ploy to add stability to the object being absorbed. Tobi could absorb an explosion, which is not a physical object that is touched, but is a force upon Tobi that can be absorbed.

Tobi has the advantage of tangibility. THIS IS THE REAL MYSTERY.

Did you read my posts? I said they they are similar because they both manipulate space time with their eyes but that's about it...

You also actually proved my point. To warp something in another dimension Tobi has to touch them. But to phase through or absorb an attack he does not need to do that...

Anyways, I never said they were completely different. I just said the correlation of Tobi and Kakashi being Senju's because of their space time related techniques is ludicrous.

 

[Phoenix Sage]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

Itachi never deactivated his Sharingan until he was close to death. That must mean he's not an Uchiha either according to your logic.

If that was the case Tobi would have had both eyes covered since it will constantly drain his chakra. Danzo, Kakashi, Ao, all have their dojutsu covered because it drains chakra when being used...

But Tobi still has an Eye hole that does not cover his sharingan. if he was not a Uchiha wouldn't he HAVE to cover that up too?

In the case of the sharingan it must always be uncovered when it is being activated. Danzo practically locked his sharingan and Hashirama arm away until prepared to activate izanagi. Ao posses the byakugan which is more a sensor doujutsu than visual acuity enhancer. It creates a 360 visual field and can see chakra at great distances.

Tobi is prepared to abosorb himself or objects at all times as his method of transportation.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Re: Tobi isn't a Senju

In the case of the sharingan it must always be uncovered when it is being activated. Danzo practically locked his sharingan and Hashirama arm away until prepared to activate izanagi. Ao posses the byakugan which is more a sensor doujutsu than visual acuity enhancer. It creates a 360 visual field and can see chakra at great distances.

Tobi is prepared to abosorb himself or objects at all times as his method of transportation.

And how does any of that support your point?

At some point, Tobi would HAVE to cover his sharingan if he were a non uchiha. Every non uchiha with sharingan or even non hyuuga with byakugan, had a cloth , headband or eye to keep their eye covered while Tobi had nothing.

And no non uchiha can be fathomed to control the Kyuubi with sharingan plus activate a power of the sharingan(teleportation) which even pure blood uchihas failed to do