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Re: tobi who is he
we dont know who or what he is but people have made alot of theories and Welcome to NB
we dont know who or what he is but people have made alot of theories and Welcome to NB
Re: tobi who is he
Welcome to NB. I don't think anyone at all could draw a conclusion on who he really is since their is many clues on why he could be several different people. I think this was done on purpose to make sure we couldn't suspect a direct character. That's why there are so many disagreements.
Welcome to NB. I don't think anyone at all could draw a conclusion on who he really is since their is many clues on why he could be several different people. I think this was done on purpose to make sure we couldn't suspect a direct character. That's why there are so many disagreements.
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Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique
^ Madara probably used that tech. on Izuna to revive him, and then afterwards he gave him his eyes. Then died.
Madara unlocked the Rinnegan after his battle with The First Hokage. So, one can conclude that he read what was on the Uchiha Tablet left by The Sage of Six Paths, and it probably told him about the ability to bring people back to life.
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^ Madara probably used that tech. on Izuna to revive him, and then afterwards he gave him his eyes. Then died.
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Re: What if tobi was the one who killed madara and took the reningen from him
would explain alot. im almost positive tobi isnt madara after reading the recent manga.
would explain alot. im almost positive tobi isnt madara after reading the recent manga.
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Re: What if tobi was the one who killed madara and took the reningen from him
Doubt it. Tobi couldn't even stop Minato I'm doubting he could stop EMS Madara.
Doubt it. Tobi couldn't even stop Minato I'm doubting he could stop EMS Madara.
Re: What if tobi was the one who killed madara and took the reningen from him
but remember that kabuto told madara that tobi may be deviating from the plan, they were working together.
and madara said, "do you know our plan as well".
but remember that kabuto told madara that tobi may be deviating from the plan, they were working together.
and madara said, "do you know our plan as well".
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Naruto 560 page 2
He would'nt say 'his' doing if he were referring to himself.
This to silence those who still said he's Madara after the last chapter.[/QUOTE]
^This
Thank you for proving why Tobi is not Madara.
Madara is obviously refering to someone he made this plan with and said plan is not being executed as expected.
Naruto 562 pg 4 Edo-Madara refers to the Infinite Tsukuyomi which sound/looks familiar to Tobi's Project Tsuki no Me (or something similar to that-he tells the Kages at the five kage summit Naruto 467 pgs 8-9.)
I am just saying the real Madara was planning with Tobi since the beginning.
Tobi states he fought the battle with Hashirama to focus on the future and obtained a portion of his power to create Izanagi (Naruto 510 pg 12)
Edo Madara states that he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death (Naruto 560 pg 15) which was after he fought Hashirama (how long after the fight did Madara actually live is unknown).
I believe all this supports the theory that Izuna Uchiha is Tobi. The two brothers had planned everything together. Izuna voluntarily gave his eyes to Madara to unlock the EMS and later battle with Hashirama to obtain the Rinnegan. Izuna could have easly obtained another set of sharingan. (this also provides motivation to assist Itachi with the slaying of the Uchiha clan-which most likely produced the plethora of fresh sets of sharingan we see at one point we see. Tobi's sharingan is always active which is characteristic of someone borrowing a sharingan. What says that just because you are an Uchiha doesn't mean you are not subject to the same change when the sharingan is borrowed?).
Madara having activated the Rinnegan, Izuna still alive, takes the Rinnegan after Madara dies and implants them into an Uzumaki (Nagato). Nagato never had the sharingan so it had to be inherited and it wasn't till he was just a kid till it had activated in its new vessel (forcibly by witnessing death).
Just as Tobi's and Kakashi's sharingan-Nagato's Rinnegan is always activated.
Naruto 562 page 2 shows a flashback of young Oonoki, Muu, and Madara. If madara and Oonoki were alive toghether and Oonoki is alive now, why couldn't Izuna Uchiha be alive and old as well.
tell me what you think
Naruto 560 page 2
He would'nt say 'his' doing if he were referring to himself.
This to silence those who still said he's Madara after the last chapter.[/QUOTE]
^This
Thank you for proving why Tobi is not Madara.
Madara is obviously refering to someone he made this plan with and said plan is not being executed as expected.
Naruto 562 pg 4 Edo-Madara refers to the Infinite Tsukuyomi which sound/looks familiar to Tobi's Project Tsuki no Me (or something similar to that-he tells the Kages at the five kage summit Naruto 467 pgs 8-9.)
I am just saying the real Madara was planning with Tobi since the beginning.
Tobi states he fought the battle with Hashirama to focus on the future and obtained a portion of his power to create Izanagi (Naruto 510 pg 12)
Edo Madara states that he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death (Naruto 560 pg 15) which was after he fought Hashirama (how long after the fight did Madara actually live is unknown).
I believe all this supports the theory that Izuna Uchiha is Tobi. The two brothers had planned everything together. Izuna voluntarily gave his eyes to Madara to unlock the EMS and later battle with Hashirama to obtain the Rinnegan. Izuna could have easly obtained another set of sharingan. (this also provides motivation to assist Itachi with the slaying of the Uchiha clan-which most likely produced the plethora of fresh sets of sharingan we see at one point we see. Tobi's sharingan is always active which is characteristic of someone borrowing a sharingan. What says that just because you are an Uchiha doesn't mean you are not subject to the same change when the sharingan is borrowed?).
Madara having activated the Rinnegan, Izuna still alive, takes the Rinnegan after Madara dies and implants them into an Uzumaki (Nagato). Nagato never had the sharingan so it had to be inherited and it wasn't till he was just a kid till it had activated in its new vessel (forcibly by witnessing death).
Just as Tobi's and Kakashi's sharingan-Nagato's Rinnegan is always activated.
Naruto 562 page 2 shows a flashback of young Oonoki, Muu, and Madara. If madara and Oonoki were alive toghether and Oonoki is alive now, why couldn't Izuna Uchiha be alive and old as well.
tell me what you think
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Re: An in-depth look at Tobi and the Manga
Any possibility the younger son is the gezzer frog from mount myoboku
Any possibility the younger son is the gezzer frog from mount myoboku
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Re: An in-depth look at Tobi and the Manga
great theory, so many interestin points here. yeah tobi being the older son is quite probable, so you think he progressed from that swirly rinnegan thing he had to rinnegan in his final fight with the younger son? and took his dna?
great theory, so many interestin points here. yeah tobi being the older son is quite probable, so you think he progressed from that swirly rinnegan thing he had to rinnegan in his final fight with the younger son? and took his dna?
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Not as likely as you make it sound. How would the Elder son have survived all these years? The full abilities of the Gedo Mazo are at best vague and shady at this point in the manga. All we know is, a rinnegan user is required to awaken it, once awakened it can be used to seal tailed beasts and the Akatsuki used Nagato like a pawn to sync with it. An ideal rinnegan user has massive stamina, which is probably why Nagato was chosen as he was an Uzumaki.
Tobi knowing history could very well be just the result of the reading the stone tablets at the Uchiha shrine. What exactly is written there, no one knows but the fact that there are parts of it that only a rinnegan can read has to mean there is info on the Sage/his life/his sons contained therein. And lets face it, if you say he 'sounds like he lived through that' then by that evidence he is more likely to be Madara as he gave vivid accounts of the time of the founding of Konoha and his fight with Hashirama, but of course that is impossible as we know Madara was dead.
And it does'nt seem even a little strange to you that the Sage of 6 Paths himself, who had all the powers of the Elder son plus many more(younger son's abilities),failed to find a way to stay alive beyond his years yet his son with half his power succeeded? Where's the logic in this?
If it even were to be accepted, which is unlikely because he lived a loooong time ago, then why have'nt we heard of the Elder son before? In the days of the founding of Konoha, or any of the 3 great wars? Where was the Elder Son then? He could have done much more damage by attacking Konoha at its founding by siding with Uchiha Madara at the Valley of the end against Hashirama, and ended the Senjus right there instead of waiting all this time.
Oh, and the Elder son of the SO6P from who spawned probably the strongest ninja clan ever, is anything but a 'nobody'(what Tobi said). He does'nt need to use the name of Madara who for him should be the equivalent of an upstart lil' kid.
Not as likely as you make it sound. How would the Elder son have survived all these years? The full abilities of the Gedo Mazo are at best vague and shady at this point in the manga. All we know is, a rinnegan user is required to awaken it, once awakened it can be used to seal tailed beasts and the Akatsuki used Nagato like a pawn to sync with it. An ideal rinnegan user has massive stamina, which is probably why Nagato was chosen as he was an Uzumaki.
Tobi knowing history could very well be just the result of the reading the stone tablets at the Uchiha shrine. What exactly is written there, no one knows but the fact that there are parts of it that only a rinnegan can read has to mean there is info on the Sage/his life/his sons contained therein. And lets face it, if you say he 'sounds like he lived through that' then by that evidence he is more likely to be Madara as he gave vivid accounts of the time of the founding of Konoha and his fight with Hashirama, but of course that is impossible as we know Madara was dead.
And it does'nt seem even a little strange to you that the Sage of 6 Paths himself, who had all the powers of the Elder son plus many more(younger son's abilities),failed to find a way to stay alive beyond his years yet his son with half his power succeeded? Where's the logic in this?
If it even were to be accepted, which is unlikely because he lived a loooong time ago, then why have'nt we heard of the Elder son before? In the days of the founding of Konoha, or any of the 3 great wars? Where was the Elder Son then? He could have done much more damage by attacking Konoha at its founding by siding with Uchiha Madara at the Valley of the end against Hashirama, and ended the Senjus right there instead of waiting all this time.
Oh, and the Elder son of the SO6P from who spawned probably the strongest ninja clan ever, is anything but a 'nobody'(what Tobi said). He does'nt need to use the name of Madara who for him should be the equivalent of an upstart lil' kid.
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