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Flame Alchemist
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Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna
I knew this setsuna guy thanks to that wiki
probably narutopedia
I knew this setsuna guy thanks to that wiki
Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna
Really a shame, it didn't get the love the stupid Obito theories got U_U In opinion it is up there with the kagami one.
From the databook.
Uchiha Paulsama
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Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna
i hope you all know naruto wiki is not always accurate, but seriously bro, nice observation + rep for that .
i hope you all know naruto wiki is not always accurate, but seriously bro, nice observation + rep for that .
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Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna
when they make assumptions yes they are worng time to time, but about the names, they probably take it from the databooks
Uchiha Paulsama
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Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna
this guy made some good points, i sometimes feel that its an uchiha we have never seen or heard of before, that would make sense, because everyone thinks uchiha are totally wiped out
this guy made some good points, i sometimes feel that its an uchiha we have never seen or heard of before, that would make sense, because everyone thinks uchiha are totally wiped out
Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna
Someone new wouldn’t be able to start a war by himself; he would need a name that still strike fear into people’s heart. Itachi and Nagato would have never supported a noob, despite how smart and intelligence he may have ever been.So, Setsuna took Madara's name and just ran with it.
In the last chapter Tobi made it clear; it doesn't matter what you call him, He is “No one” which implies that it wouldn’t change a damn thing.
Obviously, it would be anti-climaxing when he takes his mask off and people say who? Lol, but we didn’t know about pain either, so all kishi has to do is to give us a backstory.
btw, i'm not married to any idea.
I agree. Even though, I don't believe the whole "Izuna" story from Tobi, because frankly, it just doesn't make sense, I would assume new characters have the most to gain from taking over Madara's name.
Someone new wouldn’t be able to start a war by himself; he would need a name that still strike fear into people’s heart. Itachi and Nagato would have never supported a noob, despite how smart and intelligence he may have ever been.So, Setsuna took Madara's name and just ran with it.
In the last chapter Tobi made it clear; it doesn't matter what you call him, He is “No one” which implies that it wouldn’t change a damn thing.
Obviously, it would be anti-climaxing when he takes his mask off and people say who? Lol, but we didn’t know about pain either, so all kishi has to do is to give us a backstory.
btw, i'm not married to any idea.
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AbukariDogMan
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Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna
Do the age gaps mmatch though? is he old enough to have lived in madaras time? because madara knows tobi.
Do the age gaps mmatch though? is he old enough to have lived in madaras time? because madara knows tobi.
Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna
I like the idea of another "unkown" uchiha in the role of tobi! certainly beats the tobi = tobirama or obito hypothesis.
Shame there isn't any more info, and all you have to go on is a picture and vague data book info.
What I want to know is how hard is it to control the kyubi for an uchiha? If its not madara which controled the kyubi against the yondaime, how come the kyubi didn't notice?
life was easier when madara was still thought to be alive....
I like the idea of another "unkown" uchiha in the role of tobi! certainly beats the tobi = tobirama or obito hypothesis.
Shame there isn't any more info, and all you have to go on is a picture and vague data book info.
What I want to know is how hard is it to control the kyubi for an uchiha? If its not madara which controled the kyubi against the yondaime, how come the kyubi didn't notice?
life was easier when madara was still thought to be alive....
BigTDogg220
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Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna
It makes more sense than any of the other Tobi is threads we've seen.
It makes more sense than any of the other Tobi is threads we've seen.
Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna
Well Setsuna and Izuna seem like the only real possible Uchiha candidates of possible Tobi identities, not enough hard evidence to point to any real certainty but more likely then Shisui or Obito.
Well Setsuna and Izuna seem like the only real possible Uchiha candidates of possible Tobi identities, not enough hard evidence to point to any real certainty but more likely then Shisui or Obito.
PositiveEmotions
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Re: Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna
nice dude but ima make a theory of tobi,izuna,shishui uchiha, kigame uchiha (i know i spelled his name wrong), and obito uchiha ima provide more clues from the manga on why it can't be izuna, shishui, and kigame
nice dude but ima make a theory of tobi,izuna,shishui uchiha, kigame uchiha (i know i spelled his name wrong), and obito uchiha ima provide more clues from the manga on why it can't be izuna, shishui, and kigame
UnrealSoul
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Re: Tobis Identity 100 percent spoiler
I have a waaaay out there hypothesis for who Tobi is.
Now, bear with me, it will make (somewhat) more sense as you go down further.
Tobi is Sasuke.
Now, hear ME out: Lets imagine a past where Tobi mascarading as Madara never existed. Danzo enlisted Itachi to kill off the Uchiha. Without Tobi, Itachi does, but is fatally wounded. He still spares Sasuke, but Itachi is branded a traitor and the entire bloodline "cursed" in the eyes of the village. Sasuke grows up a pariah, as he is shunned by everyone. He probably resorts to childish pranks to get attention.
Enter Naruto. Without Tobi to summon the 9 tails, the 4th and Naruto's mother survive the pregnancy. Naruto, the son of the Yellow flash, grows up as an elite, beloved by the entire village. He probably becomes the love interest of Sakura, while prankish Sasuke is the nuisance. (Notice that Tobi early on was a prankster too)
Being the best and the worst of the class, they end up together in the same team. Naruto gets hurt against haku protecting Sasuke, and since the Kyuubi is still in his mother, he doesn't have the kyuubi chakra to help him out, Sasuke's sharingan awakens, and he somehow saves the day.
The deviations start to become apparent because Naruto probably dies against Gaara, which probably awakens the Mangekyo. Sasuke, losing possibly his only friend, goes willingly with Orochimaru and Kabuto, since Orochimaru wanted the Sharingan to begin with in both timelines.
Sasuke still beats Orochimaru, and with the mangekyo sharingan actually defeats him completely. Pressuring Kabuto, he finds the reconstructed dead soul body of Uchiha Madara, and takes his eyes, unknowingly taking the malignant wood type cells of the 1st hokage as well. He learns of the hidden room, and with Madara's eyes he also has a bit of Madara's chakra, so he can summon and control the 9 tails.
I imagine that Danzou's spies have alerted him to Sasuke's plan to destroy the leaf and come for Danzou, and Danzou wants his eyes anyway. My hypothesis is that Danzou beats the absolute hell out of that Sasuke, who resorts to the OTHER forbidden technique of the sharingan, Izanami. Izanagi undoes the effects of the present, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Izanami undoes the past. It hurtled Tobi into the past, probably a few decades.
Note that Izanami was used with just a normal sharingan. We have no idea what it's abilities are if used in mangekyo mode are.
I'm going to assume that Tobi wanted to raise an army against the leaf, initially, so he defected into the land of the hidden mist, even becoming the 4th Suikage. Or even just controlling him. If that is the case, then it would explain where he learned about the vast power of the tailed beasts.
However, being the kage of the country that sees countless war, Tobi lost the desire for revenge. He was weary of seeing people die, and he just wanted it to end.
Having lost one of his eyes due to the use of the Izanami, the nature of the sharingan changes where it affects space-time interactions in the present. Like Kakashi's eye.
He could have acquired another sharingan anywhere, though most likely was when he helped Itachi slaughter the Uchiha.
And then, after reading the information under the tatami mat, and learned about the ability to use the moon to induce permanent genjutsu. He, from his long life, is weary and not above using peoples emotions against them to just end it all.
He learns that the host of the 9 tails, the most powerful bijuu, is Naruto's mother, and she is giving birth soon. The act of stealing the Kyubi at that moment wasn't just because it was advantageous, he also wanted that elite a$$hole naruto to undrestand what true pain was, what it felt like to lose your entire family / clan, and be reviled by the entire village.
The rest is history.
THAT, is my hypothesis.
Ok, reasons why I believe this:
Tobi knew exactly how Sasuke would grow.
He showed up exactly when Itachi was about to slaughter the Uchiha. That is a heck of a coincidence.
The Kyubi telling Sasuke how much his eyes were like Madara's. As well as the Kyubi's cryptic message.
Tobi' strange fondness of Naruto at times seems nostalgic.
The way he knows things about Itachi that even surprise Itachi.
The fact that despite needing to collect the biju in order, he has Itachi and Kisame attack Naruto, knowing that Sasuke would intervene, fail, and then be more likely to follow Orochimaru, which he needed Sasuke to do to gain more power. And to eventually be rid of the curse seal.
I have a waaaay out there hypothesis for who Tobi is.
Now, bear with me, it will make (somewhat) more sense as you go down further.
Tobi is Sasuke.
Now, hear ME out: Lets imagine a past where Tobi mascarading as Madara never existed. Danzo enlisted Itachi to kill off the Uchiha. Without Tobi, Itachi does, but is fatally wounded. He still spares Sasuke, but Itachi is branded a traitor and the entire bloodline "cursed" in the eyes of the village. Sasuke grows up a pariah, as he is shunned by everyone. He probably resorts to childish pranks to get attention.
Enter Naruto. Without Tobi to summon the 9 tails, the 4th and Naruto's mother survive the pregnancy. Naruto, the son of the Yellow flash, grows up as an elite, beloved by the entire village. He probably becomes the love interest of Sakura, while prankish Sasuke is the nuisance. (Notice that Tobi early on was a prankster too)
Being the best and the worst of the class, they end up together in the same team. Naruto gets hurt against haku protecting Sasuke, and since the Kyuubi is still in his mother, he doesn't have the kyuubi chakra to help him out, Sasuke's sharingan awakens, and he somehow saves the day.
The deviations start to become apparent because Naruto probably dies against Gaara, which probably awakens the Mangekyo. Sasuke, losing possibly his only friend, goes willingly with Orochimaru and Kabuto, since Orochimaru wanted the Sharingan to begin with in both timelines.
Sasuke still beats Orochimaru, and with the mangekyo sharingan actually defeats him completely. Pressuring Kabuto, he finds the reconstructed dead soul body of Uchiha Madara, and takes his eyes, unknowingly taking the malignant wood type cells of the 1st hokage as well. He learns of the hidden room, and with Madara's eyes he also has a bit of Madara's chakra, so he can summon and control the 9 tails.
I imagine that Danzou's spies have alerted him to Sasuke's plan to destroy the leaf and come for Danzou, and Danzou wants his eyes anyway. My hypothesis is that Danzou beats the absolute hell out of that Sasuke, who resorts to the OTHER forbidden technique of the sharingan, Izanami. Izanagi undoes the effects of the present, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Izanami undoes the past. It hurtled Tobi into the past, probably a few decades.
Note that Izanami was used with just a normal sharingan. We have no idea what it's abilities are if used in mangekyo mode are.
I'm going to assume that Tobi wanted to raise an army against the leaf, initially, so he defected into the land of the hidden mist, even becoming the 4th Suikage. Or even just controlling him. If that is the case, then it would explain where he learned about the vast power of the tailed beasts.
However, being the kage of the country that sees countless war, Tobi lost the desire for revenge. He was weary of seeing people die, and he just wanted it to end.
Having lost one of his eyes due to the use of the Izanami, the nature of the sharingan changes where it affects space-time interactions in the present. Like Kakashi's eye.
He could have acquired another sharingan anywhere, though most likely was when he helped Itachi slaughter the Uchiha.
And then, after reading the information under the tatami mat, and learned about the ability to use the moon to induce permanent genjutsu. He, from his long life, is weary and not above using peoples emotions against them to just end it all.
He learns that the host of the 9 tails, the most powerful bijuu, is Naruto's mother, and she is giving birth soon. The act of stealing the Kyubi at that moment wasn't just because it was advantageous, he also wanted that elite a$$hole naruto to undrestand what true pain was, what it felt like to lose your entire family / clan, and be reviled by the entire village.
The rest is history.
THAT, is my hypothesis.
Ok, reasons why I believe this:
Tobi knew exactly how Sasuke would grow.
He showed up exactly when Itachi was about to slaughter the Uchiha. That is a heck of a coincidence.
The Kyubi telling Sasuke how much his eyes were like Madara's. As well as the Kyubi's cryptic message.
Tobi' strange fondness of Naruto at times seems nostalgic.
The way he knows things about Itachi that even surprise Itachi.
The fact that despite needing to collect the biju in order, he has Itachi and Kisame attack Naruto, knowing that Sasuke would intervene, fail, and then be more likely to follow Orochimaru, which he needed Sasuke to do to gain more power. And to eventually be rid of the curse seal.
Re: Tobis Identity 100 percent spoiler
Also, if Tobi (Sasuke) never had the curse seal removed by sealing Orochimaru, I can imagine that he would have learned to use the shifting ability to make his arm hard as stone. Like when he blocked Suigetsu's sword swing.
Also, if Tobi (Sasuke) never had the curse seal removed by sealing Orochimaru, I can imagine that he would have learned to use the shifting ability to make his arm hard as stone. Like when he blocked Suigetsu's sword swing.
An in-depth look at Tobi and the Manga
Preface
I've only made a few threads on this website, most of which have actually be rather close to what happened in the manga... if that helps you read on... They are long so it's up to you if you want to read or not. The point of this thread is to go over some things I've thought about Tobi, and who he can reasonably be by actual fact. Some may be repeated information, but this is all my own deductions as I really don't read much on any forum.
The pure basis of this thread comes from a few very important facts that we know about in the manga: How you get the Rinnegan, who has unlocked it, what the hell is Gedo, and goals that Tobi has mentioned and is attempting to reach. I will not link to every image, but in the hour I currently have I will help put as much into this as I possibly can, it's a wall of text, but if you really care to read I'm sure it will be worth your time.
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To start things off, we need to all understand Madara and the FACTS we know about him.
1. He fought the first Hokage - Agreeable.
2. He unlocked the Rinnegan through this fight, or shortly before his death - Agreeable
3. He is in fact dead - Agreeable or he wouldn't be able to be revived, assuming we take things at face value.
4. He apparently has no connection to Gedo, and I say this on the basis of Nagato. After continual use of Gedo, we see what Syncing with it has done to his body.
This leads us to believe that there is not ONE, not TWO, BUT THREE sets of known Rinnegan, Madara, the SO6P, and however Tobi has acquired his. We know Nagato got his from Tobi.(Counting these as one pair). Simply put, Madara and the SO6P are pretty much some of the strongest people, or very high in that ranking thus known on an individual basis; so Tobi needs to also be someone on this level as well so it makes logical sense.
Now, if we use these facts as an example we can infer what happened in the past. I want to focus on a few key things Tobi has noted such as:
I find this very important, because Tobi talks as if he knows either the "Destiny' or "Fate" of the full bloodline of the Uchiha, meaning he has been around for a while, or somehow knows things we do not, which is quite obvious. But again if we take this at face value that already eliminates half the people many suspect Tobi to be, it's that simple.
These facts are then the result:
1. Madara fought the 1st Hokage - He lost - He unlocked the Rinnegan
2. Sasuke is "Fated" or it is his "Destiny" to fight Naruto - But for what purpose in Tobi's mind? Well, now we know how the Rinnegan is created, so it would be reasonable to say that it is for that very idea.
3. If we use Madara's fight vs the 1st Hokage, AND Naruto vs Sasuke's "fated" fight things become a little more predictable and logical.
We can infer that either the Eldest son, in whatever possible way, knew how to unlock the Rinnegan, and thus fought the younger son for said purpose. Or he happened to come across it by chance; regardless, if things are following the same pattern of logic it would be inferred that the eldest son DID IN FACT unlock the Rinnegan through that fight, and either died soon after or was put into an incredibly weakened state and I'll explain this specific example in a second.
This is where, for me, it delves into really paving out some in depth detail. So what we have concluded from this is that
Madara, and SO6P both had Rinnegan. Nagato did also, however, there is an outlier: Gedo, we don't know where it has yet come from, if there is more than one, if it is reproducible, or what it's full potential is. However the chapter 447 is VERY important for a few reasons, first let us think of how the Sharingan progresses. Do you know? It's all emotionally based to be pretty blunt about it. How to you unlock it in the first place, how does it advance to the third tomoe, how do you unlock MS? All are tied to emotion. We KNOW for a FACT the Rinnegan is the Sharingan, so UNLOCKING Gedo is a HUGE possibility, and purely logical when we simply look at how Nagato used it.
Moreover, what does it do? Well with the Rinnegan the controller is quoted as being able to control "Life AND Death" and perhaps this can only be done through a syncing with Gedo. Gedo may allow simultaneous, or linked use to the many paths Nagato apparently did not have before this point, and as we see Gedo is also using similar abilities to the outer path in this chapter, so there should be a reasonable connection here. Moreover, the black rods connected to the back of Nagato look very similar to what are being used for the other paths/bodies so perhaps another connection via Gedo - But moving along with the main point - the more people attempted to be revived the less of the consumed souls it can return based on a time basis.
Death is a very interesting factor for me, and now thinking about it "Or" would be the correct way for it to be used in English if it was able to do "both". We know it cannot be used for "both" seeing as Madara had noted the ability was supposed to be used for him, thus its affects are only producible once.
Because of this information we HAVE to conclude that Tobi HAS to know how Gedo works, and why he does not abuse it like Nagato did after syncing with it. It would be reasonable to say that Tobi is attempting to find a way around the negative affects Gedo has on the user(This is really key considering Itachi always mentioning everything has a negative side), thus, he has used it, synced with it before and has some sort of work around for it.
Which leads into the next area of what the hell is Tobi's real objective with Sasuke?
It was said after Nagato's failure that Tobi would look for someone else to sync with Gedo so that the "ability" Nagato used could be used again for Tobi. But all users thus far have, in some way, had possession of a Rinnegan. So, the whole objective of Sasuke vs Naruto is for Sasuke to unlock the Rinnegan for the eventual syncing of Gedo, it only makes sense.
With all of this information we're faced with very limited options moving forward when taking in this information: Tobi has to know about the past, he has a Rinnegan pair, he knows how the Rinnegan works, how Gedo works, wants Gedo to be used FOR him, and has some some eventual plan.
Conclusion
And thus this leads me to my prediction: If Gedo can only be used once for the "Life and Death" ability, and Tobi knows this then it would be reasonable to conclude someone who has unlocked it through an emotional fight; Tobi almost has to be the Eldest Son of the SO6P. He unlocked the Rinnegan in his fight against the younger son. Think about this, he has always had access to being around the younger son. If in fact the younger son was able to use the "wood tech" this would promptly explain where, how, and why Tobi has Zetsu. Moreover, if you unlock the Rinnegan before you "dye" or are in the process of "dying" then Zetsu would simply negate this. Madara did not have Zetsu, thus in his battle he died - why he is able to be revived. Sasuke will be aided by Tobi, thus able to unlock the Rinnegan explaining Tobi's need for Sasuke. Nagato had his implanted so that explains why he was alive.
The only questions I have left is how the eldest son had Zetsu in preparation for all of this? My guess is, he didn't. In fact, I believe this is where the "shell of a former self" and the "Life and Death" ability come into play. The Eldest son was, as we know, defeated but did not have zetsu around, if in a bind like this he may have used Gedo to steal, and store his own soul. Zetsu, as we know is created but has a conscience/personality, thus leading to the explanation of why many of us think Tobi is using a Zetsu body (Being able to recreate arms, yet still use his eye techs etc). Regardless of this small part being wrong or right, it would make sense that if he stored his soul in Gedo and another Rinnegan user synced with Gedo then used the ability to return that soul to Tobi, how the Eldest son could have been preserved for so long. And from this, everything stated above can be explained as to why he knows it, and simply justifies all actions he has taken, what he plans to do, and why he talks so much about destiny and fate as he has been around for so long.
The repetition and history throughout the manga has helped explain many events, and it seems reasonable this is one of them. This really only comes as the logical answer to me, at least at the moment, and hopefully it makes sense to everyone else ^_^
Discuss~?
Preface
I've only made a few threads on this website, most of which have actually be rather close to what happened in the manga... if that helps you read on... They are long so it's up to you if you want to read or not. The point of this thread is to go over some things I've thought about Tobi, and who he can reasonably be by actual fact. Some may be repeated information, but this is all my own deductions as I really don't read much on any forum.
The pure basis of this thread comes from a few very important facts that we know about in the manga: How you get the Rinnegan, who has unlocked it, what the hell is Gedo, and goals that Tobi has mentioned and is attempting to reach. I will not link to every image, but in the hour I currently have I will help put as much into this as I possibly can, it's a wall of text, but if you really care to read I'm sure it will be worth your time.
Body
To start things off, we need to all understand Madara and the FACTS we know about him.
1. He fought the first Hokage - Agreeable.
2. He unlocked the Rinnegan through this fight, or shortly before his death - Agreeable
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3. He is in fact dead - Agreeable or he wouldn't be able to be revived, assuming we take things at face value.
4. He apparently has no connection to Gedo, and I say this on the basis of Nagato. After continual use of Gedo, we see what Syncing with it has done to his body.
This leads us to believe that there is not ONE, not TWO, BUT THREE sets of known Rinnegan, Madara, the SO6P, and however Tobi has acquired his. We know Nagato got his from Tobi.(Counting these as one pair). Simply put, Madara and the SO6P are pretty much some of the strongest people, or very high in that ranking thus known on an individual basis; so Tobi needs to also be someone on this level as well so it makes logical sense.
Now, if we use these facts as an example we can infer what happened in the past. I want to focus on a few key things Tobi has noted such as:
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I find this very important, because Tobi talks as if he knows either the "Destiny' or "Fate" of the full bloodline of the Uchiha, meaning he has been around for a while, or somehow knows things we do not, which is quite obvious. But again if we take this at face value that already eliminates half the people many suspect Tobi to be, it's that simple.
These facts are then the result:
1. Madara fought the 1st Hokage - He lost - He unlocked the Rinnegan
2. Sasuke is "Fated" or it is his "Destiny" to fight Naruto - But for what purpose in Tobi's mind? Well, now we know how the Rinnegan is created, so it would be reasonable to say that it is for that very idea.
3. If we use Madara's fight vs the 1st Hokage, AND Naruto vs Sasuke's "fated" fight things become a little more predictable and logical.
We can infer that either the Eldest son, in whatever possible way, knew how to unlock the Rinnegan, and thus fought the younger son for said purpose. Or he happened to come across it by chance; regardless, if things are following the same pattern of logic it would be inferred that the eldest son DID IN FACT unlock the Rinnegan through that fight, and either died soon after or was put into an incredibly weakened state and I'll explain this specific example in a second.
This is where, for me, it delves into really paving out some in depth detail. So what we have concluded from this is that
Madara, and SO6P both had Rinnegan. Nagato did also, however, there is an outlier: Gedo, we don't know where it has yet come from, if there is more than one, if it is reproducible, or what it's full potential is. However the chapter 447 is VERY important for a few reasons, first let us think of how the Sharingan progresses. Do you know? It's all emotionally based to be pretty blunt about it. How to you unlock it in the first place, how does it advance to the third tomoe, how do you unlock MS? All are tied to emotion. We KNOW for a FACT the Rinnegan is the Sharingan, so UNLOCKING Gedo is a HUGE possibility, and purely logical when we simply look at how Nagato used it.
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Moreover, what does it do? Well with the Rinnegan the controller is quoted as being able to control "Life AND Death" and perhaps this can only be done through a syncing with Gedo. Gedo may allow simultaneous, or linked use to the many paths Nagato apparently did not have before this point, and as we see Gedo is also using similar abilities to the outer path in this chapter, so there should be a reasonable connection here. Moreover, the black rods connected to the back of Nagato look very similar to what are being used for the other paths/bodies so perhaps another connection via Gedo - But moving along with the main point - the more people attempted to be revived the less of the consumed souls it can return based on a time basis.
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Death is a very interesting factor for me, and now thinking about it "Or" would be the correct way for it to be used in English if it was able to do "both". We know it cannot be used for "both" seeing as Madara had noted the ability was supposed to be used for him, thus its affects are only producible once.
Because of this information we HAVE to conclude that Tobi HAS to know how Gedo works, and why he does not abuse it like Nagato did after syncing with it. It would be reasonable to say that Tobi is attempting to find a way around the negative affects Gedo has on the user(This is really key considering Itachi always mentioning everything has a negative side), thus, he has used it, synced with it before and has some sort of work around for it.
Which leads into the next area of what the hell is Tobi's real objective with Sasuke?
It was said after Nagato's failure that Tobi would look for someone else to sync with Gedo so that the "ability" Nagato used could be used again for Tobi. But all users thus far have, in some way, had possession of a Rinnegan. So, the whole objective of Sasuke vs Naruto is for Sasuke to unlock the Rinnegan for the eventual syncing of Gedo, it only makes sense.
With all of this information we're faced with very limited options moving forward when taking in this information: Tobi has to know about the past, he has a Rinnegan pair, he knows how the Rinnegan works, how Gedo works, wants Gedo to be used FOR him, and has some some eventual plan.
Conclusion
And thus this leads me to my prediction: If Gedo can only be used once for the "Life and Death" ability, and Tobi knows this then it would be reasonable to conclude someone who has unlocked it through an emotional fight; Tobi almost has to be the Eldest Son of the SO6P. He unlocked the Rinnegan in his fight against the younger son. Think about this, he has always had access to being around the younger son. If in fact the younger son was able to use the "wood tech" this would promptly explain where, how, and why Tobi has Zetsu. Moreover, if you unlock the Rinnegan before you "dye" or are in the process of "dying" then Zetsu would simply negate this. Madara did not have Zetsu, thus in his battle he died - why he is able to be revived. Sasuke will be aided by Tobi, thus able to unlock the Rinnegan explaining Tobi's need for Sasuke. Nagato had his implanted so that explains why he was alive.
The only questions I have left is how the eldest son had Zetsu in preparation for all of this? My guess is, he didn't. In fact, I believe this is where the "shell of a former self" and the "Life and Death" ability come into play. The Eldest son was, as we know, defeated but did not have zetsu around, if in a bind like this he may have used Gedo to steal, and store his own soul. Zetsu, as we know is created but has a conscience/personality, thus leading to the explanation of why many of us think Tobi is using a Zetsu body (Being able to recreate arms, yet still use his eye techs etc). Regardless of this small part being wrong or right, it would make sense that if he stored his soul in Gedo and another Rinnegan user synced with Gedo then used the ability to return that soul to Tobi, how the Eldest son could have been preserved for so long. And from this, everything stated above can be explained as to why he knows it, and simply justifies all actions he has taken, what he plans to do, and why he talks so much about destiny and fate as he has been around for so long.
The repetition and history throughout the manga has helped explain many events, and it seems reasonable this is one of them. This really only comes as the logical answer to me, at least at the moment, and hopefully it makes sense to everyone else ^_^
Discuss~?
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hawaiianmike
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Re: An in-depth look at Tobi and the Manga
Very interesting theory. Had a lot of good points. U_U But unfortunately we will never know until the time comes.
Very interesting theory. Had a lot of good points. U_U But unfortunately we will never know until the time comes.
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