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Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

  • Total voters
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Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

shisui is more then likely the same age as itachi if not just a little bit older and during the 9 tails attack they were too young to fight. kakashi is well older then itachi and even he couldnt fight cause he was too young.
here is your proof of age if we are going on the age thing



it says ao is a middle age ninja, he fought in war before the fourth ninja war, look ao doesnt look like he is 40 but it is apparent he is, which to me means shuisi didn't appear that old but he is probably much much older around minto's age if you ask me
 

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Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

LOL @ THE BATMAN THING. But nah dude shisui was like 8 years old lol i doubt tobi/madara was controlling a 8 year old he didnt even have mangekyo yet
lol thanks i was meaning to make you laugh. ad i just posted a link to ao's wiki page which should put more of a light on the age thing, shuisi is older the people are thinking he is
 

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Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

Nice theory dude. Sounds plausable, but until it is confirmed this will just be a theory.
U_U I was hoping for a confirmed spoiler but this was good to.
 

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Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

here is your proof of age if we are going on the age thing



it says ao is a middle age ninja, he fought in war before the fourth ninja war, look ao doesnt look like he is 40 but it is apparent he is, which to me means shuisi didn't appear that old but he is probably much much older around minto's age if you ask me
it doesnt say Ao;s age at all tho lol and ur right ao doesnt look old and neither did itachi which still leaves me to think he was itachis age or just a bit older :p
 

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Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

ok, I didn't read it all, but I did read the OP, and it looks to me like your trying to say that shisui and tobi are the same, correct???

well, I got some other thougths for you to think about.
kabuto mentions His eye, but this is not in reference to tobi, it's in reference to shisui, he is well aware of who shisui was and what power he had in his eye's, he even showed the desire to add him to his edo tensei collection.
now, you are interpreting tobi's refusal to give up the remains of danzo so that kabuto could get shisui's dna trough the busted eye and revive him as that it would fail since in your theory shisui and tobi are the same.
but concider this for a change about this same request and denial:
kabuto seems to know a lot about tobi, he was well aware that he was not madara and it seems like he knows more then he has shown so far, I'm guessing he also knows who or what tobi is. so if tobi were shisui then why would kabuto even bother requesting his dna for the edo tensei. as for why tobi refused to hand it over, also simple, shisui's powers are a threat to tobi. if kabuto would manage to use the koto amatsukami on tobi kabuto would be in control, and that is something tobi clearly is woryd about, that is proven by the fact that he demanded that kabuto explaind edo tensei to madara
 

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Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

ok, I didn't read it all, but I did read the OP, and it looks to me like your trying to say that shisui and tobi are the same, correct???

well, I got some other thougths for you to think about.
kabuto mentions His eye, but this is not in reference to tobi, it's in reference to shisui, he is well aware of who shisui was and what power he had in his eye's, he even showed the desire to add him to his edo tensei collection.
now, you are interpreting tobi's refusal to give up the remains of danzo so that kabuto could get shisui's dna trough the busted eye and revive him as that it would fail since in your theory shisui and tobi are the same.
but concider this for a change about this same request and denial:
kabuto seems to know a lot about tobi, he was well aware that he was not madara and it seems like he knows more then he has shown so far, I'm guessing he also knows who or what tobi is. so if tobi were shisui then why would kabuto even bother requesting his dna for the edo tensei. as for why tobi refused to hand it over, also simple, shisui's powers are a threat to tobi. if kabuto would manage to use the koto amatsukami on tobi kabuto would be in control, and that is something tobi clearly is woryd about, that is proven by the fact that he demanded that kabuto explaind edo tensei to madara
i already thought of the situation before i posted my thread haha, and what if kabuto is thinking he is shuisi as well and made the dna state meant to either get a reaction or to mark shuisi off the list as a suspect thinking tobi would hand it over, all kabuto seems to know is that tobi is not madara
 

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Re: MASKED MAN UNVEILED!!!(i think)

Here's why I think Tobi = Izuna and how it happened.

Izuna may have died and had his eyes taken but Madara obtained the rinnegan, so there's a good chance he revived his brother before he died, shared his ideas and gave the rinnegan to Nagato, not a "real" Nagato, but the Nagato we all know, since it was perfectly possible for Madara to have lived when Nagato was a kid, since he probably was only 10-20 years older than Oonoki.

Since Izuna originally died without eyes he would need implants, which also explains why his sharingan is active constantly, because like Kakashi and unlike other Uchiha he never shows his regular eyes, this would've also enabled him to get the Senju DNA which he obviously has since he can use Izanagi.

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I find the other possibilities not logical enough to be true, who would share his ideas? Who would have a motivation to help Itachi kill their own clan?

The brother of the man who basicly got betrayed by his clan(in their point of view); Izuna Uchiha

Also think about appearance, Sasuke and Kisame should've been able to figure out it was a fake if he looked nothing like Madara, but being his brother he would resemble him enough for people who never saw Madara in person to believe he's actually Madara.

__

So, what do I got?

-Explanation for constant active sharingan
-Why people who saw his face still believed he's Madara
-His reason to help Itachi slaughter the Uchiha
-His motivation to carry out the eternal tsukyomi plan.
whoa!!!!
i dont think i have any thing that can contradict your theory man!!!
naice!!!!xd
 

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Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

lol, there were way too many things to quote so I'll just say it like this, we don't really know
anything about shisui, and just because they were alive at the same time doesn't mean anything since we don't know shisui's whereabouts, so that proves nothing.

and this thing with Ao. here's an image from manga, he appears to be of some age
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and look at this one, Ao says he was the one who saw through the illusion placed on the yagura, Ao was around even then, and then he goes on to say that he once fought wit shisui. he should be quite a bit older that itachi, itachi was 4 years old when the war ended, he never fought in it, but shisui did.

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and look at this one, remember Ao says he fought with him ONCE, and look at the picture of shisui when Ao is remembering him, he looks the exact same years later when itachi pictures him, why? is kishi trying to keep us off the trail of his age? we never see an older or younger shisui.

and we don't know what his other eye tech was, in fact, it's been made so far to look as though every mangyeko user has an ability in each eye, but we only know one of shisui's.

and yes itachi supposedly killed him, but pay attention to the words kishi had itachi speak, " I helped him erase his "existence". now why the HECK out of all the things he could have said, he said "existence". heck, he could have just said, " I helped kill him". that's really odd IMO, there's definitely more to shisui that meets the eye.

I also like to add that shisui was a mangyeko user, but yet, we know nothing on how he obtained it. and remember this was something that was very rare for an uchiha.
 
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Re: PROBLEM SOLVED! (almost!)

i agree with the time travel aspect, but imo its the elder son of SO6P. cause if anyone is able to take control of juubi it'd be him. its what he was supposed to inherit. and he's been cursed by hatred for a long time. he a nameless shinobi thorughout the years that just starts instigating wars, and probably trained madara and izuna, hell maybe he even is their father if he can time travel lol
 

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Re: Naruto 565 - Who is Tobi? The Truth about Madara

the biggest hole of all is that Madara knew who Nagato was. if madara died, and tobi found nagato and awakened the rinnegan in him, how would madara know nagato when he was edo tensei revived?
 

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Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

lol, there were way too many things to quote so I'll just say it like this, we don't really know
anything about shisui, and just because they were alive at the same time doesn't mean anything since we don't know shisui's whereabouts, so that proves nothing.

and this thing with Ao. here's an image from manga, he appears to be of some age
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and look at this one, Ao says he was the one who saw through the illusion placed on the yagura, Ao was around even then, and then he goes on to say that he once fought wit shisui. he should be quite a bit older that itachi, itachi was 4 years old when the war ended, he never fought in it, but shisui did.

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and look at this one, remember Ao says he fought with him ONCE, and look at the picture of shisui when Ao is remembering him, he looks the exact same years later when itachi pictures him, why? is kishi trying to keep us off the trail of his age? we never see an older or younger shisui.

and we don't know what his other eye tech was, in fact, it's been made so far to look as though every mangyeko user has an ability in each eye, but we only know one of shisui's.

and yes itachi supposedly killed him, but pay attention to the words kishi had itachi speak, " I helped him erase his "existence". now why the HECK out of all the things he could have said, he said "existence". heck, he could have just said, " I helped kill him". that's really odd IMO, there's definitely more to shisui that meets the eye.

I also like to add that shisui was a mangyeko user, but yet, we know nothing on how he obtained it. and remember this was something that was very rare for an uchiha.
i personally think we make a good team lol we should start to team up in threads haha
 

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Tobi and Madara [SPOILERS]

Ok, listen up. It turns out that Uchiha Madara also wanted to complete the Moon's eye plan and so does Tobi. Conclusion at the end, but I have included pics so it makes reading the points more interesting

  • Tobi both has a sharingan (3 tomoe) and a rinnegan, so we assume you need both eyes to complete the moon's eye. I think it is to make the pattern of the Juubi's eye.

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  • On the other hand, Madara has both rinnegans in each eye, but also wants to do the moon's eye plan. So how would he be able to complete the plan with both the rinnegans instead of one sharingan and one rinnegan?
  • My theory is that Tobi has Madara's real eye. Just like Sasuke has Itachi's eyes even though Itachi was ressurected. I think that Tobi awakened Madara's rinnegan and tricked into thinking he would help Madara summon the Ten-tails. I think Tobi also needed the rinnegan to read the final part of the uchiha stone monument.
  • This would also explain why Madara wants to summon to put everyone in an infinite tsukuyomi. There is also evidence for this trickery where Tobi tells Sasuke that he will obtain the power of the tailed beasts.
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There are also two other things which I find interesting. Madara and Tobi both want to put everyone in the infinite Tsukiyomi, but have you noticed that Madara only wants this because he is jealous of the Senju (which follows the typical curse of hatred), whereas Tobi wants to because he thinks he can bring order out of chaos and bring peace.

Don't you see, they have different motives. Madara is a twisted Uchiha like Sasuke whereas Tobi is an emo like Nagato. So this means that Tobi must have had something serious to him in the past, so he cannot simply be a zetsu clone or Izuna. He is someone who has experienced real shit! He is no one because he thinks of himself as lonely and hated. He is like Naruto when the village hated him. TOBI WANTS TO BE ACKKNOWLEDGED AS A GOD - JUST LIKE NARUTO WANTED TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED AS HOKAGE!




IMO: I don't think Tobi is an Uchiha, Nagato wasn't an Uchiha, yet he suffered hatred and wanted to bring peace. I think Tobi is a descendant of the Senju and is one of the children of the prophecy Jiraiya goes on about.
 
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Re: Tobi and Madara [SPOILERS]

Ok, listen up. It turns out that Uchiha Madara also wanted to complete the Moon's eye plan and so does Tobi. Conclusion at the end, but I have included pics so it makes reading the points more interesting

  • Tobi both has a sharingan (3 tomoe) and a rinnegan, so we assume you need both eyes to complete the moon's eye. I think it is to make the pattern of the Juubi's eye.

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  • On the other hand, Madara has both rinnegans in each eye, but also wants to do the moon's eye plan. So how would he be able to complete the plan with both the rinnegans instead of one sharingan and one rinnegan?
  • My theory is that Tobi has Madara's real eye. Just like Sasuke has Itachi's eyes even though Itachi was ressurected. I think that Tobi awakened Madara's rinnegan and tricked into thinking he would help Madara summon the Ten-tails. I think Tobi also needed the rinnegan to read the final part of the uchiha stone monument.
  • This would also explain why Madara wants to summon to put everyone in an infinite tsukuyomi. There is also evidence for this trickery where Tobi tells Sasuke that he will obtain the power of the tailed beasts.
You must be registered for see images

There are also two other things which I find interesting. Madara and Tobi both want to put everyone in the infinite Tsukiyomi, but have you noticed that Madara only wants this because he is jealous of the Senju (which follows the typical curse of hatred), whereas Tobi wants to because he thinks he can bring order out of chaos and bring peace.

Don't you see, they have different motives. Madara is a twisted Uchiha like Sasuke whereas Tobi is an emo like Nagato. So this means that Tobi must have had something serious to him in the past, so he cannot simply be a zetsu clone or Izuna. He is someone who has experienced real shit! He is no one because he thinks of himself as lonely and hated. He is like Naruto when the village hated him.




IMO: I don't think Tobi is an Uchiha, Nagato wasn't an Uchiha, yet he suffered hatred and wanted to bring peace. I think Tobi is a descendant of the Senju and is one of the children of the prophecy Jiraiya goes on about.
Excellent observation. Even if doesn't become true, u have my + rep.
 

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Re: Tobi and Madara [SPOILERS]

"On the other hand, Madara has both rinnegans in each eye, but also wants to do the moon's eye plan. So how would he be able to complete the plan with both the rinnegans instead of one sharingan and one rinnegan?" dats true yup.. but but.. -> _Madara stated that he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death and possesses the ability to switch between both it and his Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan at will. Like other users, Madara is able to use the techniques of the Six Paths_ :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
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