Tobi, Orochimaru and Danzou

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Hey guys this is my first thread so please be courteous.

Its regarding the relationships between Tobi, Danzou and Orochimaru, throught the manga it is heavily referenced on multiple occasions that these antagonists are linked in a variety of ways.



Theres also the fact that each of them have acquired the Dna of the First Hokage which i beleive could have only come from Obito through Madara, but this is just purely my opinion and unproven. Theres also the fact that each of them are ex ninja from Konoha.

Apart from these simple observations there appears to be co-operation between each of these parties on various occasions. In the Uchiha Massacre both Danzou and Tobi are shown conversing with Itachi Uchiha and each of them makes a deal with Itachi to spare Sasuke.


Coincidentally both Danzou and Tobi both happen to have a large amount of sharingans in their possesion and indepth understanding of the forbidden technique Izanagi

Then there is the manipulation of the Fourth Mizukage Yagura, in the manga it is depicted that Tobi is the one manipulating him but it is implied by Ao that a strong genjutsu was used to control Yagura such as Shisui's Kotoatmatsukami.His eyes one of which was in possession of Danzou and the other belonged to Itachi so either Danzou was in league with Tobi or Itachi used Shisui's eye on Yagura for Tobi, which ironically explains the partnering of Kisame and Itachi within Akatsuki but in the manga Tobi was after Shisui's eye in the fight with Danzou so i doubt Itachi would have let on he has it.



Yet another link between Tobi and Danzou is there involvement with Nagato, Tobi first visits Nagato and asks him to join his organisation and Yahiko interjects and stops Nagato from doing it then some time later on an ambush is planned by Danzou and Hanzo in which Yahiko is killed and Nagato summons Gedou Mazou and Nagato becomes known as Pein. The only known time Orochimaru has interacted with Nagato is when they found them as orphans and perhaps during his time as Akatsuki.


In chapter 446 it is stated that Danzou was cooperating with Hanzou to solidify his postion as a Hokage. His ambition to become Hokage is also seen during Pein, Orochimaru and Tobi's attacks on Konoha where he decides to not help defend Konoha and as a consequence two of the Hokages are killed and one is incapicitated. Also had Nagato caught sight of Danzou during the invasion he may have stopped going after Naruto which Tobi wouldn't want. During Kushina's flashback of the Nine Tail's attack on Konoha it is mentioned that only the Third Hokage and a few others were aware of the birth taking place.

Now Danzou being an elder of Konoha may have been informed of it taking place and informed Tobi. Tobi would attempt to capture Kurama and attack the village and hopefully kill the Third and Fourth Hokage to make way for Danzou to take over although this plan did fail, blame and fear was soon placed upon the Uchiha for the attack hereby linking to my previous point.

Then there is Kabuto who links Danzou and Orochimaru together, Kabuto was taken in by Danzou when Orochimaru was a part of the organisation and through manipulation forced to kill his mother figure (forget her name) and then he is convinced by Orochimaru to join him and defect Root.

Yet Danzou still kept in contact with Orochimaru as seen when he sent Sai on a secret mission with Yamato and the others to checkout his hideout where Sai delivers a proposal to Oro from Danzou which apparently goes sour when Sai rejoins Team 7 to fight Sasuke.

So far my theory isn't too sound so any additional information anyone has to build upon what i stated as is any fair criticisms regarding any information i have posted. Thanks for reading
 

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Can you summarize this ?
 

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To summarize they were working in conjunction with one another in the background of some of these events like the Uchiha Massacre and the Nine Tail's attack on Konoha, but in the end it would seem that they each had a fallout with one another. Tobi manipulated Sasuke into killing Danzou ending any alliance they had, and as a consequence Orochimaru and Danzou's relations, I beleive they were still in an alliance. Which only leaves Tobi and Orochimaru alive in the manga, who appear to me to still be on the same team so maybe they will betray Madara together or something whacky =P haha a bit farfetched
 

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To summarize they were working in conjunction with one another in the background of some of these events like the Uchiha Massacre and the Nine Tail's attack on Konoha, but in the end it would seem that they each had a fallout with one another. Tobi manipulated Sasuke into killing Danzou ending any alliance they had, and as a consequence Orochimaru and Danzou's relations, I beleive they were still in an alliance. Which only leaves Tobi and Orochimaru alive in the manga, who appear to me to still be on the same team so maybe they will betray Madara together or something whacky =P haha a bit farfetched
It is plausible to think Danzo helped keep Oro's experiments a secret during the time Oro was experimenting in Konoha. In exchange, Oro would find a way to heal his eye and arm and Obito was somehow linked with Danzo as when they met after the five kage summit, Obito said "Long time no see" but I doubt he knew his identity since he referred to him as Madara which implies he wasn't that close to him. Now how they were all linked is probably that they all wanted the Senju DNA.
 

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Yeah thats actually a really good point, its also probably the reason he joined Root in the first place to work under Danzou and keep doing his experiments under the disguise of a secret organisation. Also now that i think about it Yamato was experimented on by Orochimaru then he escaped and went to work with the ANBU which Danzou runs a branch of. So maybe when the Third Hokage busted Orochi he sent Yamato to Danzou????
 

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Yeah thats actually a really good point, its also probably the reason he joined Root in the first place to work under Danzou and keep doing his experiments under the disguise of a secret organisation. Also now that i think about it Yamato was experimented on by Orochimaru then he escaped and went to work with the ANBU which Danzou runs a branch of. So maybe when the Third Hokage busted Orochi he sent Yamato to Danzou????

It's possible :)
 

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orochimaru got the first's dna from his corpse
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and im not too sure but i hope these two other manga pages help you
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Nice find thanks man i completely forgot that Orochimaru and Kabuto dug up the graves of everyone that died, It seems that Tobi was aware of Orochi's involvment with Danzou, and also that Danzou was going to come around and collect Orochi's research after his supposed death.
And now i can add another part to my theory about Kabuto's involvement with Tobi.

Then there is also the fact that Kabuto was aware of Tobi's true identity having found Madara's remains.
 
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