Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[Gooner4life]

"It's because you let Rin die"

Kishimoto is not a bad enough writer for him to say it is only because Rin died he is evil, if you really think that you don't give him enough credit

When Tobi says he has done this because Rin died, there is a wider meaning, Obito used this example because it is the root of his problem but not the cause, and would mess around with Kakashi's head, lets take a look at the old Kakashi gaiden to see what he means.

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The part I really want to bring to your attention is the the bottom left corner, people were making a point of this but I didn't see it until now, this line is vital and his trademark line are vital here.

Now Tobi's ideals seem to be different now but fundamentally follow the same pattern.

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The point being made in the top left corner, is important because in Kakashi Gaiden, Obito has a different idea of a hero from the rest of the shinobi world.

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Obito believed that saving comrades is what constitutes a hero, Kakashi failed to save Rin yet was hailed as the 'hero of the sharingan', the shinobi world values the mission more than the shinobi doing it, this would have angered him and he would have wanted to change this, but however would soon come to realise with some help from Madara/Zetsu that infinite tsukuyomi is the only way for this to happen, and with shinobi and the world as it is, valuing human life is impossible

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When one loves they run the risk of carrying hate, I think this poetic line underlines how he changed too, losing the one he loved caused him to carry and understand hate, but under the infinite tsukuyomi there can be none of this, that is why he has left that behind after seeing the truth behind that hate and the truth of the shinobi world, and make everyone sleep under the infinite tsukuyomi.

 

[RoguePatriot]

Re: poll: do you like obito being tobi?

Yes

 

[Kikki]

Re: poll: do you like obito being tobi?

I don`t hate it but it lowered my interest in the manga quite a bit. Now I hope for Sasuke turning good so stuff gets more interesting again. Last thing I want now is that Naruto solos Madara and Tobi. If he wins that, it`s really very lame. Better to have Sasuke meet them when things look bad for him. Plus Kakashi`s surviving chance is next to zero now which makes me sad.

I also wanted to see the kage having better chances. I would find it disgusting if Naruto just kills Tobi and Madara without help. Then I`d rather see Sasuke killing Naruto after which is weird for me since I never really liked Sasuke. Maybe I`m just tired of Naruto being so far above everybody else in the story and I totally dislike the current situation of him standing there alone.

That was my rant of the week.

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

Re: "It's because you let Rin die"

nice, +rep

 

[Rikodu sennin]

Re: "It's because you let Rin die"

It's the best theory I've ever heard

 

[NOemotions]

Re: "It's because you let Rin die"

Your thread's are always good, +rep

 

[upilloncat]

Re: "It's because you let Rin die"

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[Gooner4life]

Re: "It's because you let Rin die"

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I can see them :shrug:

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

Re: "It's because you let Rin die"

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in the spoiler

 

[Lord Granator]

Re: poll: do you like obito being tobi?

I supported the Tobi = Obito prediction because I thought it was gonna be the most likely outcome, however dislike because I never wanted it to be true. Obito outcome seems a bit anti-climatic and a bit boring imo. (still waiting for decent explanation) :|

 

[Marz001]

Re: "It's because you let Rin die"

Great theory you have here

 

[Punk Hazard]

Re: "It's because you let Rin die"

Thank you. I think something stupid caused by the Shinobi World killed Rin. Obito then looked deeper into it and saw flaws of the Shinobi World, which would cause him to hate it. Rin's death isn't why he's doing this, it's a catalyst FOR why he's doing this.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Obito did die.

I think Obito was killed by the boulder. Then Madara Rinne Tensei'd him. Then Obito found out Rin died. Then he analyzed the Shinobi World and came to hate it. Then Madara explained his Infinite Tsukiyomi plans to him and this.is why Obito is doing everything.

 

[TenzaZangetsu]

Re: LMFAO! Sasuke and Naruto Vs Madara and Tobito

It won't be one hell of a battle!U_U Because The 5 kage are out of chakra(and posssibly dead) and Naruto,Gai,Kakashi and Bee have been at it for a while and are tiringU_U, they could barely touch Tobi/Obito alone so now with Madara added they are so-o-o-o-o-o screwed!:scorps: Adding Sasuke,Taka and Orochimaru will change nothingU_U, so unless The Sage Of The 6 Paths left some of his chakra in the bijjuu(like Minato and Kushina did for Naruto) in preparation for this to revive a copy of himself and so bail them out then it's gonna be a massacre, not a battle...:shrug:

 

[10023213]

Re: LMFAO! Sasuke and Naruto Vs Madara and Tobito

first sasuke has to get a powerup and then he has to make it to the battlefield and then he'd probably try to team up with tobito and madara xd

 

[Hori]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

There's so many cry babies on this forum I swear

Yep true that///

 

[CudaJoe]

Re: LMFAO! Sasuke and Naruto Vs Madara and Tobito

Chapter 601: Rin's Early Retirement.

Rin was eating ramen with Kakashi while out on a date. Rin became suddenly ill due to food poisoning. Kakashi brought her to the hospital but it was too late, Rin had succumbed to the almost entirely non-leathal sickness had it not been for her feeling sick to her stomach about Kakashi and her leaving Obito burried under rocks when he was clearly still alive.

Rin demanded that Kakashi take her back their so she could check but Kakashi reponse was "No, he's an *******. He's probably dead."

Chapter 602: Obito cries like a Baby and Madara nutures him.

 

[blazekev90]

Re: LMFAO! Sasuke and Naruto Vs Madara and Tobito

You forgot they Orochimaru is with Sasuke, he knows pretty much everything, he'll be the deciding factor and surprise everyone.

 

[KillerbYo]

Only explanation he know of Obito

I see only one explanation as of how Madara knows about Obito, Madaras Rinnegan was not Nagatos Rinnegan, Madara was responsible somehow for starting the second war, but he didnt have a Rinnegan then. Nagato was planned to be used as a tool to revive him when he found out he had it.
He likely used Hashiramas cells to live longer and he developed the Rinnegan later he might have lived longer then the second war but not been around to see Nagato grow up.

That means its still possible Itachi was telling the truth when he said Madara was his mentor.
Why would Obito tell Itachi about Madaras life anyway? And then perhaps Madara was actually the guy that helped Itachi killing the Uchiha clan, He must have had a reason why he would gain the Rinnegan, Nagato got it when his entire family was killed, perhaps then Madara got it after he killed the entire Uchiha clan? Itachi still had Sasuke so he didnt get it.
Then he died shortly after that.

Its like if he was the Sage, and he left to remaining Uchiha left, Obito was bad and Itachi was good. lolz.

 

[Chatte]

Re: poll: do you like obito being tobi?

I don't like it, to be honest. I have my reasons.