Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[Aze]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Explain the timelines lol...



Kishi forgot about them?

 

[Edge]

Well, in order to unlock his MS, Obito must have killed or witnessed the killing of someone close to him,

Rin.

Rin must have died between Obito's "death" and the attack on the Nine-Tails village as that's when Tobi fought Minato using Kamui.

We can assume that Obito would NEVER willingly kill Rin, so either Madara set up her death for him to witness it, or someone posessing Obito's body willingly sought out Rin and killed her for his MS to be unlocked.

 

[meatsworth1]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

i call hax hax i tell you

 

[surendra51]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

you remember the battle with konan tobi himself said that i was the one who gave nagato rennigan where obito didnt even born because it is 3rd ninja world war hes not obito

 

[Hexuze]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I think I've got a new enemy to my list.

 

[VeVe]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

ItachiSensei, considering the long and short hair that Tobi have had, the differences in his voice and the fact he seems to know everything, to me it's obvious that there is more than ONE man behind the mask.
Please review the chapter when the last coffin was revealed, Madara said this is all part of a great plan. I think Madara is also one of the Tobi's.

What do you think?

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

from the manga its clear that Tobi is Obito, so wtf guys?? seriously!

Nobody really has a problem with Tobi being Obito, well I can only speak for myself.. But I do hate the sudden fxck ups & all the inconsistencies that could just pop up from ONE chapter, he has some explaining to do because most of the things "Tobi" has done was from the Second Great Ninja World War, which was also when the Sannin were only in their 20's. And couldn't be Madara since Madara wouldn't have to hide his identity, and during that time he more than likely had died after transplanting his eyes to Nagato, and yes they're transplanted or else Nagato would be able to deactivate them as Madara has shown, and the inability for those with transplanted eyes to deactivate them: Ao, Kakashi, Nagato, etc., etc.

 

[Nerow]

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[KillerbYo]

Obito.

Already written this but with Kagami.


Obito was presumed dead.

So the Anbu went to recover his body. We know they are supposed to do that, or do you think the would just leave his body under those rocks?

Orochimaru was in Anbu with Danzo at this point, he must have found him and healed him using Shodais cells, we know Oro had already begun work on infusing Shodais cells into konohagakure ninjas like Tenzo at this point. Danzo probaly helped him.

So Obito was patched up by Oro and he joined Anbu, one explanation why he couldnt reuturn to Kakashi and Rin was that he had lost his memory, in Anbu they killed his emotions in the Root system.

There are 2 major clues that i wrote a year ago and peple still dont get.

1 is that the trademarks for the Anbu are 2 things.

1. masks.

2. variety of ninja tools.

Those are trademarks for the masked man. He was trained in Anbu. Thats how he got so good, maybe under Oro himself.


The second is that when Obito acted as Mizukage he used the exact same system already existing in Root in that village. SO obviously thats where he got that from, dont people get that?

A third so obvious thing is that the only jutsu that can perform the genjutsu that would control the Mizukage was the Koto Amatsukami.

We also KNOW that Danzo took Shisuis eye not long before the Mizukage was controlled. SO OBVIOUSLY DANZO HAD USED THE EYE ON THE MIZUKAGE AND OBITO WAS COLLABORATING WITH HIM.

We know some people hired the Akaatsuki like the tsuchikage, Danzo would do some thing like this and he was working with Orochimaru.

 

[KillerbYo]

Well, in order to unlock his MS, Obito must have killed or witnessed the killing of someone close to him,

Rin.

Rin must have died between Obito's "death" and the attack on the Nine-Tails village as that's when Tobi fought Minato using Kamui.

We can assume that Obito would NEVER willingly kill Rin, so either Madara set up her death for him to witness it, or someone posessing Obito's body willingly sought out Rin and killed her for his MS to be unlocked.

Yes, Obviously, Nagato went rampage when Yahiko died. Obito loved Rin and his last wish before he was about to die was that Kakashi wold protect her, thats what he talked about to Kakashi in the most recent chapter.

Rin was not present during the kyuubi attack.

So she must have died between the third shinobi war, and Obitos attack on the village.

Since Obito was likely Anbu he could have been told of her death since they are supposed to recover dead bodies. That must have sparked something.

When Konan betrayed Akatsuki he took that pretty seriously.

Obito said that he regarded people that bertrays their comrades worse then scum. In Akatsuki people were thinking about their comrades.

Its a guess but its likely Obito went rampage with the Kyuubi to revange the death of Rin. He regarded her loss more then the village.


why do people whine so much cus they didnt get what they anticipated, i guess most here are kids.

 

[Roy]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

The proof that Tobi is Obito is solid, stop denying it since even though you don't like it, last chapter confirimed it. There's a chance that the Tobi who fought Minato and the one who aided Itachi and took control of the Mizukage are a different person, but the current Tobi = Obito it has been confirmed stop denying it.

 

[saw2097]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

you remember the battle with konan tobi himself said that i was the one who gave nagato rennigan where obito didnt even born because it is 3rd ninja world war hes not obito

He also said he was Madara and he told Sasuke he had nothing to do with the 9 tails attack. Its called lieing.

Obito is Tobi end of discussion. We should really be wondering how he got so twisted.

 

[mabanae]

i think orochimaru found obito's body and fixed / revived him with the scroll that has been found recently or another way . and he intended to use obito as his next vessel maybe .

thats how he(obito) know all this information about past , madara, bijuus , and at top of that implanting eyes , cuz oro ofc knows this kind of shit, he experimented on lots of ninjas .

and obito's going bad i think was triggered by rin or her dead , as we all know obito loved rin , but rin didnt give a shit about it, and rin loved kakashi , and kakashi didnt give a shit about it ,at leas until obito talked him into saving rin .
and trust me i know this kind of problems is hard to endure .

after his training with oro, he left him like sasuke did , and used the info to gain more power .

this is what i think.

 

[Knights Saotome]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

People need to stop crying about Tobi being Obito. It was a nice surprise, and the clues were all there. Tobi... add an extra O and fix the letter... and you get Obito. Here's what I think:

1. I do believe that there were possibly two masked men. Obito would have been 14 during the nine tails attack. There is no way he could get as tall as the 4th in one year... and there is no way his skill level could sky rocket in one year after his supposed death. WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHEN THE REAL MADARA DIED!

2. Look at the Ame Orphans. Nagato got his Rinnegan as a kid, correct. Obito was not born yet. Yet, Obito/Tobi claims to have given Nagato the Rinnegan.

3. In one chapter (don't remember which one), but Itachi even said that Madara was a shell of his former self.

There has to be two masked men... or Obito is just one gigantic liar, lying to everyone to get what he needs (probable). Still doesn't make sense how he suddenly grew when he fought the forth, or how he has extensive knowledge of the past, or how he could have even known Nagato as a kid.

Final Statement and Question:
The 4th Hokage must have a been a terrible hokage (don't get made at me ). From what I remember, I read/heard somewhere that Zetsu used to eat the bodies of the fallen Akatsuki members to prevent secrets getting out. I also read/heard somewhere that corpses have a lot information on them. Keeping that in mind, why wouldn't the 4th Hokage and his team (Rin/Kakashi) remove the boulder from Obito and take the body with them?

With a body containing such a sensative item such as the Sharigan, you wouldn't want it to fall into the wrong hands.

And if I were Obito, and my team also abandonded me like that while I was still alive, I would be pissed XD!

i said before i say again, everyone seems to agree that obtio fused with a zetsu. now this means two things,1 he grew taller because he was still pretty much kid sized, and 2 he got all the info zetsu had. we should all know how zetsu works by now, he gather info and intill from both dead and live bodies, down to thier chakra and eveything, black zetsu acts like a storage unit, storing all the info the white zetsu collect. as for obtio body not being recovered, it clearly says that they did go back by never fround the body, and they assumed it wad buired under the boulders they couldnt move.

 

[mabanae]

Obito.

Already written this but with Kagami.


Obito was presumed dead.

So the Anbu went to recover his body. We know they are supposed to do that, or do you think the would just leave his body under those rocks?

Orochimaru was in Anbu with Danzo at this point, he must have found him and healed him using Shodais cells, we know Oro had already begun work on infusing Shodais cells into konohagakure ninjas like Tenzo at this point. Danzo probaly helped him.

So Obito was patched up by Oro and he joined Anbu, one explanation why he couldnt reuturn to Kakashi and Rin was that he had lost his memory, in Anbu they killed his emotions in the Root system.

There are 2 major clues that i wrote a year ago and peple still dont get.

1 is that the trademarks for the Anbu are 2 things.

1. masks.

2. variety of ninja tools.

Those are trademarks for the masked man. He was trained in Anbu. Thats how he got so good, maybe under Oro himself.


The second is that when Obito acted as Mizukage he used the exact same system already existing in Root in that village. SO obviously thats where he got that from, dont people get that?

A third so obvious thing is that the only jutsu that can perform the genjutsu that would control the Mizukage was the Koto Amatsukami.

We also KNOW that Danzo took Shisuis eye not long before the Mizukage was controlled. SO OBVIOUSLY DANZO HAD USED THE EYE ON THE MIZUKAGE AND OBITO WAS COLLABORATING WITH HIM.

We know some people hired the Akaatsuki like the tsuchikage, Danzo would do some thing like this and he was working with Orochimaru.

lol
2 comments below i wrote something same as yours xd

Kurama was sealed throughout the duration of Obito's life, so when was the contract made (the one that Minato nullified)?

you dont need a contract to summon a tailed beast , you just need to connect with it by putting it under genjutsu . i think thats the way as we saw in manga .

 

[Clockwork]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

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[Knights Saotome]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Gift was for becoming a jonin, which happened when he was 13. You said (or somebody else idk ) that Obito was older than kakashi by 4-6 years. That would make Obito 17-19 yrs old in kakashi gaiden, which is just absurd.

obito was 17-19 when he attacked the leaf village, around 14-16 in gaiden.

 

[Champ]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

obito was 17-19 when he attacked the leaf village, around 14-16 in gaiden.

Obito was 14 when he attacked the leaf

 

[Knights Saotome]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

All this reminds me of before, when Tobi said he was Madara. People were so dead set on him being Madara, because he said so. "Why would Kishi put that in there if it wasn't true?" To **** with our heads. All the facts pointed to him not being Madara ,but persons were so insistent that he was. All you could do was agree to disagree.

It is the same here. All the facts point to Tobi NOT being Obito, yet low and behold, it is KIND OF his face. Kishi is pretty good with his facts, and a master of messing with his fans. For all we know that was Kakashi's flashback. It could be a genjutsu, we don't know. However all the facts point to him not being Obito.

fact is the whole last chapter said he is. why else would their be a random ass 13 page obito flashback? tobi=obito we were right you were wrong, dose it really bother you that much that poeple you thought were retards turned out to be smarter then you? lol grow up and accept the facts.

 

[Knights Saotome]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Obito was 14 when he attacked the leaf

says who? and dont say the data book, because for all you know he coulda used the ages of everyone at the start of shippuden, its not like people dont age. for all we know he 13 before gaiden, 15 in gaiden, and 17 during tha attack on the leaf, i fail to see where it was determined, by kishi, how old they were at what point.