Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[6PathsofKami]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Absolutly fcking agree with you +rep ignore the ignorant fools.

We got a while chapter showing Obito flashback what else do you fcking want it is Obito and everything will be explained.

People say he couldnt have gave Nagatao the Rinnegan well he didnt he was acting as Madara saying he have it, so it means Madara gave it not Obito.

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Don't let Kishimoto fool you its not Obito.

 

[6PathsofKami]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

One whole chapter showing Obitos flashback hell yeah it is fcking Obito stop with this BS denial

 

[yondaime4]

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well im still going for my theory saying nagato is the true possessor of his rinnegan, madara maybe his creator someway, father or experiment whatever.

just because i am sure of it.

Madara thought he was revived by Rinne Tensei. If u get revived by Rinne Tensei u are getting back to ur body as it was. So if Madara gave away his Eyes he would have know that his eyes are not missing, when he was revived. Only after Muu said its Edo tensei he was corious about it!

If anyone of u can explain me this Problem, then i will be grateful, but this is for sure a logical conclusion to say he never gave away his own eyes.

whether it rinne tensei or edo tensei if madara lost his eyes before death he will be revived without them so i assume his eyes were taken after his death just like itachi

I much as it kills me to say it,Tobi is Obito.I just went to Narutopedia and search Tobi and it redirected me to Obito Uchiha's page,now I know that site isnt official but whatever.But I guess I'm just going to deal with the fact that Tobi is Obito and NOT Izuna.I guess will have this all figured out by next chapter.

PS:I still think there a small possibility that Tobi is lying about being Obito just like he did when he said he was Madara and is actually Izuna.

tobi hasnt actually confirmed that he is obito yet, kakashi asked and he hasnt responded. personally after hearing obito talk to kakashi about making apologies at his grave i think it is obito but until he actually confirms it there is still hope for u my friend

 

[TheRealAkatsukiLeader]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

ur sig and ur words got me done a +rep

itachis words just match so fine about tobi beeing obito~ Maybe Itachi really knew it, we only can guess...

Thank you D

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

so i think that some one is control of obitos body

I believe this theory, I mean look at Orochimaru and how he soul transfers to people, and then take account of why the real revived Madara looks like he has been experimented on since he has the first hokage on his chest. Looks like Danzo or Orochimaru might have something to do with that, and we know they have ties to the Akatsuki as well.

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I see people just don't want to burst out of the delusion that Tobi is someone else than Obito. Well this is to help you face your denial, Tobi is Obito and here's a few of your claimed "plotholes" debunked.


"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.

"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato. So don't talk as if they were on the same levels.

"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what? Naruto has been cheating his way out of fights with the Kyuubi ever since he was 13. And at 16 he's mastered it to a whole different level than Obito could ever have. When you're a Uchiha and know the right jutsu to do it, what's stopping you from doing so?

"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.

"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.

"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.

"Obito would not have turned evil"
Because "turning" evil isn't a part of these series, I mean Sasuke, Nagato, Konan, and a few others didn't just decide to have their justice done against Konoha. Unless you watch this through Kishimoto's eyes where Naruto is the ultimate form of justice, there's no good and evil in these series, Konohagakure are also jerks who've been abusing of plot no jutsu since the dawn of time to dictate their rules over others, including a clan of their own, the Uchiha. There's plenty of reasons to "turn evil".

"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine. So why are you surprised that Obito somehow survived that boulder?

"Obito was unskilled"
So was Naruto and how he's completely overpowered.

... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.

EDIT: Here's some more

Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.

I didn't read it all.... But I'ma pull up one of my points. He WAS 14. -____- His birthday was Sept. 14th if you didn't know, just a few months older than Kakashi.


So, for all those who think Obito would have years to grow into his power before the Kyuubi Attack, let's do the math. Kakashi and Obito are the same age, and currently Kakashi is 30 years old. He was 13 Years old during the Battle of Kannabi Bridge. He was 14 during the Nine-Tails attack. Given his birthday (September 14) and the date of the attack (October 10), at most 13 months had passed since the Battle but most likely less.

So, would someone explain to me how Obito went from being a canon-fodder ninja to some Shinobi God capable of effortlessly wiping out multiple ANBU Squads and fighting on par with Namikaze Minato in a matter of months?

Or how Obito gave Nagato the Rinnegan when he had yet to even be born?

Or better yet, how he encouraged Yahiko to start Akatsuki when he was still rolling around with Team Minato?

Personally, if it wasn't for the fact that it clashes with established canon, I wouldn't have a problem with Tobi being Obito. He is a perfect foil to Naruto all things considered. But it seems to me that Kishi is just pulling this out of his ass right now.

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

One whole chapter showing Obitos flashback hell yeah it is fcking Obito stop with this BS denial

Did you notice how theyre was almost no speaking in that chapter just images. Looks can be deceiving.

When he says I'm Obito I'll be a believer, until then ill wait for a good explanation instead of ur assumptions. I bring up the facts, u speculate.

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

If it is Obito then someone would have had to train him which could be none other than the real Madara, who else could have taught him the seals to use the 9 tails and the knowledge he seem to have about moon eye plan.

Like I said it could be Obito but they're is alot of holes and unanswered questions that even the people that believe it is Obito can't answer.

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Idiocy runs rampant. Smh..
The whole Ch. 599 just destroyed too many canon events, messed up his own official Databook achievements, and giving abilities to those who don't have them..

If Madara actually fought the 4th Hokage, wouldn't the use of Kamui be apparent now during his battle against the Kage?

Didn't Kakashi go through the long speech of how tracker ninja worked during the Zabuza arc? Every Ninja village has them, so why didn't they dig through the rubble and destroy the body, seeing as it holds many secrets.

Like it or not, Kishimoto made some HUGE mistakes & noticeable inconsistencies. I like the idea of Tobi being Obito, don't get me wrong, but he destroyed the timeline of events. Everything can be calculated in Naruto.. It's why their ages are known & revealed in the first place.

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Itachi sure as hell seemed to think it was Madara, I find it had to believe that someone pulled a veil over his eyes.

 

[thelastshinobi]

Did any one notice Obito was like naruto when he was younger?

Oabito is 100% tobi.. Explained tight now

obito obviously lived till he was kakashis age in hiding and was able to unlock ms. When he unlocked ms he realized he was able to rewind events just like madara and other uchihas. So he made himself intangible in the other dimension and reminded time so that the rewind wouldn't affect his age because he wanted to know the truth. Thinking he was the first to be able to do such a feat he runs into madara uchiha and learns of his plans to restore the uchiha and about the rinnegan and senju DNA so he searched for nagato the dependent of the sage of the six path and gives bin the rinnegan so he can activate it.. Because tobi/obito couldn't activate it himself.. And after nagato dies which he planned he would implant it in himself. The he runs into itachi who is burden with the job of eliminating his clan so tobi/obito sympathizes with him and decides to help because he thinks that the uchicha would get in the way of th moons eye genjutsu down the road.

Tobi saw through the attacks of everyone he fought why? Because he was able to rewind events and retry things to get different results but situations such as going up against the kage he always got defeat so he decided to use akatsuki because he wasn't powerful enough to wage war on his own or collect and seal all the bijuus all alone. Obitos aim is peace just like every other character in the series good or bad and he feels that traveling through time and seeing all the different perspectives and hearing madaras view he went with madaras plan of the ultimate genjutsu to achieve peace.

The time travel theory explains why tobi/obito didn't age why he knows so many from different time periods and how he can see through ppls attacts... I believe tobi decided to travel back in time around the age that kakashi is now so events that follow come after this time period tobi/obito knows nothing about because he is basically trying to mold the future

 

[thegame]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

After the 3 legendary sanins fought Hanzo, the 2nd ninja war ended. Jiraya stayed to train nagato, yahiko, and konan. At this time we would be right to assume they were very young, since the 2nd war didn't last very long, and nagatos parents were killed during it.

So Nagato is at least 6 years older than Kakashi, since kakashi was born as the 3rd war started, which was also the war, where Sakumo did the mission, where he valued his comrades over the mission, and later comitted suicide.

Assuming Obito and Kakashi was born at the same year, this means nagato had the rinnengan before Obito was even born. This means Madara was dead before Obito was even born, since Madara died as he awakened the rinnengan. This means Obito and Madara had no direct contact, whatsoever. Kishi said Tobi and Madara knew eachother. Fact is Tobi cannot be Obito, even if the last chapter said so.

Now I'm not mad if it's Obito, but then Kishi shouldn't have said in an interview that tobi and madara knew eachother. Maybe he just trolled us, I have no idea, but still annoys me. Hopefully he didn't, and we will find out tobi isn't obito in his state of mind.

 

[rai shado]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

The anime brought in zombies, not edo's, an destroyed konoha with them, your argument is invalid. The anime is shit. I don't like that tobi is obito either, but its true.

Now as for the rinnegan problem. Madara was probably alive long enough to mentor and fix the broken Obito. I have a thread that goes over this. It was also probably Madara that gave nagato the Rinnegan, not by taking out his own eyes, but by using the power of the Rinnegan.

 

[thelastshinobi]

Tobi is the sage of the six paths, who turned into obito to mind f*ck everyone U_U

Tobi has to be able to travel through time. there is no other way he can be related to so many ppl from different time periods and still be the same guy.. There is no other explainattion unless there are 2 or three different tobis. Obito is tobi that's a fact... Toni knows everything that's also a fact and tobi is not madara that's also another fact

 

[Ziggurat]

Izuna, Izuna ,Izuna...didn't know there were so much Izuna fanboys out there, even though he appeared like only once in the manga. I sure hope he's dead and doesn't appear till the end, or we'll have another Lord on our hands pretty soon

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

After the 3 legendary sanins fought Hanzo, the 2nd ninja war ended. Jiraya stayed to train nagato, yahiko, and konan. At this time we would be right to assume they were very young, since the 2nd war didn't last very long, and nagatos parents were killed during it.

So Nagato is at least 6 years older than Kakashi, since kakashi was born as the 3rd war started, which was also the war, where Sakumo did the mission, where he valued his comrades over the mission, and later comitted suicide.

Assuming Obito and Kakashi was born at the same year, this means nagato had the rinnengan before Obito was even born. This means Madara was dead before Obito was even born, since Madara died as he awakened the rinnengan. This means Obito and Madara had no direct contact, whatsoever. Kishi said Tobi and Madara knew eachother. Fact is Tobi cannot be Obito, even if the last chapter said so.

Now I'm not mad if it's Obito, but then Kishi shouldn't have said in an interview that tobi and madara knew eachother. Maybe he just trolled us, I have no idea, but still annoys me. Hopefully he didn't, and we will find out tobi isn't obito in his state of mind.

I also wouldn't be angry if it was Obito, I would be mad that Kishimoto has made it impossible for it to be him and then try to make up some bullshit to justify him still being alive with all the knowlegde and abilites that he could most definitely not know or have when it comes to the sealing tech's and controlling the 9 tails. I originally thought it was Obito and then logic and common sense told me otherwise, now it's like opening the wound all over again after so much time has went by. I made peace with him being dead a long time ago, everyone else should too. I'm through being fooled to misleading timelines and unanswered questions that shouldn't even exist at this point.

If it does turn out to be Obito it ruins his story, he was an intriguing character and brought so much depth to Kakashi's charachter for his sacrifice and now it's like he's taking a big shit all over it.

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

The anime brought in zombies, not edo's, an destroyed konoha with them, your argument is invalid. The anime is shit. I don't like that tobi is obito either, but its true.

Now as for the rinnegan problem. Madara was probably alive long enough to mentor and fix the broken Obito. I have a thread that goes over this. It was also probably Madara that gave nagato the Rinnegan, not by taking out his own eyes, but by using the power of the Rinnegan.

Is it just me or did Madara seem unhappy when he found out that there was someone else claiming to be him.

 

[svladcjelli42]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Denying a plothole is not the same as explaining one. Obito was 14 or 15 when the Kyuubi attacked, this is backed up by the unassailable evidence of MATH. How old was Obito when he gave Nagato the Rinnegan (a plothole that the OP fails to mention)? One and a half? Not born yet?

 

[Itachi28]

Why are people getting so butthurt because of this??

This is Kishi's anima/manga. So he can do whatever the hell he wants to do with it. Everything in it is not going to go your way. And if your unsatisfied with a chapter, scene, history, flashback, or whatever it may be. You people have to accept it (not referring to everyone), because sulking over it, isn't going to change anything.

No wonder NB is starting to obtain more and more bad trolls, it must be because more and more immature kids are joining this entire forum lately. :sy:

It's not necessarily that people are "butthurt" its that Tobi being Obito does open some major plot holes that require explanations. I find with most Naruto fans are the most impatient people I've ever encountered. Every time Kishi reveals something or puts in a flashback they claim that they were trolled when in fact Kishi is just created suspense and debate among fans which causes us to keep reading.

Personally I don't think that Tobi is simply Obito, however, I will wait patiently until Kishi reveals all the secrets behind Tobi's origin. If all the plot holes are satisfied then no one can complain about the outcome.