Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[supino]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

To everyone saying obito had no reason to become evil, like whiteknight lol are you kidding? Obito was a loser, nobody cared about him, the village and his own clan likely ignored him, the girl he loved loved someone else. It was a recipe for disaster. Obito was exactly what naruto would have become if he hadnt got the will of fire/ will to never give up.

it's almost certain that kishi will throw what you say in. and it's not a bad idea, even though he will be using it for the bazillionth time, and it will help develop not just Obito's character but also Kakashi's and even Guy's. which is great, let's not forget that for years and in many forums people were complaining about important side-characters not getting enough time. so, from that perspective it's great. BUT from a more practical pov, when considering the timeline, continuity, etc... Tobi=Obito, not as great.

I will say it shortly and give some theory in it i made.
my points:
-Tobi is Obito
-Madara found Obito
-Madara never gave his own eyes away
-plotholes about strenght & wisdom filled up by madara

theories:
- Nagato got the Rinnegan by madara but not as the usual way we think. I believe Nagato is maybe Madaras Son

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some resemblence
or he is an experiment made by madara, fusing uzumaki & Uchiha clan together to achive the rinnegan powers without stupid dna test.
-Madara would be alive even at Obitos Time
-Madara knew about Nagatos Rinnegan this way and marking his abilitys for him as his "producer"
-Telling Obito to wait the attack on konoha until his revival by nagato
-Obito betrayed madara and rushed things without waiting...as we know tobi everytime rushes things like the yuubi without getting the whole power of the left jinchuriki, so he rushed also the attack on konoha
-Thats why obito is afraid of madara, well its kinda betraying isnt it?

like, +rep. bold parts: agree 100%, underlined: really interesting, but not so sure about Madara having a kid with a non-Uchiha. plus he is sexist. unless, his wife beat him up first...xd
(when was it shown that Obito/Tobi is afraid of Madara? maybe, he is...)

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

it never said tobi is obito , there is no proof until next chapter

THIS...

 

[Higekage]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

The important thing isn't when Obito invaded though, it's who the **** trained him so that he became so powerful if not Madara. Could it really be Zetsu?

And yes it said Tobi is Obito, clearly did. Stop denying it.

 

[Kurogane]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

And you can't possibly be right.

see what I did there?

What makes you think you're right?
You're one of those people who don't know what logic is.

Moron

 

[Armathyx]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Boy when next chapter comes out and Obito isn't 14 during the 9 tails attack, I'm gonna trololo the hell out of yall. I bet Kishi is gonna make him 20 regardless of it making "sense" to fanboys or not.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

You consider that to be a valid excuse for all the plotholes and inconsistencies in the manga? Just because it's shounen manga doesn't mean he can shit on timeline and plot.

Who decides the standard of inconsistency and timeline? Couple of random dudes on the net? Honestly the manga never stresses the age of characters like posters here do.

 

[Armathyx]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Yeah Kishi never said Kakashi was 30, it was all people's assumptions. He looks more like 35 to me.

 

[TheMegaNasser]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

You, sir, are the best.

 

[venuboppudi]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Noooooooosee my super theory

 

[venuboppudi]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Noooooooo, see my super theory

 

[Maziasz1981]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

What if Obito is from a different time?
He could master Space time ninjutsu in the future and goin back win naruto was born. That would give him about 16 to 17 yrs to master space time ninjustus.
That also how he know so much.

 

[supino]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Yeah Kishi never said Kakashi was 30, it was all people's assumptions. He looks more like 35 to me.

it's in the databooks! databooks are made by the mangaka...

 

[GIMV]

I'd say Obito is currently Tobi, but wasn't during the time of Tobi's attack on Konoha and probably on several other occasions.

I think Madara was Tobi back then.

It must have been Obito when Konoha was attacked by Kyuubi since he had space-time ninjutsu so it was Obito's eye.

 

[The Only Shinobi]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

I just wanna say its obito face an eye but its not him completly soul reason hes been blown up a few times like konan fight how he restore himself think he might hav a zetsu in him, an as for mask man im thinking its a idea maybe it was madara first then passed down to maybe kagami he disappered, then maybe who ever this obito is this is my idea, when fighting 4th this could of been a Zetsu who copy him an took the eye so the obito now might be a zetsu with obito eye

 

[supino]

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I wonder why Kurama was shocked and said "You...!" as if he knew Obito, and how did he know him? when did they meet? ...I hope that much are going to be explained.

one of the many things that need to be explained....

also... since Obito survived and he is an Uchiha, this means Sasuke is not the only survivor, and maybe that if Kakashi, Guy and Naruto try to kill him they are by extension aiding in the Uchiha extermination? xd

 

[yellowxflash]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

he obviously isn't the mask coming of is the first phase in the revealing of tobi surely kishi wouldn't waste all this time just for tobi to be the first character people thought of...just far to obvious and a cop out

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

no he is obito why? the chapter name is obito uchiha,the manga says he is obito,he says that kakashi is words but no actions means that he promised him to protect rin but he failed,obito says that he wants to make a world that heroes=kakashi the hero of the sharingan dont make pitfull excuses infront of graves=rin can you see now why he is obito still there are alot of more evidences!!

 

[Pain saga]

also a member from his team taunts him for being an idiot and powerless incredible resemblance !!!

 

[Chatte]

its not 100% he just said You..! it could also be that he thought it was madara...he never saw tobis face, so me as Kuruma would automaticaly think its madara the one who tried this shit on me last time...also this flashback of Obito, won't make any sense, if it is not Obitos mind there, it is much more climatic to show us why he became the oppsite then to give the reason yo bro another soul in here haha trolled you~

Also its not logical...Madara could not put izuna soul into obitos body, when he really died giving nagato his rinnegan. Also why should he not revive Izuna full Body only to put a Soul into Obitos body, this wont make any sense at all~

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im still believing its Obito, and that Nagato may be Madaras son~ this resemblence *-*

The resemblance is with the 4th Kazekage as well, only different type of eyes.
Say "You!" directly implies that Kyuubi recognized him, but we can't tell it was Madara as before always Kyuubi had reffered to Madara as Madara Uchiha.
That why I said, because he never saw Tobi's face but he recognized him by a single look in the eyes and could also leave the possibility as I have stated before.
I mean, why leave things unclear of a specific moment when about the other times Kishi was specifical when it came to Madara? How do we know that it wasn't a possibility of someone else to be related to Madara that would know the Kyuubi. Before the fight with Hashirama, Madara had the Kyuubi in possesion and it was clearly stated that until Izuna supposedly died, they did everything together. This could be as well a thing done together.

Why isn't logical when this could be explained through a jutsu that Kishi could further explain? Tobi was the one who gave Nagato the Rinnegan and I already explained how this could've been done:


Fought Hashirama -> Got Rinnegan -> Took some Hashirama DNA -> Saw that time is passing by and he is getting close to his end -> Made Zetsu -> Used RinneTensei to bring back Izuna -> Entrusted them the plan (the plan is understandable that includes giving the rinnegan to Nagato) -> Died safely knowing he will be later revived. With the given data until now, timeline matches.

Why Izuna to chose Tobi and how would he know Obito? Simple. Zetsu info on everything gathered. Zetsu got Obito's body. Izuna took it as probably from the RinneTensei his body wsn't in a good state(?) nad used Obito's body.
If you look when Itachi seeks his help, he doesn't recommend himself as Tobi. Later on he would use the idea for creating a bigger pshycological impact on his rivals.

Izuna might have had problems with his body before, for example being blind. How could he possibly get unblinded if RinneTensei brings you back how you were before dieing?

Before dieing Izuna gave his eyes to Madara and thus, upon revival, he was brought blind. It was logical they needed a body.
And is well known that not any type of body supports the sharingan. What other good body than a Uchiha one (Obito's).

How else better to hide the reasons behind Izuna collecting sharingans, when they're stories (Izuna's and Obito's) match perfectly?
At first you would think that Obito were to collect Sharingans because what happened to him. Perfect cover to hide Izuna because his reason would be the same. He gave the eyes to his brother and now needed new ones.

 

[Amelius]

6. Just because tobi revealed himself to be Obito people seem to forget some vital information in the previous chapter. In 598 kakashi asked where Tobi got his sharingan. Tobi said he obtained it at the kannabi bridge. If it was Obito why would he say he obtained it? It would be his own sharingan! This supports the two Tobi theory and supports somebody controlling Obito's body.

If you also remember, Tobi/Obito said he wasnt afraid of the borrowed power kakashi has! why would he say borrowed if he was doing the same in borrowing Obitos eye?