Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[Eastbay510]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Obito is Tobi. Tobi is Obito. Deal with it!,:flaw:

 

[LifelessKyuubi]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

It is obitos body obviously & his eye .. obviously but its not his mind obito was good willed even with training from madara he couldn't control kurama & fight minato maybe it happened like this maybe madara has an ability to split like muu died at hashirama fight escaped to restore himself & eventually got too old he kept tranferring from host to host like orochimaru until he found obitos body which he found to be perfect for his plans some kinda justu let his body "combine" with his causing his body to grow up more quickly & ablilities increase sooner just a guess looking at it now I'm on the fence with my own theory lol but jus sayin or same situation minus hashi fight but izuna instead

 

[soulreaper11]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

All I know is this want 5 questions answers before this manga is done.
1.How did obito give nagato the reinngan when nagato is older than him and meet him when nagato was a child?
2.How did obito meet madara?
3.How did obito know so much about the history when he is only 29 years old?
4.How do obito look like a grown man when he fought minato when he is kakashi age and at that time 16 years ago he 13 years old.
5.Who is really the strongest hokage?

 

[SSJ3Gotenks]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

It dosent matter if he was younger or older he and kakashi was the same age and kakashi grew up big time don't care if it was one year or three years he was bigger plus when the attack happen with the nine tails itachi was young holding sauske itachi looked at least 5to7 years younger than kakashi do when itachi killed the Uchiha and kisame was recruited by Tobi it would have been years later from the 9tails attack and tobi would could have been strong enough to control the mizukage. Or since tobi did say his form is not complete so izuma could have somehow taken control of obitos body with knowledge of the uchiha to make a perfect body with shiringan and rinnegan but the knowledge of the eyes were in the Uchiha headquarters

Exactly he was the same age as Kakashi and Kakashi and Guy both were young adults during the Kyuubi attack that Obito started(man it feels good to finally say that)

ANd to the idiot thats been spouting about the war ending 17 years ago and the Kanabi bridge a year before that! How do you know the Kanabi bridge incident happened exactly one year before the end of the war that timeline was never given so there was plenty of time for him to train with Madara. Also if you remember correctly Nagato thing happened at the close of the war so depending on how long it actually was Obito could have been the one to give Nagato the Rinnegan

 

[wildstorm]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

well,
My guess is that obito did die that night. & Oruchimaru took obito's body & its his soul currently inside obito.
& it was oru who fought Minato during nine-tails attack.

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

I honestly don't know what to think about all this. But it is looking like tobi really is obito right now, but there all still too many plot holes to be sure.

 

[klikzord]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

After this, the final villain is Madara and this guy is just a pawn.

Madara recruited Nagato ( gave him the rinnegan) , after that, he saves Obito to use him.

I´m 100% Certain that the real Madara is going to be the next big villian.

 

[Arsenicpop]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

After this, the final villain is Madara and this guy is just a pawn.

Madara recruited Nagato ( gave him the rinnegan) , after that, he saves Obito to use him.

I´m 100% Certain that the real Madara is going to be the next big villian.

Did ya'll forget about Orochimaru?

 

[Arsenicpop]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

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I think these kids just look at the pretty pictures, and not actually read what it says. Look at the lower left hand section of the page.

 

[niknika]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Ever thought he put plot holes to hide his identidy?

They are still holes nonetheless. It's gonna take some serious fixing, and if I feel that he gave it anything less than a 100% after that shocking revelation, to try and fix it, I quit. It's a shame. I've been following naruto since 2001 . That was one of my childhood manga. And then anime. I don't want it to have an easy fix for the mistakes kishi made. E.g obits was saved and lived on, then traveled back in time etc... Will be a cheap, played, way out. Or something like oros body possession tech... I want kishi to give his best, to make us fans see WHY he chose Obito to be Tobi.
P.S since there are too many plotholes, for now it's impossible for tobi to be the Obito we knew, so I'm not accepting, until something new is revealed. Never been a "tobi to" hater either

 

[niknika]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

It dosent matter if he was younger or older he and kakashi was the same age and kakashi grew up big time don't care if it was one year or three years he was bigger plus when the attack happen with the nine tails itachi was young holding sauske itachi looked at least 5to7 years younger than kakashi do when itachi killed the Uchiha and kisame was recruited by Tobi it would have been years later from the 9tails attack and tobi would could have been strong enough to control the mizukage. Or since tobi did say his form is not complete so izuma could have somehow taken control of obitos body with knowledge of the uchiha to make a perfect body with shiringan and rinnegan but the knowledge of the eyes were in the Uchiha headquarters

Dude, yagura happened way before uchiha massacre, and before nine tails attack. Obito shouldnthave even been tobi yet. Only possible explanation? I've got anyway muliplee tobis, ... Tbis is an entity that takes over bodies,... And time travel. If any of the three come to fruition, I'm quitting naruto for real though

 

[Cassosphere]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Quick question... when Obito showd kisame his face, kisame sayed oh so its you... he seemed to know him? how is that possible?

 

[niknika]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

All I know is this want 5 questions answers before this manga is done.
1.How did obito give nagato the reinngan when nagato is older than him and meet him when nagato was a child?
2.How did obito meet madara?
3.How did obito know so much about the history when he is only 29 years old?
4.How do obito look like a grown man when he fought minato when he is kakashi age and at that time 16 years ago he 13 years old.
5.Who is really the strongest hokage?

I hate this answer but look up Kessler from Infamous. You'll get your answer. Please do that and you'll be like, I see it
I believe 1st.

 

[Taka4678]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Im pretty sure next chapter their will be an explanation. After all kishi did yank alot of chains and yeah a lot of stuff seems impossible the way it was put throught the whole anime.

 

[niknika]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Exactly he was the same age as Kakashi and Kakashi and Guy both were young adults during the Kyuubi attack that Obito started(man it feels good to finally say that)

ANd to the idiot thats been spouting about the war ending 17 years ago and the Kanabi bridge a year before that! How do you know the Kanabi bridge incident happened exactly one year before the end of the war that timeline was never given so there was plenty of time for him to train with Madara. Also if you remember correctly Nagato thing happened at the close of the war so depending on how long it actually was Obito could have been the one to give Nagato the Rinnegan

Well sir, I believe insults are used when the persons degenerated brain cells are incapable of producing a decent response. It's basic math you see. Kana I bridge happened when kakashi was 12. Kyuubi attack happened when kakashi was a teen, around 14-15. Itachi became a pacifist because he experienced war firsthand. Itachi was 5-6 years old when kyuubi invaded. By then war was over. A person starts remembering, when he/she turns 3-4. Now you have a problem. Do the math and you'll see. And calling me names will not make you seem cool just so you know.

 

[pacifist fighter]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

As the title says,I think that Tobi can't be Obito,because there are too many plot holes.

First of all,Tobi was controlling the mizukage,when Obito wasn't even born or was very little.(You might say that the one controlling the mizukage was Madara,which may be true).

Let's say that Obito was saved by Zetsu and trained by Madara,that still doesn't explain how he got so powerful,knew everything and learned about Kurama and how to control it.And if I remember corectly,he said when he was taking out Kurama from Kushina that he waited a long time for this.How is this possible when he was like 14?And his voice changed so much after just a year.A year before he was a little kid that could be beaten by Rin,and after a year he went toe-to-toe with Minato,the fourth hokage.

So,in my opinion,someone uses Obito's body and controlles it.What are your thoughts?

dam man, i hope someone is controling him, i feel like some inception shit is gonna happen next week, that will blow everyone away.

 

[RikuoAmero]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Exactly he was the same age as Kakashi and Kakashi and Guy both were young adults during the Kyuubi attack that Obito started(man it feels good to finally say that)

ANd to the idiot thats been spouting about the war ending 17 years ago and the Kanabi bridge a year before that! How do you know the Kanabi bridge incident happened exactly one year before the end of the war that timeline was never given so there was plenty of time for him to train with Madara. Also if you remember correctly Nagato thing happened at the close of the war so depending on how long it actually was Obito could have been the one to give Nagato the Rinnegan

We know more or less exactly when Kannabi Bridge happened from the official databooks. Kakashi is 26-27 years at the start of the Naruto anime and manga, when Naruto graduates from the Academy. Naruto himself is 12-13 at the time. So subtract 13 years from Kakashi's 27. That gives us 14. Kakashi was thus 14 years old at the time of Naruto's birth. At most, Naruto's birth and Tobi attempting to steal the Kyuubi happens nine months beforehand, because Kakashi Gaiden showed us that Kakashi became a Jonin at age thirteen. They specifically say 13. Which is not a lot of time for Obito to suddenly jump from not good enough to fight against a Chuunin ranked Might Guy to fighting on equal terms with the Fourth Hokage. Other characters have been shown to be prodigious, like Itachi, Kakashi and Naruto...but remember, those characters showed a more or less consistent amount of time for their increase in skills. We know that Obito isn't one of them, that at best he was an average ninja.

 

[Javersa15]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

the only reason ima say tobi is obito is because they were spelled using the same letters...the only thing i dont get is where the hell did obito find the time to learn everything he did and commit all of those crimes he must have met someone who knows everything...maybe orochimaru played a big role in all this

 

[pacifist fighter]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Quick question... when Obito showd kisame his face, kisame sayed oh so its you... he seemed to know him? how is that possible?

one of the many holes, im confused about that too, i guess a convenient answer would be genjustsu

 

[Fhayr]

"Tobi" = entity using bodies; too many Obito plotholes

There's too many plot holes for Tobi to just be Obito.

What we 100% know about Tobi:

• He has a connection to Madara Uchiha, and only he and Zetu know exactly who Tobi is. Madara was also long dead before Obito was even born.
• He/Him and Zetsu are profound in Medical Ninjitsu and are able to transform/repair bodies. Throughout the series, Tobi has shown his prowess in maintaining Sharingans/transferring them.
• He knows how to control the Nine Tails and the Kyuubi recognises "him"/"his" chakra, chapter 501, page 8.
• He gave the Rinnegan to Nagato. Nagato is considerably older than Kakashi/Gai etc, and he "unlocked" "his" Rinnegan as an infant, meaning that Obito wouldn't have even been born.
• He controlled the Fourth Mizukage, and had a considerably different look. Obito would have been around the suitable age to do this, but his Madara-esque hairstyle, and his connection with Madara himself just seems odd.
• He is using the body and eye of/he is Obito Uchiha.

We know that Obito's body was crushed, to what we thought was irreparable condition, but it's clear that his body has been repaired by Zetsu/whatever Tobi might be.

There might not be a plot hole in the age of "Tobi"/Obito when he fought Minato, but the question is why did "Tobi"/Obito attack the hidden leaf that night? He refers to Minato as "you people", which I think would refer to those in relation to the Senju Clan.

It makes sense that the entire purpose of "Tobi" taking the Kyuubi and attacking Konoha, was to:

• Attack Konoha with the Nine Tails, making Konoha's leadership fearful and oppressive of the Uchiha Clan that "betrayed" him, thus rekindling the "curse of hatred".
• Manipulate visually-weak leaders of the Uchiha to plan a coup d'etat, thus resulting in Kohona attacking and massacring the clan.
• Meet with, or manipulate, Danzo and convince him into sending his most loyal, side-neutral ANBU member into slaughtering the clan.
• Rid the world of the Uchiha clan, thus resulting in none possessing the visual prowess to break through "Infinite Tsukuyomi".

I can only assume at this point that Obito's consciousness is gone, and that whatever/whoever Tobi is has lived for a very, very long time; or, god forbid, Obito has a time travel Ninjutsu.

This might have been a waste of time, considering that with the next chapter being the 600th, all might be revealed/explained. But I'll say one thing for sure.

If you think that this chapter 100% undoubtedly confirms that Tobi and Obito are, and have always been, the same person, then you are just a blind Obito fanboy.

Nothing is set in stone yet until Kishi explains everything; but what do know is that whoever Tobi is, he's using Obito's body and eye.