Tobi/Kakasi Kamui Theory.

[Synister.]

LssjBroly sent me , and I have got to admit ..I'm impressed with this thread , Excellent observation man , +Rep ..nice theory , you had me thinking in depth ! .

thanks, its good to think in depth sometimes xd

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Well everyone should kno this even with out this thread being made.

 

[NLee]

I don't recall him explaining that distance is a part of it :shrug:
Oh well yeah you're right he explains it well

He didn't have to. It was implied in his explanation.

 

[Negative Knight]

Your theory is greatly supported by the recent events in the latest manga chapters e.g. the Kunai which warped and scratched tobi + the Rasengan that hit Tobi by being warped at the same time as his demateralization

However there are many mysteries that surround the warping e.g. how did Deidara's arm return in such a random way ?

I agree with your theory as the dimension could very well be the same as the dimension in reality meaning Kakashi doing Kamui on Deidara's C0 could reach a dematerialized Tobi from quite a range but a Kunai would be lost forever.

 

[Synister.]

Your theory is greatly supported by the recent events in the latest manga chapters e.g. the Kunai which warped and scratched tobi + the Rasengan that hit Tobi by being warped at the same time as his demateralization

However there are many mysteries that surround the warping e.g. how did Deidara's arm return in such a random way ?

I agree with your theory as the dimension could very well be the same as the dimension in reality meaning Kakashi doing Kamui on Deidara's C0 could reach a dematerialized Tobi from quite a range but a Kunai would be lost forever.

Yes, exactly, and like i said in my theory, i think that Kakashi's Kamui at the time just wasnt strong enough to make Deidara'a arm stay in the other dimension, and so it fell back to the normal demension and Deidara later found it, but like i said thats just my theory on that subject

 

[zoezoe]

nice theory

 

[Synister.]

nice theory

Thanks, glad you likes it

 

[Negative Knight]

Yes, exactly, and like i said in my theory, i think that Kakashi's Kamui at the time just wasnt strong enough to make Deidara'a arm stay in the other dimension, and so it fell back to the normal demension and Deidara later found it, but like i said thats just my theory on that subject

Yeah though its still a mystery how Kamui needs maintance to keep something warped to another dimension but then again Tobi can only demateralize for 5 mins so that greatly aids your theory e.g. Kamui only teleports temporarily and so does Tobi's dematerlization up to a maximum of five minutes

Ok so that's hole in the theory solved

But the same thing with Fuu and Torune when Tobi sucked them in, he kidnapped them at Danzo vs Sasuke but managed to retrieve them in a completely different location

how does that work ?

 

[Synister.]

Yeah though its still a mystery how Kamui needs maintance to keep something warped to another dimension but then again Tobi can only demateralize for 5 mins so that greatly aids your theory e.g. Kamui only teleports temporarily and so does Tobi's dematerlization up to a maximum of five minutes

Ok so that's hole in the theory solved

But the same thing with Fuu and Torune when Tobi sucked them in, he kidnapped them at Danzo vs Sasuke but managed to retrieve them in a completely different location

how does that work ?

I tried looking for the chapter when Tobi brings them back to the normal dimension, to see if he said anything, but i could not find it,

But ill say what i think happened, which goes with the theory that im trying to explain,

I think Tobi took Fuu and Torune somewhere away from where he first put them in the other dimension, so that when he reappeared in the normal dimension, they were in a different area than where he originally took them from, which was at the Bridge where Sasuke and Danzou fought.

Understand what i mean?

Lets say this, if you are standing by a car, and then you teleport to the other dimension and walk 1 mile south and then reappear in the normal dimension, you will be 1 mile south from the car.

Was that a better example?

 

[Negative Knight]

I tried looking for the chapter when Tobi brings them back to the normal dimension, to see if he said anything, but i could not find it,

But ill say what i think happened, which goes with the theory that im trying to explain,

I think Tobi took Fuu and Torune somewhere away from where he first put them in the other dimension, so that when he reappeared in the normal dimension, they were in a different area than where he originally took them from, which was at the Bridge where Sasuke and Danzou fought.

Understand what i mean?

Lets say this, if you are standing by a car, and then you teleport to the other dimension and walk 1 mile south and then reappear in the normal dimension, you will be 1 mile south from the car.

Was that a better example?

Don't worry i get what you meant however he's only allowed to be there or a maximum of 5 minutes to retrieve the, unless he placed them ready prior the conversation with Kabuto which wouldn't make sense as he couldn't possibly anticipate him needing bodies for the ritual

That's still a big mystery in how Tobi's dimensional technique works

However i get what you mean overall, when Obito possess both of his eyes the compliment each other similar to a relationship with Sasuke's Blaze Release (one relinquishing the flames and the other creating them) with his dimensional techniques warping other's or warping yourself more or less. But when the eyes are used separately and against each other in different individuals they counter act each other perfectly.

Not to mention why can Tobi demateralize for a maximum of 5 minutes but he can keep Fuu and Torune for a limitless time, also why does Kamui have a time limt as shown with the Deidara fight ?

 

[Synister.]

Don't worry i get what you meant however he's only allowed to be there or a maximum of 5 minutes to retrieve the, unless he placed them ready prior the conversation with Kabuto which wouldn't make sense as he couldn't possibly anticipate him needing bodies for the ritual

That's still a big mystery in how Tobi's dimensional technique works

However i get what you mean overall, when Obito possess both of his eyes the compliment each other similar to a relationship with Sasuke's Blaze Release (one relinquishing the flames and the other creating them) with his dimensional techniques warping other's or warping yourself more or less. But when the eyes are used separately and against each other in different individuals they counter act each other perfectly.

Not to mention why can Tobi demateralize for a maximum of 5 minutes but he can keep Fuu and Torune for a limitless time, also why does Kamui have a time limt as shown with the Deidara fight ?

Well as for why Kamui has a time limit, that may have something to do with chakra, like the longer he uses it, the more and more chakra Kakashi has to use to keep it going, the amount of chakra neccesary may multiply over time, like if you use it continuously.

That also may be the same for Tobi, being over in the other Dimension may be slowly draining his chakra and in the course of 5 minutes the amount needed to stay there may have multiplied to an amount impossible for him to put out.

My other theory for Tobi being able to be there for only 5 minutes might be that the user, can only be there for a certain amount of time, that time being 5 minutes.

Or it could be both those theories put together in a way, like only the user has to use chakra to stay in that dimension, but people that were brought there by Tobi, can be left there as long as they want, or they may also have a limit of how long they can be there to.

 

[Negative Knight]

Well as for why Kamui has a time limit, that may have something to do with chakra, like the longer he uses it, the more and more chakra Kakashi has to use to keep it going, the amount of chakra neccesary may multiply over time, like if you use it continuously.

That also may be the same for Tobi, being over in the other Dimension may be slowly draining his chakra and in the course of 5 minutes the amount needed to stay there may have multiplied to an amount impossible for him to put out.

My other theory for Tobi being able to be there for only 5 minutes might be that the user, can only be there for a certain amount of time, that time being 5 minutes.

Or it could be both those theories put together in a way, like only the user has to use chakra to stay in that dimension, but people that were brought there by Tobi, can be left there as long as they want, or they may also have a limit of how long they can be there to.

I agree, especially with the last part

Tobi when he fully demateralizes but remains in reality can only be there or a maximum of 5 minutes because he sent his body away though not his actual presence, maybe he's allowed to stay in the other dimension as long as he wants when he teleports there along with his presence e.g. when he was with Sasuke and Karin or in a way similar to Fuu and Torune

So basically sending his body parts has a time limit, but teleporting his entire existence to his "universe" doesn't.

Any ideas on how Tobi's alt universe exists/was created ?

 

[Synister.]

I agree, especially with the last part

Tobi when he fully demateralizes but remains in reality can only be there or a maximum of 5 minutes because he sent his body away though not his actual presence, maybe he's allowed to stay in the other dimension as long as he wants when he teleports there along with his presence e.g. when he was with Sasuke and Karin or in a way similar to Fuu and Torune

So basically sending his body parts has a time limit, but teleporting his entire existence to his "universe" doesn't.

Any ideas on how Tobi's alt universe exists/was created ?

Well about the part were you said that, if he sent his whole presence and not just body part, then he can stay there for as long as he wants, the only thing i have to ask is, why didnt he just do that against Konan instead of using izanagi?

And how the other dimension was created?

Well, i think that is just like another form of the normal dimension, but the landscape is different.

Lets put it like this if you were to be in the other dimension and you used a GPS it would tell you your coordinates and then if you warp back to the normal dimension, the GPS would tell you that you are at the same coordinates.

But as to how it was created like who made it? I think it was always there but only the people with S/T powers can get there, i think that if someone else came along with the ability to go to other dimension they also would be able to go to that dimension.

But thats just what i think, i dont think that its a dimension only accesable to Tobi and Kakashi.

But then again, im trying to think with some kind of logic and in the anime world there sometimes is no logic xd

 

[Negative Knight]

Well about the part were you said that, if he sent his whole presence and not just body part, then he can stay there for as long as he wants, the only thing i have to ask is, why didnt he just do that against Konan instead of using izanagi?

And how the other dimension was created?

Well, i think that is just like another form of the normal dimension, but the landscape is different.

Lets put it like this if you were to be in the other dimension and you used a GPS it would tell you your coordinates and then if you warp back to the normal dimension, the GPS would tell you that you are at the same coordinates.

But as to how it was created like who made it? I think it was always there but only the people with S/T powers can get there, i think that if someone else came along with the ability to go to other dimension they also would be able to go to that dimension.

But thats just what i think, i dont think that its a dimension only accesable to Tobi and Kakashi.

But then again, im trying to think with some kind of logic and in the anime world there sometimes is no logic xd

tbh the Konan bit is easily explained, he has to fully materialize to do it and he can't really do that in a sea of 6 Billion Explosions

Yeah i guess we can't speculate on dimension's creation

Anything else you wanna discuss about your theory ?

 

[Synister.]

tbh the Konan bit is easily explained, he has to fully materialize to do it and he can't really do that in a sea of 6 Billion Explosions

Yeah i guess we can't speculate on dimension's creation

Anything else you wanna discuss about your theory ?

Oh yeah thats right they were already exploding xd

And no i think we kind of covered everything, good talk xd

 

[b1azeph0en1x]

Seriously Tobi should have gotten Deidara's arm at the other dimension. It would seriously go to the other dimension with the Kamui, just as Kakashi did with Deidara's suicide bomb thing...

 

[b1azeph0en1x]

Well anyway Mr. Yellow Flash Of Konoha... your theory is wrong...

 

[Synister.]

Well anyway Mr. Yellow Flash Of Konoha... your theory is wrong...

Its just a theory, i never said it was right, its just what i think

 

[The God of Wind]

Arm? it was a little piece of his elbow, his arm was never warped, the elbow was ripped out into the other dimension and his arm fell to the ground where he found it later.

but yes i think distance is definitely a factor

 

[Synister.]

Arm? it was a little piece of his elbow, his arm was never warped, the elbow was ripped out into the other dimension and his arm fell to the ground where he found it later.

but yes i think distance is definitely a factor

Your right , i re-read that part and what you said is right it was just around his elbow like he says here,

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But i was just using that as an example to explain what i was saying anyway, ive made other examples in this thread.