[Theory] Tobi is Hashirama

[IllusionRamen]

hmmm I applaud the effort for such long thread, but I still can't agree with you after reading the theory.

So I have to respecfully disagree... sorry

Hashirama should have no motive to put everyone in genjutsu, and work with madara.
where is the will of fire in that ? there are just too much hole in everything.

just wait, hopefully in time tobi will reveal the mask.
or perhaps next chapter naruto can take it off.

 

[UzumakiChencho]

i remember when tobi was taking the nine tails out of kushina and kurama said " You " like if he knows him so i agree with you +rep

 

[Smite]

- Madara wishes he can teach Hashirama to revive from the grave using Edo Tensei, so he could become immortal and as powerful as Madara. Nothing states Madara acknowledges Hashirama dead, he refers to Tobi as "him" and refers to Hashirama as "him". He doesn't want to state Hahsirama nor Tobi's name, I wonder why. xD

- Half of Hashirama soul is sealed away.

- Hashirama Will of Fire nonsense is a lie, he's a liar and manipulator; he is Tobi. The Uchiha Clan did absolutely nothing until the Kurama incident, he instigated a fight and the termination of Uchiha Clan. Why would a Uchiha want to kill his own Clan, only a Senju would want Uchiha dead. xD

 

[NinjutsuSeeker]

coolo theory. Better than an obito theory

 

[SSS12]

Interesting theory. Fresh perspective.

 

[ThirdHokage]

"Tobi even states Hashirama never stolen his brothers eyes but were given to him" must be a topo! e.e

 

[RavingNeko]

i read the whooole thing and i somewhat agree with u in some parts, but tobi is a bad person. i mean he wants to basically take over the world. i dont see how hashirama could be that kind of a person

 

[Smite]

"Tobi even states Madara never stolen his brothers eyes but were given to him" must be a topo! e.e

Fixed.

 

[Smite]

i read the whooole thing and i somewhat agree with u in some parts, but tobi is a bad person. i mean he wants to basically take over the world. i dont see how hashirama could be that kind of a person

Madara and Uchiha Clan have been called evil, but yet they really haven't done anything evil. Madara could've attacked leaf like Tobi, but instead he fought Hashirama 1 vs 1. Tobi however attacks leaf and kills innocent people, he shows absolutely no care for any Uchiha. Therefore Tobi couldn't be a Uchiha, if he were a Senju he could've only be the strongest Senju ever. The only known Senju to have so much knowledge of Uchiha and Madara, and even have so much of Hashirama DNA.

 

[Devo]

Awesome theory. +rep!!!

It can be possible by the facts you have given, and i would say it is more likely may be Hashirama, coz Kishi is a troll and will reveal the most unexpected thing out, and that will be hashi

 

[RavingNeko]

Madara and Uchiha Clan have been called evil, but yet they really haven't done anything evil. Madara could've attacked leaf like Tobi, but instead he fought Hashirama 1 vs 1. Tobi however attacks leaf and kills innocent people, he shows absolutely no care for any Uchiha. Therefore Tobi couldn't be a Uchiha, if he were a Senju he could've only be the strongest Senju ever. The only known Senju to have so much knowledge of Uchiha and Madara, and even have so much of Hashirama DNA.

well you have a point there. i just dont think this could be true. but then again i didnt think orochimaru being revived was gonna be true and yet here he is. what youre saying could be true. we'll see

 

[Red Swag]

i like thiss theorryy bro. however..... hashirama was an edo and got sealed by the 3rd. so fuk it lolllll.

but i like this better than fukin izuna or zetsu clones and shit cuz theres no surprise in it. get it? fuk it

 

[Smite]

Up until the Orochimaru incident no one could ever thought this, but since we know the soul can be split apart and still roam the land while other is in spiritual world or sealed away. We could only come to conclusion, Tobi is Hashirama.

 

[Armathyx]

This is a very good theory, whoever didn't read, should.

But I'll tell you this, I really wish Kishimoto was as smart as you are. Sadly he isn't, his style is still way too limited (heroes don't die, whoever opposes Konoha is "evil", and so on).

If what you say is true, it would be an epic twist in the series, it would be fantastic. I really hope it does happen, but I just can't imagine Kishi doing something this great.

And also I have one question to this, why didn't Tobi use mokuton so far, then? His ultimate goal is to use that infinite Tsukuyomi, so by now it wouldn't matter if he revealed himself or not.

 

[Third Sage]

Furthermore he's highly praised and loved by Konoha shinobi, and teacher of Hiruzen Saurtobi; God of Uchiha.

I didn't understand this. Have you reffered to Hiruzen as a God of Uchiha?

And states he'll be revived by a boy named Nagato, and tells Madara the secrets to Rinnegan and the world.

What makes you think that Hashirama would know more about Rinnegan than Madara himself?

Question: Who in the world could face off Minato and survive?
Question: Who in the world could gather all 5 villages for a war?
Question: Who in the world could use Rinnegan strong enough to control multiple Jinchuuriki and Bijuu?
Question: Who in the world could control Kurama?
Question: Who in the world could know so much about Konohagakure, Uchiha Clan, and all the famous shinobi of Konohagakure?
Question: Who in the world would say so much information about Uchiha Clan, but so little information about the Senju Clan?

1. Minato is one of my favorite characters but there's quite a few shinobi able to take him down.
2. This is the Fourth Shinobi World War. Who started previous three wars?
3. Hashirama is successor of the younger son, not the older one. His heritage are Sage's powerful will and pyshical energy. Why would he want the Rinnegan?
4. Except its Jinchuurikis, we'll never find out.. Kurama is too vain and proud to let us know.
5. Every Konoha's shinobi interested in his village's history.
6. Maybe Izuna? Kagami? Obito? They are all Uchiha, so they supposedly know more about their own clan than some other.

 

[Smite]

Tobi has been seen using Earth Release, which is one element Hashirama holds. He hasn't been seen using Wood Release, for a few reasons. Time-Space jutsu is bad ass enough, and if he put so much effort hiding his identity. Using Wood Release would pretty much blow his cover, and if he lied about being Madara I think he's lying about his plan. This isn't a children cartoon, the bad guy doesn't shout out his entire plan to everyone. And then the good guy stops him and saves the world, he's a liar and is hiding something obviously. And I doubt he's cocky and so confident to believe he wont be stopped, so he can just say his plans. Because they just lost all edo's and Kabuto was captured. @ Armathyx

I know my theory has some typos, but it's safe to say you can use the power of assumptions to fix the typos. My questions are valid and instead of taking the defensive and answering every single of your questions, let me send a fast ball at you and everyone.

Tobirama invented Edo Tensei, only he could possibly know the downside and counters to it. How in the world would Madara know it? Hmm, maybe Tobi aka Hashirama Senju the brother of Tobirama Senju knew it? And told Madara Uchiha the secrets of Edo Tensei, so if he someone ever used it on him he could break free? And so his plans on using Madara wouldn't be ruined?

 

[SashaUchiha]

Edo Tensei Can not work if a soul is sealed away, correct? Orochimaru soul was sealed away in Sussano'o statue, but he was revived by Sasuke because part of his subconscious mind; soul was sealed in his mark for Anko(giving her purpose).

Now if Orochimaru soul can be sealed away in Sussano'o, but the other part can still roam the earth. Why can't Hashirama soul be split as well? One sealed in Reaper, other roaming the world?

you are right about Orochimaru's revival, the horcrux stuff, but doesn't a person have to be dead to be revived by Edo-Tensei?

Also, about the Hashirama back in Tobi's mountain, Tobi said he's alive but there is no consciousness... so...

 

[Tartarus]

hmm no, but nice affort

 

[Armathyx]

Tobi has been seen using Earth Release, which is one element Hashirama holds. He hasn't been seen using Wood Release, for a few reasons. Time-Space jutsu is bad ass enough, and if he put so much effort hiding his identity. Using Wood Release would pretty much blow his cover, and if he lied about being Madara I think he's lying about his plan. This isn't a children cartoon, the bad guy doesn't shout out his entire plan to everyone. And then the good guy stops him and saves the world, he's a liar and is hiding something obviously. And I doubt he's cocky and so confident to believe he wont be stopped, so he can just say his plans. Because they just lost all edo's and Kabuto was captured. @ Armathyx

I know my theory has some typos, but it's safe to say you can use the power of assumptions to fix the typos. My questions are valid and instead of taking the defensive and answering every single of your questions, let me send a fast ball at you and everyone.

Tobirama invented Edo Tensei, only he could possibly know the downside and counters to it. How in the world would Madara know it? Hmm, maybe Tobi aka Hashirama Senju the brother of Tobirama Senju knew it? And told Madara Uchiha the secrets of Edo Tensei, so if he someone ever used it on him he could break free? And so his plans on using Madara wouldn't be ruined?

But you assume that Madara and Hashirama are allies who share secrets. Why would they have fought if they're on the same wave lenght?

In my opinion Madara is actually against Tobi's plan, he's no sheep to be controlled by an infinite Tsukuyomi.

 

[Smite]

Hashirama had resurrected another him; but weaker form, before passing away therefore is the reason why he was able to be resurrected. And the Hashirama that produced the giant tree, which produced the mass of Zetsu has no conscious mind probably because the resurrected Hashirama absorbed it. Making himself stronger similar to how Orochimaru did to Kabuto, therefore leaving behind the physical energy. Which latter on made contact with bijuu chakra, which then produced the Zetsu Clone.

I never stated that Hashirama and Madara were allies, I stated Hashirama is using Madara to the highest extent. Only aiding Madara for Hashirama benefit, if Madara will betray him or not is unknown. But we know one thing, the likely of Madara and Hashirama working together is just as plausible as Madara fighting together with a man whom plans on enslaving everyone in the world; including Madara.