Tobi is a splitting body of Madara Uchiha (a mere shell of his former shell)

[riar]

This theory makes sense the most because that would explain how Tobi knows so much about the ninja world. But still, it would suck if the final villain of the series is a mere clone.

 

[Legendary Broly]

yup that would suck :/ thats why i hope hes a new character or kagami or izuna uchiha, and as for knowing things , why cant he just be knowledgeable or why cant have madara have just filled him in ?

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

I disagree. Like you said, having a clone as the main antagonist would be stupid. But, something must explain Tobi's knowledge and memories of Madara...

 

[HiddenSound]

I don't think it would suck. So what if he's a clone? A legitimate clone, not a Zetsu, would be pretty cool to me. Plus it makes the most sense to me.

 

[yellow flash94]

Well the manga clearly states these facts upfront:


1)Nagato awakened his rinnegan first when his parents died.
2)Madara was not in possesion of rinnegan when he battled Hashi.
3)Rinnegan has the power to bring back the dead.
4)Tobi "claims" to have given the rinnegan to nagato.
5)madara obtained senju dna during his battle with hashi,it is evident from one of kabuto's statements idk from which chapter.(considering senju DNa a requirement for rinnegan)


Based on these facts I would like to propose a hypothesis on the matters at hand,namely rinnegans evolution ,nagato and madara's possesion of it and the identity of tobi.


It is clearly stated in the manga that madara had awakened his rinnegan shortly before his death.
So what I think happened is that when he awakened his rinnegan he had already planned on putting the eye of moon plan in motion,as shown fro his knowledge about the plan.
Thus foreseeing his death,maybe due to his injuries from his battle with hashi, he as a last deperate measure used "Samsara of heavenly life" to bring back to life someone who was loyal to him to bring him back to life after his death.

And I hypothise that this is the person who we know as tobi.Now according to this the most appropriate candidate would be Izuna,who had already died,assumption,to entrust his rinnegan.


But Izuna could not carry the rinnegan as he didn't have the senju DNA like so he implanted into Nagato's eyes,who as an uzumaki had the required quality.

This also explains the fighting prowess of tobi as izuna was said to be equal to his brother.

This also explains why he holds a grudge against Uchiha for having betrayed his brother whom he was loyal towards.It also explains how he states that Izuna had willingly given his eyes to madara,because well he was him.

It also explains why he was afraid when kabuto had shown him madara's body using edo tensei.

So net result :
1)Tobi is none other than Izuna.
2)It was tobi who had given nagato his rinnegan.
3)Senju DNA was required to activate rinnegan(1 more hypothises because since rinnegan was so6p's eyes it can be assumed it required both his life force as well as his physical energy to activate it.hence both the brothers attributes were required,hence the above hypothesis)


Sorry, that the post is highly disordered it is because I'm new to the base and don't know how to edit with photos and other facts.

And please comment on this if you have read it fully.

 

[yellow flash94]

And guys could anyone tell me how to post a new thread,I'm new to the base.

 

[riar]

Well the manga clearly states these facts upfront:


1)Nagato awakened his rinnegan first when his parents died.
2)Madara was not in possesion of rinnegan when he battled Hashi.
3)Rinnegan has the power to bring back the dead.
4)Tobi "claims" to have given the rinnegan to nagato.
5)madara obtained senju dna during his battle with hashi,it is evident from one of kabuto's statements idk from which chapter.(considering senju DNa a requirement for rinnegan)


Based on these facts I would like to propose a hypothesis on the matters at hand,namely rinnegans evolution ,nagato and madara's possesion of it and the identity of tobi.


It is clearly stated in the manga that madara had awakened his rinnegan shortly before his death.
So what I think happened is that when he awakened his rinnegan he had already planned on putting the eye of moon plan in motion,as shown fro his knowledge about the plan.
Thus foreseeing his death,maybe due to his injuries from his battle with hashi, he as a last deperate measure used "Samsara of heavenly life" to bring back to life someone who was loyal to him to bring him back to life after his death.

And I hypothise that this is the person who we know as tobi.Now according to this the most appropriate candidate would be Izuna,who had already died,assumption,to entrust his rinnegan.


But Izuna could not carry the rinnegan as he didn't have the senju DNA like so he implanted into Nagato's eyes,who as an uzumaki had the required quality.

This also explains the fighting prowess of tobi as izuna was said to be equal to his brother.

This also explains why he holds a grudge against Uchiha for having betrayed his brother whom he was loyal towards.It also explains how he states that Izuna had willingly given his eyes to madara,because well he was him.

It also explains why he was afraid when kabuto had shown him madara's body using edo tensei.

So net result :
1)Tobi is none other than Izuna.
2)It was tobi who had given nagato his rinnegan.
3)Senju DNA was required to activate rinnegan(1 more hypothises because since rinnegan was so6p's eyes it can be assumed it required both his life force as well as his physical energy to activate it.hence both the brothers attributes were required,hence the above hypothesis)


Sorry, that the post is highly disordered it is because I'm new to the base and don't know how to edit with photos and other facts.

And please comment on this if you have read it fully.

U r rite but when power of rinnengan is used to bring people back to life then they become alive where there body is ( I mean when nagato did this konoha people became alive where there dead bodies were). And if madara used it izuna would become alive in his coffin and he dont have eyes so if madara knew that he ws going to die then he can't go to izuna's coffin where his body was:shrug:. But somehow i agree with U .

 

[riar]

And guys could anyone tell me how to post a new thread,I'm new to the base.

U have to go to the place where it is written on top then in one options (where pictures are made and all that etc) there wud be written Naruto general questions in front of norutos pic and wud be written ask ur naruto related question here open it and it will be written new thread

 

[riar]

And guys could anyone tell me how to post a new thread,I'm new to the base.

You must be registered for see links

 

[Futton]

Well the manga clearly states these facts upfront:


1)Nagato awakened his rinnegan first when his parents died.
2)Madara was not in possesion of rinnegan when he battled Hashi.
3)Rinnegan has the power to bring back the dead.
4)Tobi "claims" to have given the rinnegan to nagato.
5)madara obtained senju dna during his battle with hashi,it is evident from one of kabuto's statements idk from which chapter.(considering senju DNa a requirement for rinnegan)


Based on these facts I would like to propose a hypothesis on the matters at hand,namely rinnegans evolution ,nagato and madara's possesion of it and the identity of tobi.


It is clearly stated in the manga that madara had awakened his rinnegan shortly before his death.
So what I think happened is that when he awakened his rinnegan he had already planned on putting the eye of moon plan in motion,as shown fro his knowledge about the plan.
Thus foreseeing his death,maybe due to his injuries from his battle with hashi, he as a last deperate measure used "Samsara of heavenly life" to bring back to life someone who was loyal to him to bring him back to life after his death.

And I hypothise that this is the person who we know as tobi.Now according to this the most appropriate candidate would be Izuna,who had already died,assumption,to entrust his rinnegan.


But Izuna could not carry the rinnegan as he didn't have the senju DNA like so he implanted into Nagato's eyes,who as an uzumaki had the required quality.

This also explains the fighting prowess of tobi as izuna was said to be equal to his brother.

This also explains why he holds a grudge against Uchiha for having betrayed his brother whom he was loyal towards.It also explains how he states that Izuna had willingly given his eyes to madara,because well he was him.

It also explains why he was afraid when kabuto had shown him madara's body using edo tensei.

So net result :
1)Tobi is none other than Izuna.
2)It was tobi who had given nagato his rinnegan.
3)Senju DNA was required to activate rinnegan(1 more hypothises because since rinnegan was so6p's eyes it can be assumed it required both his life force as well as his physical energy to activate it.hence both the brothers attributes were required,hence the above hypothesis)


Sorry, that the post is highly disordered it is because I'm new to the base and don't know how to edit with photos and other facts.

And please comment on this if you have read it fully.

When most people say Izuna I say no but with the logic you put behind it you make me think a whole lot of the possibility. But here where it is off, if you check the pictures Kishi distinctively drew them differently and you can tell that Madara was alive during the Uchiha massacre and Tobi fought the 4th, so being that they were in existence at the same time, when did he give nagato the rinnegan, was it some type of jutsu that allowed hime to give him the rinnegan.

 

[yin5746]

Well the manga clearly states these facts upfront:


1)Nagato awakened his rinnegan first when his parents died.
2)Madara was not in possesion of rinnegan when he battled Hashi.
3)Rinnegan has the power to bring back the dead.
4)Tobi "claims" to have given the rinnegan to nagato.
5)madara obtained senju dna during his battle with hashi,it is evident from one of kabuto's statements idk from which chapter.(considering senju DNa a requirement for rinnegan)


Based on these facts I would like to propose a hypothesis on the matters at hand,namely rinnegans evolution ,nagato and madara's possesion of it and the identity of tobi.


It is clearly stated in the manga that madara had awakened his rinnegan shortly before his death.
So what I think happened is that when he awakened his rinnegan he had already planned on putting the eye of moon plan in motion,as shown fro his knowledge about the plan.
Thus foreseeing his death,maybe due to his injuries from his battle with hashi, he as a last deperate measure used "Samsara of heavenly life" to bring back to life someone who was loyal to him to bring him back to life after his death.

And I hypothise that this is the person who we know as tobi.Now according to this the most appropriate candidate would be Izuna,who had already died,assumption,to entrust his rinnegan.


But Izuna could not carry the rinnegan as he didn't have the senju DNA like so he implanted into Nagato's eyes,who as an uzumaki had the required quality.

This also explains the fighting prowess of tobi as izuna was said to be equal to his brother.

This also explains why he holds a grudge against Uchiha for having betrayed his brother whom he was loyal towards.It also explains how he states that Izuna had willingly given his eyes to madara,because well he was him.

It also explains why he was afraid when kabuto had shown him madara's body using edo tensei.

So net result :
1)Tobi is none other than Izuna.
2)It was tobi who had given nagato his rinnegan.
3)Senju DNA was required to activate rinnegan(1 more hypothises because since rinnegan was so6p's eyes it can be assumed it required both his life force as well as his physical energy to activate it.hence both the brothers attributes were required,hence the above hypothesis)


Sorry, that the post is highly disordered it is because I'm new to the base and don't know how to edit with photos and other facts.

And please comment on this if you have read it fully.

But when Nagato brought people back he had killed in the village he said he couldn't bring back those he had killed before entering the village cuz too much time had passed. If Madara brought back Izuna at the end of his life a lot of time would have passed, so would it really be possible still? It's a good argument though.