Tobi has the Mangekyou Sharigan

IF NOT TOBI... the 3rd person with MS that Itachi is referring to is:


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Have Itachi actually seen Tobi use his MS or is he just sure of him having it? Well he is afterall "Madara Uchiha" the first one to ever awaken it? But he is not, now is he?

I just think Itachi assumes Tobi got a MS since he believed him to be Madara. Ofcourse Madara would have the Mangekyou Sharingan. He is the best of the best within the clan.

But Tobi is not Madara.

If Itachi have never seen Tobi use his MS and just went on his word on being Madara this thread doesnt prove anything.





Correct. This is why my ideas are just Theories.

But you can't prove that Tobi DIDNT use a MS during the Massacre along with Itachi either. This is the only piece of the puzzle. Did Itachi see Tobi using the MS, or did he assume he has the MS because he assumed he was Madara? We are both assuming here. We will soon find out if Tobi has a MS or not......
 

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First of all, Welcome to the Base
Thank you

Ok. Now on to the #FAILS (lol)
>_> jk right? Because if it's not I'll be pissed, considering I'm feeling your theories won't make any sense.

Yes. He obviously UNDERESTIMATED KONAN'S POWER, just like he does most shinobi. He didn't use MS because he either didn't think he needs to, or because he didn't even have in the eyes.
Wut? I'll put it this way. You have a weapon to overpower your enemies, but because you left it intentionally at home, you nearly died. It doesn't make ANY sense. I don't think Tobi is so stupid.

No he wouldn't. This is EXACTLY WHY if Tobi has the MS, he is NOT wearing those eyes. He also has a Rinnegan eye that he isn't using, and a WALL FULL OF EYES. He obviously kept in that other regular Sharigan (left eye not right) in case he ever needs to use Izanagi. FYI
Yeah, I switched left with right in my post, my bad. The other Rinnegan? Maybe he didn't trasplant it for the simple fact he would have lost his ST techs and intangibility, nothing more. Rinnegan =/= Sharingan. Edo Madara had to switch to EMS to cast a genjustu against the Raikage, because he couldn't do it with his Rinnegan, proving I'm kinda right on that. So you're saying Tobi is using only 1 MS? For me it's more like it doesn't have one at all.
No other MS user had to do this in order to get more advantage, because 2 MS are simply better than an 1 hypothetical MS + normal sharingan to sacrifice in case of emergency. Inbe4 "Madara and Izuna probably couldn't do this because they hadn't spare eyes to do the same thing" You're wrong. If such a thing was such an advantage, do you think they wouldn't do it? They killed their best friends for achieving the MS, killing other clansmen for their eyes wouldn't matter for them. Also, I've never seen Tobi having drawback for using this 1 MS eye he doesn't have.

NOT IF HE ISNT WEARING THE MS. He has 1000 Uchiha eyes man. He has a Rinnegan at home so obviously he isnt always wearing his most powerful eyes. He hasn't shown any MS jutsu yet, which makes sense if he isn't ever wearing his original MS eyes (now in favor for the Rinnegan eye).
See quote number 2. Sharigan =/= Rinnegan.

4. "You need the MS to control the Nine-Tails" we don't really know this for sure, because Tobi still managed to pull that out.

This could be wrong... but the MANGA does say this, FYI.
I know Itachi said that, but it's not stated in way that makes me think it's 100% canon. I feel like an Itachi's assumption, rather than statement. I could be wrong, but I said I wasn't sure on this one.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Just because Tobi has MS, doesnt mean he keeps in those eyes. He also has 2 Rinnegan eyes but he is not using both of them. He has a freakin' laboratory of Uchiha eyes for Goodness Sake. He could obviously be keeping his MS at the lair with his other Rinnegan Eye.
1 MS + 1 normal sharingan to sacrifice is no advantage over 2 full powered MS. I feel like my responses are pretty clear on that.

If Tobi is Izuna, if he wore his MS eye EVERYONE WOULD KNOW WHO HE IS. I'm just saying... there are multiple reasons for him NOT to wear his MS. FYI
Who knows, but not showing the form of his MS is one thing, but making it like it doesn't have one is completly the opposite. There aren't enough facts to support your theory. Mine, which is the opposite, is flawless, the only thing it doesn't really fit is the subjugated Kyuubi's eyes and the ability to do it. We can also add how a normal sharingan could perform ST techs, who knows.
 
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He has to have a MS somewhere in that collection...but I don't know whether his right eye is a MS.
 

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Correct. This is why my ideas are just Theories.

But you can't prove that Tobi DIDNT use a MS during the Massacre along with Itachi either. This is the only piece of the puzzle. Did Itachi see Tobi using the MS, or did he assume he has the MS because he assumed he was Madara? We are both assuming here. We will soon find out if Tobi has a MS or not......

Oh alright! Thanks for clarifying that for me!

Have it been stated that Tobi that he did indeed help him with the massacree or did we just see them make the deal of Tobi not laying his hand on Konoha if Itachi agreed on killing them?

Because i strongly believe that Itachi had the power to slaughter all of them by himself. Being the only one in the village with MS.
 

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Wut? I'll put it this way. You have a weapon to overpower your enemies, but because you left it intentionally at home, you nearly died. It doesn't make ANY sense. I don't think Tobi is so stupid.


He IS that stupid.
HE SAID SO HIMSELF, THAT HE SEVERLY UNDERESTIMATED KONAN.
So why would he bring all this POWER for Konan and he has never feared a shinobi before?!? Hell... he even went to talk to the KAGES with no RINNEGAN. He is full of himself and I KNOW he thought he would never need a MS to defeat Konan. And as you can see, he didn't need one. FYI
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(1. ALOTTA TEXT...) ...So you're saying Tobi is using only 1 MS? For me it's more like it doesn't have one at all.
(2. ALOT MOLRE TEXT...) They killed their best friends for achieving the MS, killing other clansmen for their eyes wouldn't matter for them. Also, I've never seen Tobi having drawback for using this 1 MS eye he doesn't have.



Ok. First for #1, I never said that Tobi is only using one MS.
Where did you get that from? I said that he is NEVER using MS eyes, meaning he has them but is not wearing them. I say this b/c it has been my assumption that he is Izuna for a while. If anyone saw Izuna's MS, they would know his identity. There are a few different reasons not to wear a MS, like not wanting it to go blind with it. If you have MS and 1000 other eyes, you might use the other eyes too if you know that your MS will eventually go blind. Think about it.
Second, for #2, who said that Madara/Izuna killed their best friends??? Why couldnt they just WATCH their best friend die (instead of killing them) like Itachi AND sasuke? They lived their life on the battlefield daily. FYI Itachi didn't kill Shisui and Sasuke didn't kill Itachi. It was all a mind game but they still got their MS's. SO YOU DONT HAVE TO KILL ANYONE.
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I know Itachi said that, but it's not stated in way that makes me think it's 100% canon. I feel like an Itachi's assumption, rather than statement. I could be wrong, but I said I wasn't sure on this one.

We are both assuming then. No arguement here.
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1 MS + 1 normal sharingan to sacrifice is no advantage over 2 full powered MS. I feel like my responses are pretty clear on that.


Like you said, his S/T technique is very special to him. He would probably never take it out. So why keep in one MS if you cant do Susano'o or risk getting the one MS (or S/T Sharigan) sealed using Izanagi? Of course he wouldnt wear them. He also has the risk of overusing the MS and it getting sealed, "losing the light".
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Who knows, but not showing the form of his MS is one thing, but making it like it doesn't have one is completly the opposite. There aren't enough facts to support your theory. Mine, which is the opposite, is flawless, the only thing it doesn't really fit is the subjugated Kyuubi's eyes and the ability to do it. We can also add how a normal sharingan could perform ST techs, who knows.


Your arguement is FLAWLESS???

With Manga support? OK. Please show me Manga support that PROVES he doesn't have MS. Maybe you want to bring up the fact that he could control the Kuubi? Oh yea, that supports my theory. Or the fact that he is doing S/T techniques with a regular Sharigan? Oh yea, that helps my arguement too. So exactly how the hell is your counter arguement FLAWLESS lol.
If anything, you have YET to "prove" (with or without the Manga support) that Tobi doesnt have MS. My arguements are STRONGER when we refer to the Manga than yours. If not, please elaborate. I only hear more theories. You cannot disprove theories with more theories. FYI



1. Control Kuubi
2. S/T Tech
3. Itachi says so
 
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