[Theory] Tobi from Tobirama?

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Okay, so we all know that this Tobi person has Hashirama's cells, has Space-Time jutsu, and has the sharingan. We also know that he has a close correlation with the Zetsu plants.

My theory right now is that Tobi was created by Tobirama, the Second Hokage. The reason I say this is because Tobirama had been the first to develop the Edo Tensei, although an imperfect version. I am currently wondering if he had attempted to bring back his brother, the First Hokage, and Madara. I wonder this because it seems that the two are the most obvious choices for bringing back. We know that he had stopped his research after it was deemed forbidden but what if before that happened, he had gotten a reason to stop?

He may have used Madara's body, the one that was dead at the Valley of the End, and had taken those cells along with the cells of his brother to create an Edo Tensei resurection of the two. Although in the midst of it, a new edo tensei was created, one that would have both the cells of the First and the sharingan of Madara. However both their powers were much weaker due to the fact that they would be competing for dominance over the body.

Along with the Tobi that was created was one plant-like person that was created from Hashirama's cells, most likely a previous experiment that went wrong.

Tobirama would use two souls for this transaction, most likely a rogue S-Class ninja and a small boy from Konoha. These two would make the personalities that Tobi would have in the future. Tobirama would name this after himself as to give him a legacy worth remembering but Tobi was still in the internal struggle between Hashirama and Madara. Madara would take over and free himself from the lab that Tobirama would have kept him at, or the test tube (xd) and he would free the plant-like person, which had been one full white plant at the time.

Tobi would leave the Leaf Village and devise his own plan to change the world and become "whole" again as his mind was corrupted by Madara's cells. He would also experiment on Zetsu and attempt to make him stronger, the result being the Black Zetsu, a large mix of Madara's cells infused into the Zetsu. As Tobi got older, he noticed that the Edo Tensei effects slowly wore off and he actually began to age and needed a way to become full again. He knew that he would need to use the Rinnegan (for something, not sure what at this point.) and he would seek out the Uzumaki family. He would find Nagato as a young child and did something to give him the Rinnegan. (The reason he knows how is because of the Madara's cells that actually gave him memories of when he was alive.)

So in conclusion:

Tobi is Tobirama's failed experiment of Edo Tensei.

Thoughts and what-not are down there.
Thanks for reading! ^_^
 

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I explained that too.. Edo Tensei at the time was an imperfect jutsu, it's most basic form. The effects would wear off. I said that.
BUT, wether it's perfect or imperfect, you can't hurt a person's soul, which is basically what edo tensei is, it revive a person's soul, and you can only release it through a genjutsu or sealing...
 
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It's a cool theory but man it almost makes Tobirama sound like a mad scientist. I think this would be more of Orochimaru's doing. But it would be cool if this happened, it would give us a more in depth look at the lives of Hashirama, Tobirama, and Madara.
 
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tl;dr

but, please don't tell me you're basing this on 'Tobi' being common in both of their names
No, I based this off the fact that Tobirama had developed a forbidden jutsu that is currently being used today.. This would also be why Tobi is so interested in Kabuto's use of the Edo Tensei. When he wanted to see how it was done by Kabuto and how it was done by Tobi comparatively.

BUT, wether it's perfect or imperfect, you can't hurt a person's soul, which is basically what edo tensei is, it revive a person's soul, and you can only release it through a genjutsu or sealing...
No, when Kabuto controls his Edo tensei he sticks a tag on them that allows him to control them. This is a primitive Edo Tensei. >_<
 

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it doesn't make any sense why tobirama would try to revive both hashirama and madara by putting them in the same vessel and why would he want madara back to life after he tryed to kill his brother? also, what does the rouge ninja and the boy have to do with his personality?
 

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it doesn't make any sense why tobirama would try to revive both hashirama and madara by putting them in the same vessel and why would he want madara back to life after he tryed to kill his brother? also, what does the rouge ninja and the boy have to do with his personality?
He didn't try to put them in the same vessel >_< Just tried to revive them consistently and something went wrong. Madara was just as strong (around) as Madara, why wouldn't he? The personality just is a bit of a mirror. Remember funny Tobi that acted like a child?
 

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i like some parts of your theory. the idea that tobi isnt exactly madara, but has his character due to some experiment is quite new and fits to what we have seen from him till now. it would also explain why the first thought that he was dead and why he didnt use the ems so far.

about edo tensei idk, it could be possible, but doesnt seem very plausible. even while the edo-tensei-guys can in some way resist the will of the user if he doesnt concentrate on them, i doubt that edo would completely wore off. it doesnt even have to, since madara seems to be more or less immortal. however, what we have seen so far doesnt look like an edo-tensei body, and madara seemed to not know the jutsu.
 
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