[Spoilers] Tobi didn't start Akatsuki with Nagato, nor give him Rinnegan

[Bloodytaste]

Oh it's from Youtube, then it must be real..._O-

its real but im sure Madara lived far longer then nagatos first introduction as a child~

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"What Orochimaru sama created "

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As for the first time Orochimaru when he first saw nagato & others as childs wanted to kill them. This means at that time he did not know about madara or Nagatos abilities! This is important for the next things~

Why if it would be the time shortly after madaras death? So Kabuto says, Orochimaru made Madara this powerful. This could mean 2 things.

1. He found his Corpse, experimentated on him and made the edo tensei stronger...but i dont think thats true.

2. I think Orochimaru experimented on an Alive Madara, and this was many years later after Nagato. Reason: If its true what we know about Edo tensei u will get the someone revived at a state before his death. So if this is Madaras pefect form before death, it means that Orochimaru experimanted with an living Madara. U ask me know, why could madara not be dead, while orochimaru experimented on him(point 1)? Easy then the Edo Tensei would not work out, because a dead bodys DNA could not be Changed anymore. And Madara himself was aware of his new abilitys (Golden Age?), that Orochimaru made on him. So this kinda proofs that he was alive even after Nagato.

So

Orochimaru, Madara & Tobi also know each other. Maybe they were partners. They also shared the same goal to crush leaf, while Madara & Tobi also went for the Moon Eye Plan. This would also explain why Tobi got so good in transplanting things...he just learned that from Orochimaru and Madara.
Nagatos Rinnegan is not Madaras, maybe madara only found a way to activate it inside of him. I mean Danzou would have also been interested in Nagato, if it was really everthing about the Rinnegan. Last but not Least Danzou seemed to found out Orochimarus buisness with Madara. As u can remember, we have Yamato. Anoter Experiment, maybe he was a test to build it up on the real madara.

 

[natssuu]

My theory about this -->

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Don't revive it, I made it a long time ago

 

[Bloodytaste]

My theory about this -->

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Don't revive it, I made it a long time ago

There is a problem in there~
from Bobby rqy

. But i still wonder how they managed to give the rinnegan to nagato without letting his parents get to know about that. Even nagato himself didn't recognize that he had this powerful eyes until he met jiraiya. So no one noticed that some unkown people implanted the most powerful eyes in the narutoverse into nagato?

also yes Madara said " Nagato " managed to grow, how about he just followed his movments to need his ability later. I mean Me as Madara i would instantly know that im not back with Rinne Tensei if i had gave away my eyes so this is also something that does not fit. Madara later realised it was an Edo Tensei, that why he asked who is controlling it, because he may thought of Orochimaru.

 

[Armathyx]

Nice quoting evidence from Youtube, most reliable source of information in the world!

There's no evidence in the manga of Tobi meeting Madara, or of Tobi existing before the attack of Konoha. Only Tobi makes these claims and we all know he lied about who he was.

The present Tobi is not the same "Uchiha Madara" who apparently helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki.

But hey whatever, let's just wait for Tobi to be finally revealed as Obito or something and then maybe you'll know.

 

[Higekage]

Nice quoting evidence from Youtube, most reliable source of information in the world!

There's no evidence in the manga of Tobi meeting Madara, or of Tobi existing before the attack of Konoha. Only Tobi makes these claims and we all know he lied about who he was.

The present Tobi is not the same "Uchiha Madara" who apparently helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki.

But hey whatever, let's just wait for Tobi to be finally revealed as Obito or something and then maybe you'll know.

Tobi wouldn't lie to Konan when he was just about to kill her. There is simply no reason for it.

 

[SilverSlick]

Nice quoting evidence from Youtube, most reliable source of information in the world!

There's no evidence in the manga of Tobi meeting Madara, or of Tobi existing before the attack of Konoha. Only Tobi makes these claims and we all know he lied about who he was.

The present Tobi is not the same "Uchiha Madara" who apparently helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki.

But hey whatever, let's just wait for Tobi to be finally revealed as Obito or something and then maybe you'll know.

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Go look up Shounen Jump 35 and you should find the interview


Alright, let me explain this whole shit to you because its obvious you don't understand.

Madara died shortly after unlocking the Rinnegan.

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You're right about Madara giving his eyes to Nagato but you're completely wrong about him helping form Akatsuki with Yahiko. I didn't read your post, I only read the thread title so I'm going to assume you probably think Madara controlled Yagura.

The whole reason you're wrong is because Madara was dead during both of those times, plain and ****ing simple. Nagato's age and the manga scan I gave you pretty much confirm that. You know Nagato got his eyes from Madara, so you should already know he was dead by the time Nagato and Yahiko formed the Akatsuki, assuming that Madara did give the rinnegan to Nagato. This is simple ****ing logic. You don't need an IQ above 80 to figure this out.

Alright, lets figure out Nagato's age and the age of Yahiko when he formed Akatsuki.

Jiraiya died at the age of 54. He met Nagato, Yahiko and Konan when they were ten. He was probably 18-25 years old at this time, making him 8 to 15 years older than Nagato. So Nagato would be 39 to 46 years old.

Since we're assuming that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan, we can assume he gave him the Rinnegan when he was a child based on this manga page alone

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And the fact that Nagato was first seen when he was a small child. I'm going to guess that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan when Nagato was a baby. So we can basically say, since the above manga pages prove he unlocked the Rinnegan shortly before his death, that he probably died shortly after.

Alright, now USING OUR GOD GIVEN COMMON ****ING SENSE, we can say that Madara was dead by the time Nagato and Yahiko formed Akatsuki. Or are you implying THAT THEY FORMED THE AKATSUKI WHEN THEY WERE ****ING INFANTS?

Anyways, do you see my point? A point that anyone with the IQ above 5 could grasp?

Here's some manga pages implying Madara's and Tobi's connection other than, you know, Kishimoto's damn words as stated above in the interview I gave.

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Hopefully I could of opened your eyes a bit.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nice quoting evidence from Youtube, most reliable source of information in the world!

There's no evidence in the manga of Tobi meeting Madara, or of Tobi existing before the attack of Konoha. Only Tobi makes these claims and we all know he lied about who he was.

The present Tobi is not the same "Uchiha Madara" who apparently helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki.

But hey whatever, let's just wait for Tobi to be finally revealed as Obito or something and then maybe you'll know.

If you were smart you have seen i posted a new link a few posts back which is the same interview since that interview is already confirmed to be true, and tell me how will Tobi be Obito, how will Obito know Tobi, you deny evidence i've given you, but don't provide any of your own. :sy:

 

[Bloodytaste]

Still no one of you has a proof, that Nagatos Rinnegan is or was Madaras~ That is the point here~
I already gave my theory, that Madara for sure was alive even after Nagato who got the Rinnegan, and it mostly fits~ If Tobi said he as " Madara " gave him the Rinnegan, this could also be a lie, or it was indirectly meant that he was the key to awaken the rinnegen inside of nagato. We Still do not for sure know, how to awaken it.~ But one thing we know is do not belive Tobi he lies pretty often~

 

[XxRinneganXxMaster]

Madara and Tobi know each other, Yahiko founded Akatsuki and Madara probably meet the Ame Orphans sometime after he fought the First Hokage. Their he met the orphans and encouraged Yahiko to form Akatsuki. He also probably knew Nagato before he met the rest of the Orphans. Madara probably implanted the Rinnegan in Nagato when he was very young and later met up with him. In the manga when Madara is revived he says "this is his doing" referring to Nagato in bringing him back to life with Samsara of the Heavenly Life or something. Tobi is probably someone who was close to Madara and infiltrated Akatsuki under the name Madara to control it. He also claims to give Nagato the Rinnegan which is true for Madara but not Tobi and also claims he told Yahiko to form Akastsuki

 

[XxRinneganXxMaster]

Another interesting this is how does Nagato's Edo Tensei body have Rinnegan? If Madara gave it to him how did he also have it in resurrected form.

 

[Edge]

Actually, Kisame recognized Tobi both when he was controlling Yagura (long hair), and after he revealed himself to Sasuke (short hair).

So really this argument is invalid, he DID exist before the attack on Konoha.

 

[Bloodytaste]

Actually, Kisame recognized Tobi both when he was controlling Yagura (long hair), and after he revealed himself to Sasuke (short hair).

So really this argument is invalid, he DID exist before the attack on Konoha.

We still dont know when that meeting was~ so u cannot say that he DID exist before the attack, also this wont harm cuz obito as tobi also would have existed 2/3 years long, Look how Hinatas hair growed in the last 2/3 years~
I think that about yagura was after der Kyuubi attack~

 

[Edge]

We still dont know when that meeting was~ so u cannot say that he DID exist before the attack, also this wont harm cuz obito as tobi also would have existed 2/3 years long, Look how Hinatas hair growed in the last 2/3 years~
I think that about yagura was after der Kyuubi attack~

Dude... :sy:

Tobi controlled Yagura BEFORE the Massacre and BEFORE the Kyubbi attack.

It was when Yagura was FOURTH MIZUKAGE, and when Zabuza was a child. The manga states that the rule ended roughly around when Zabuza slaughtered all those kids during his Ninja Exam.

It does affect Obito. Obito was either a child, or not even born yet.

Mother of God mate.

 

[SosukeAizen]

No............just no. The timelines are different as evidenced in the manga and clearly most of these theories are speculation at best. Tobi knows Madara, Madara "knows" about Nagato, so that means that something is missing cause he archieved Rinnegan at the end/close to the end of his epic clash with Hashi. I doubt it's an eye translplant though lmao.

 

[Armathyx]

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Go look up Shounen Jump 35 and you should find the interview


Alright, let me explain this whole shit to you because its obvious you don't understand.

Madara died shortly after unlocking the Rinnegan.

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You're right about Madara giving his eyes to Nagato but you're completely wrong about him helping form Akatsuki with Yahiko. I didn't read your post, I only read the thread title so I'm going to assume you probably think Madara controlled Yagura.

The whole reason you're wrong is because Madara was dead during both of those times, plain and ****ing simple. Nagato's age and the manga scan I gave you pretty much confirm that. You know Nagato got his eyes from Madara, so you should already know he was dead by the time Nagato and Yahiko formed the Akatsuki, assuming that Madara did give the rinnegan to Nagato. This is simple ****ing logic. You don't need an IQ above 80 to figure this out.

Alright, lets figure out Nagato's age and the age of Yahiko when he formed Akatsuki.

Jiraiya died at the age of 54. He met Nagato, Yahiko and Konan when they were ten. He was probably 18-25 years old at this time, making him 8 to 15 years older than Nagato. So Nagato would be 39 to 46 years old.

Since we're assuming that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan, we can assume he gave him the Rinnegan when he was a child based on this manga page alone

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And the fact that Nagato was first seen when he was a small child. I'm going to guess that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan when Nagato was a baby. So we can basically say, since the above manga pages prove he unlocked the Rinnegan shortly before his death, that he probably died shortly after.

Alright, now USING OUR GOD GIVEN COMMON ****ING SENSE, we can say that Madara was dead by the time Nagato and Yahiko formed Akatsuki. Or are you implying THAT THEY FORMED THE AKATSUKI WHEN THEY WERE ****ING INFANTS?

Anyways, do you see my point? A point that anyone with the IQ above 5 could grasp?

Here's some manga pages implying Madara's and Tobi's connection other than, you know, Kishimoto's damn words as stated above in the interview I gave.

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Hopefully I could of opened your eyes a bit.

You're the one who's eyes need to ****ing open up. There's no evidence of Madara dying when Nagato was a baby. He could've just told him about his plan, knowing that Nagato would eventually know pain because of the war and agree with it regardless, then die shortly after. He had Nagato act as if it were his own plan, when it was in fact Madara's. This is the basic idea of manipulation, you get someone to do something while thinking it's their idea to do it.

Now you're gonna tell me that Tobi existed 40 years ago, then prove it. For as much as we know, he instructed Zetsu to find someone to fit into that role a long time ago, then Zetsu told the current Tobi everything he needed to know and that's their only link.

Madara is capable of anything and saying "they know eachother" isn't enough to prove they actually talked to each other beforehand.

 

[KidGamer65]

We'll just wait and see who's right.

 

[SilverSlick]

You're the one who's eyes need to ****ing open up. There's no evidence of Madara dying when Nagato was a baby. He could've just told him about his plan, knowing that Nagato would eventually know pain because of the war and agree with it regardless, then die shortly after. He had Nagato act as if it were his own plan, when it was in fact Madara's. This is the basic idea of manipulation, you get someone to do something while thinking it's their idea to do it.

Now you're gonna tell me that Tobi existed 40 years ago, then prove it. For as much as we know, he instructed Zetsu to find someone to fit into that role a long time ago, then Zetsu told the current Tobi everything he needed to know and that's their only link.

Madara is capable of anything and saying "they know eachother" isn't enough to prove they actually talked to each other beforehand.

Are you ****ing kidding me? You just disregarded that whole ****ing post. You need to open your shitty ass eyes and put two and two together. You said it yourself. You believe Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan. I gave you the ****ing manga picture that proved it pretty much. He said it himself. He died shortly after awakening the Rinnegan. He was expecting Nagato to revive him.

Here let me spam the damn manga pic for your blind ass

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Here, Madara is revived. His first thought is:

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Put two and two together.

Seriously, you're one of the most ignorant members I've found on the base.

 

[KidGamer65]

Are you ****ing kidding me? You just disregarded that whole ****ing post. You need to open your shitty ass eyes and put two and two together. You said it yourself. You believe Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan. I gave you the ****ing manga picture that proved it pretty much. He said it himself. He died shortly after awakening the Rinnegan. He was expecting Nagato to revive him.

Here let me spam the damn manga pic for your blind ass

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Here, Madara is revived. His first thought is:

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Put two and two together.

Seriously, you're one of the most ignorant members I've found on the base.

+rep, this guy is a ignorant Obitard, who ignores facts.

 

[Edge]

+rep, this guy is a ignorant Obitard, who ignores facts.

They all seem to do that unfortunately :/

 

[KidGamer65]

They all seem to do that unfortunately :/

What annoys me the most is that the evidence to staring him right in the face.