Tobi cannot use Space time when Kakashi uses Kamui

[LUTORCORP]

it's not the same time. Right underneath the cell with kakashi using the kamui is a cell with naruto's fist inches from tobi's face.

but once these are animated im sure theses movments will happen at the same moment in time pluse like i say if the eyes are a pair and both are obitos eyes why does kakashi have to be in mS and tobi only use regular shargin and can use it? kamui is a MS eye technic tobis body warp is a regualr sharign technic can you all not see this fact?

 

[cyberzone10]

Kakashi awaken his MS during naruto shippuden and he gets his new abilties called Kamui

Tobi has this S/T tech in his basic sharingan before Kakashi awaken his MS in naruto shippuden.

Tobi already had S/T tech during Kyuubi attacking the leaf village 16 years ago.

 

[Exaar]

but once these are animated im sure theses movments will happen at the same moment in time pluse like i say if the eyes are a pair and both are obitos eyes why does kakashi have to be in mS and tobi only use regular shargin and can use it? kamui is a MS eye technic tobis body warp is a regualr sharign technic can you all not see this fact?

Tobi saw naruto's attack coming, a attack like that tobi can easily phase through, So why did he chose to jump away instead of just phasing through naruto's attack completely?.

Thats Two times in one manga chp that tobi has dodged naruto while kakashi is using kamui, when he could of just as easily phased through his attacks.

while it's unlikely they're linked, it's good assumption at the moment.

 

[Vendaku]

but once these are animated im sure theses movments will happen at the same moment in time pluse like i say if the eyes are a pair and both are obitos eyes why does kakashi have to be in mS and tobi only use regular shargin and can use it? kamui is a MS eye technic tobis body warp is a regualr sharign technic can you all not see this fact?

Well seriously We have not ever seen Tobi use MS! When his eyes are shown they are always regular 3 tomoi sharingan. Then again we haven't been able to see his eyes at all this fight. They just look black and Hollow. On page 3 you see them but he is standing still so you don't know if he is warping space time then. Kishi is not showing his eyes because every MS is pair is Unique and it would be a dead give away of who he is.

 

[madali]

anyone who says kakashi has no chakra/stamina is a fool after seeing this chapter

 

[LUTORCORP]

Well seriously We have not ever seen Tobi use MS! When his eyes are shown they are always regular 3 tomoi sharingan. Then again we haven't been able to see his eyes at all this fight. They just look black and Hollow. On page 3 you see them but he is standing still so you don't know if he is warping space time then. Kishi is not showing his eyes because every MS is pair is Unique and it would be a dead give away of who he is.

in past episodes we have seen tobi use his body trick many times with regular shargin so i asume its the same now

 

[Vendaku]

in past episodes we have seen tobi use his body trick many times with regular shargin so i asume its the same now

I don't think you can find a manga page where Tobi uses the s/t tech and you can see his eyes at the same time. His eyes are always hidden during that jutsu.

 

[Orochimagus]

Tobi's reaction was to the Heretical Demon Statue being in danger so he used his Sharingan to counter Kakashi's Kamui. Yet another hint that he's Obito.

Notice this chapter also confirms that the third tomoe is not painted on the mask, so he might hide a third eye under his forehead bandages...

 

[LUTORCORP]

I don't think you can find a manga page where Tobi uses the s/t tech and you can see his eyes at the same time. His eyes are always hidden during that jutsu.

so ture that could take me awhile you may be right. but answer this for me if they are the same eye which is a intresting idea, still tobi has to touch whatever he wants to warp, kakashi can warp objects for far away and close range with out haveing to grab the object, if they where the same eye pair why is this?

 

[Vendaku]

Tobi's reaction was to the Heretical Demon Statue being in danger so he used his Sharingan to counter Kakashi's Kamui. Yet another hint that he's Obito.

Notice this chapter also confirms that the third tomoe is not painted on the mask, so he might hide a third eye under his forehead bandages...

Rofl. Maybe the hole is ventalation. He has worn that helmet for days. He's got to be sweating like mad under there. Not to mention the odor.

 

[Vendaku]

so ture that could take me awhile you may be right. but answer this for me if they are the same eye which is a intresting idea, still tobi has to touch whatever he wants to warp, kakashi can warp objects for far away and close range with out haveing to grab the object, if they where the same eye pair why is this?

One thing to make me think this is the shape of Kakashi's MS. It's a Swirl. Lets say these eyes compliment each other. kakashi can swirl out with Kamui, and Tobi swirls in when he absorbs stuff.

 

[Forsberg]

One thing to make me think this is the shape of Kakashi's MS. It's a Swirl. Lets say these eyes compliment each other. kakashi can swirl out with Kamui, and Tobi swirls in when he absorbs stuff.

Plausible.

 

[sulanis]

I cannot answer this properly with solid proof. I can only speculate.

At least you know its speculation! you're a good thinker. Nice catch.

 

[Forsberg]

At least you know its speculation! you're a good thinker. Nice catch.

Thank you

 

[Solo]

It happens again here.

Kakashi uses his Ms to warp the Kunai, while it's being warped naruto attacks.

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Then tobi ends up with a slightly cracked mask.

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So kakashi's kamui could be key to this fight.

Notice how Tobi had to become tangible to kick Kakashi's Kunai to Naruto.

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Imo I believe he misjudge his timing on that Kunai.

 

[The Oracle]

Very nice speculation, +rep

 

[hatakii kakashii]

you have good eyes

 

[kingsulify]

Well seriously We have not ever seen Tobi use MS! When his eyes are shown they are always regular 3 tomoi sharingan. Then again we haven't been able to see his eyes at all this fight. They just look black and Hollow. On page 3 you see them but he is standing still so you don't know if he is warping space time then. Kishi is not showing his eyes because every MS is pair is Unique and it would be a dead give away of who he is.

Hi I'm new to the base, but I was just thinking about what you said as far as we haven't seen his eye when he uses the technique; however, my interest is with the third hole on his new mask. I have seen some ppl say its just a design but your comment made me think

So I went back to when he met sasuke and when he fought Konan; both time he had something wrapped around his forhead, sorry don't have the links. He had a black band around his head with sasuke and white bandages for Konan.

Is it possible he has a third eye that does other techs like the S/T or something else, I dunno just speculating

 

[Masked man]

I think he must stop Kamui and he can't use two Sharingan techniques together..

 

[JAT]

I think that Tobi uses Kamui, that is why he was able to stop Kakashi using it and it is why Kakashi said at the end "I though you use two jutsus...but you only use one!" Kakashi was able to recognize that it's Kamui. Kakashi even said, "I haven't met anyone yet who could stop Kamui." But Tobi did. Also, as far as we know, Kakashi himself doesn't know or recognize many other transportation jutsus (other then summoning and thunder god).

Tobi also said "I see Kakashi you sent Naruto's rasengan to the other dimension". That other dimension is where Tobi goes between S/T uses and where Kakashi sends things with Kamui. Which means Tobi uses Kamui on himself to teleport, which explains why he needs to materialize in order to teleport.

This is why when Tobi tried to absorb Naruto the sharingan was able to hit Tobi. Kakashi sent Naruto's sharingan to the other dimension, Tobi has to materialize to use Kamui, and the portal to the other dimension was opened, allowing the Rasengan to come through and hit Tobi. Why are there two seperate jutsus doing the same thing? because there aren't two different jutsus that do that. It's only one jutsu. Kamui.

I am not currently supporting the Tobi=Obito theory. To be honest it would be cool but I have my own reservations. However, I do understand that this theory can lead others to continue to assert that Tobi is Obito. Then again it could just be two Sharingans that do the same thing, like how Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara can all summon Susanoo but it's suppose to be a rare technique among the Uchiha.