Tobi betraying Uchiha Madara ?

[Negative Knight]

Facts/Partial Assumptions on the relationship between Tobi and Madara​

I'm going to make this as short as possible

1) In order to read the Naka Shrine (completely) you need the Rinnegan to discover the secrets of the Ten-tails and the S06P

2) Sharingan ---> Mangekyou Sharingan ---> Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan ---> Rinnegan

3) The evolutionary nature of doijutsu mean Nagato was gifted the Rinnegan and he did not awaken it.

4) Madara when revived said "So he revived me ?" realizing the person he got to continue his plans with Infinite Tskuymoni and after he dies give his Rinnegan to someone with "Strong Life Force" e.g. a Uzumaki, namely Nagato

5) With Rinne of Rebirth Madara would be revived to finish his plans with his Eye of the Moon Plan. This is supported by Tobi when he claims to Zetsu after Nagato revived the civillans of the Leaf "That was meant for ME!"

The above statement is odd for the reason that Tobi isn't dead nor going to die but he planned to revive Madara, his son/brother or someone close to him.

How Tobi betrayed Madara Uchiha​

However in the recent Chapter Tobi is going to complete the Eye of the Moon plan with the person who discovered with when he awakened his Rinnegan but Tobi himself didn't fufil the purpose of Nagato bringing back Madara (as soon as he died) or even consulting him before aiming to complete the Eye of the Moon Plan.

 

[TPM48]

I think there is a slight conflict of interest between Tobi and Madara

 

[MasterOftheUchiha]

Very Good Assumptions, Closest to what i think is going on with tobi and madara +Rep

 

[Bboyinsayn]

Maybe.

 

[Ikonic]

I found that odd too.My guess is Tobi is rushing it because he sees that he can't take on Naruto/Bee/Kakashi/Gai by himself and Kabuto's edo tensei isn't around anymore to help him.If I remember correctly though when he saw Nagato use the rebirth jutsu to bring back the people he killed in Konoha, Tobi did say that it was supposed to be saved for him implying that he possibly had the intention of reviving Madara.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Partial? More like complete assumptions. lol

 

[Chojuro Sama Kun]

Nice.

 

[Bi0hazard]

interesting

 

[Uchihaninja]

I just lowkey posted what i think will happen between them.If you wanna see what i think the thread is called War Saga progression. Your tread by they why is insightful +rep!

 

[Tsukyomi its over]

very possible

 

[orochimaru]

Tobi never wanted to revive Madara in the first place... that is why he was shocked when Kabuto Edo him in the coffin... from the story progression i had the feeling that Tobi wanted to complete the moon eye plan by himself and he had no intention of reviving Madara...so yes Tobi betrayed Madara , BIG time. Also after he collects the Bijuu chakras...what does he need Madara for?... He can achieve this plan alone and Madara is an obstacle as far as Tobi is concernd.

 

[SilverSlick]

I found that odd too.My guess is Tobi is rushing it because he sees that he can't take on Naruto/Bee/Kakashi/Gai by himself and Kabuto's edo tensei isn't around anymore to help him.If I remember correctly though when he saw Nagato use the rebirth jutsu to bring back the people he killed in Konoha, Tobi did say that it was supposed to be saved for him implying that he possibly had the intention of reviving Madara.

No, it was going to be used for himself, Tobi. I don't really think he was expecting Madara to be revived in all honesty.

EDIT: Basically what the guy above me said. Orochimaru.

 

[orochimaru]

I found that odd too.My guess is Tobi is rushing it because he sees that he can't take on Naruto/Bee/Kakashi/Gai by himself and Kabuto's edo tensei isn't around anymore to help him.If I remember correctly though when he saw Nagato use the rebirth jutsu to bring back the people he killed in Konoha, Tobi did say that it was supposed to be saved for him implying that he possibly had the intention of reviving Madara.

honestly, i didn't believe him for a second...its true he said that...but that is cuz Nagato betrayed him and joined his enemy...but his intentions were not twords bringing back Madara...there is something in between... a reason for Tobi's behaviour so far... i think he is trying avoid reviving Madara after he gained so much power that he felt he does not need him anymore...the next few chapters will reveal whats what.

 

[Rafeal brown]

Nice read...

 

[hola112233]

he was suprised when kabuto had madara

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Maybe he declared war without an army before Kabuto blackmailed him.