Tobi and his Sharingan.

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Mhm interesting theory, however u did hiccup at the point where he got obito right eye, the vid explicitly stated tht his right half was crushed, I honestly don't see use in a completely crushed eye!
 

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Okay, so upon reading a few threads recently I've constructed a little theory about a possible origin for Tobi. Please leave only positive or constructive criticism, for I am only making this thread to express an idea I have. Thank you.

Tobi's Body:

We know that Tobi cannot be Madara, considering that the Kyuubi never noticed the same malicious chakra that he did once Edo Madara came forth. If he was even some half of Madara or something, the half would still contain Madara's chakra thus sparking Kyuubi's reaction earlier.

Now I recently read a thread about Tobi possibly being Izuna, Madara's brother. Heres what I think:

-Tobi keeps referring himself as a shell of his former self. What I think is that Madara found a way to implant his dead brother's DNA into a Zetsu clone. This could possibly be the other half of the Black Zetsu. The left side of the Original Zetsu. Check out this picture:



What is suspicious about this is that there isn't enough of his mask to shroud over as much shadow as it casts. At first, you are fooled to believe that the mask casts a shadow over his left side. But in that case, there would have to be alot of mask over his eye still to cover that much. The mask comes up too short to cover the whole left side of his face like that. So it would appear that his entire left side is black, rather than a shadow being cast over it.

I.What I believe here is that Tobi's left side is the other Black Zetsu, considering the other black side is on the right half of the other Zetsu body. Tobi's left half is the missing black side.
This goes into my next point. I believe that by implanting Izuna's cells into black Zetsu, Madara was able to emulate his brother's body as it was upon death. This means that he wouldnt have any eyes, just his other body features. One half is Izuna's aged DNA and the other half is Black Zetsu. Also at one point in time, when Tobi's left arm was cut, there was white ooze rather than blood coming out. This also supports my belief of his Black Zetsu side.

-Now alot of you may say, well when he got his arm blown off by Konan, there wasn't any white ooze portrayed at all. But this is because Konan blew off his right arm, not left. See here:



-So now we have: Black Zetsu implanted with Izuna's DNA. This would cause his right side to become similar to Izuna's. However the catch would be that since it's his brother's actual DNA, then the flesh that is created would age like it would regularly. This would cause the wrinkles we see on his face, because Izuna's age would be way over the time where wrinkles develop. So Black Zetsu basically grows his missing side to look like Izuna during his death. The hair would grow the same, since the original Zetsu has both sides covered in the same green hair. However, he would be missing his Sharingan because Madara took them for his EMS. Here is my other part of my theory.

Tobi's Sharingan:

II.When Obito died, his left eye was taken by Kakashi and his right eye remained under rock. What I believe is that Tobi found Obito's dead body and slipped through the rock using by becoming intangible to steal Obito's right Sharingan. This would support the reason why only Tobi's right eye can do his Space Time Jutsu. The left eye would be replaced with a normal Sharingan, capable of losing it's sight to Izanagi. What I think is that Tobi's Space Time Warp is like a more powerful version of Kamui. Since Tobi has Uchiha blood in him, he is able to perfect the true Kamui that Obito would have unlocked if he was still alive. If you compare the two different Kamui's while watching the anime, they are completely identical aside from Tobi's being more perfect.

III.I dont believe in the Tobi=Obito theories. But I think that Tobi just stole a little of Obito's identity and maybe chose that name hopefully to throw people off. He did steal Madara's identity, so its very likely he could have done the same.


Conclusion: Basically, heres a quick summary of what Im saying. Im saying that Tobi is a combination of the left side of Black Zetsu and Izuna's DNA gathered at his death. This causes Black Zetsu to develop a side that is perfectly identical to Izuna's body upon death. This means that he is missing his Sharingan still, so Tobi slips through the rock that crushed Obito and stole his right Sharingan which was the one that Obito had left. Tobi steals a little of Obito's identity and gains access to perfect Kamui in his right eye, hence why we only see him use his warp with that eye. The other eye is replaced with one of the other many Sharingan he has.

Also, since Zetsu was implanted with Hashirama's cells, this could enable him to use Izanagi. Since one of the requirements of using Izanagi is to have the Sharingan and Senju DNA.


So thank you for reading this :) and please leave what you think below! Share this thread if you like it!

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Tobi's left hand was bleeding.

Secondly from what we know the ms gives the user 3 techniques. A different technique in each eye. If kakashi has kamui and tobi's also has obito's eye both cannot use kamui
 

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i am very impressed with this wile you do not have many post you often speak the truth more so than experienced members i like your theory. +rep

wait i have to spread some around i give you some sometime soon

Thank you for the support!
 

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Tobi's left hand was bleeding.

Secondly from what we know the ms gives the user 3 techniques. A different technique in each eye. If kakashi has kamui and tobi's also has obito's eye both cannot use kamui

This is quite true! Yes, I do realize that it was most likely blood on his arm rather than the white fluid I spoke of. Also, I did forget that the MS grants an ability for each eye.

I appreciate you pointing these things out, it helps since I cannot remember every detail in the manga when constructing these threads.
 

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This is quite true! Yes, I do realize that it was most likely blood on his arm rather than the white fluid I spoke of. Also, I did forget that the MS grants an ability for each eye.

I appreciate you pointing these things out, it helps since I cannot remember every detail in the manga when constructing these threads.

Cool :)
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Mhm interesting theory, however u did hiccup at the point where he got obito right eye, the vid explicitly stated tht his right half was crushed, I honestly don't see use in a completely crushed eye!

Again, another detail from the series I have overlooked. Thank you for mentioning this, I will look into it as I rethink my theory.

However, I dont think that his entire right side was crushed to that much of an extreme extent. Dont get me wrong, it was crushed heavily but if his right side was close to being flattened then he wouldnt have been able to speak properly to ask Rin to give Kakashi his Sharingan.

It would have to have been close to flattened in order for his eye to be crushed completely. Because even if the rock smashed his body, eyes have more viscosity than flesh. It would have to have been flattened against the surface under his body in order to be completely crushed.
 

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I personally think that it was a combination of both Zetsus to make Tobi. Madara on his death bed, after making Zetsu (possibly with the help of Orochimaru), had the white Zetsu copy his chakra making a perfect duplicate of himself, then used the black zetsu to copy his conciousness into what we now know as Tobi. Just a theory.

True, this could also be the reason why he states that he is a shell of his former self. The Zetsu's probably couldnt replicate his chakra entirely and just made a body with a consciousness.
 

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looking at that picture, i dont think it was blood that was dripping off and the caption next to it says "ZRYU" which sounds like a sound that a weird substance would make and the chain is going through his hand.
 

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looking at that picture, i dont think it was blood that was dripping off and the caption next to it says "ZRYU" which sounds like a sound that a weird substance would make and the chain is going through his hand.

Ive just noticed that his left hand is flesh in that panel. According to my theory, it should be black if his other half was Black Zetsu. Maybe hes partially Black Zetsu and Izuna's DNA consumed more shape over certain parts of his darker body parts.

We will see for sure what kind of substance it is once they get to this part in the anime. I should be soon, since Naruto meets Kushina sometime when he fights with Kyuubi with Killer Bee.
 

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Ummm kinda way off - not exactly what I believe.... There r spots in ur theory that it doesnt make any sense at all.... Anywayz +Rep for trying
 
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Tobi can't revive destroyed sharingans if he could he would have did it when Danzo crushed Shisui's eye. I believe when a person takes a sharingan that he/she wasn't born with and levels it up to an Mangekyou they unlock techniques similar to how amaterasu is brought from 1 dimension to another. When you put out the flames in amaterasu the flames don't just get put out but the mangekyou putting them out is just sending them back to the dimension they got it from. So for example instead of having ama and tsuku techs tobi/Kakashi have dimensional techs but tobi having uchiha dna is able to fully utilize this tech to not just send things to a different dimensions but he can also bring things out of the dimension where as Kakashi can only send things. I hope this makes since.
 
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