Tobacco Users

[Deviation]

I am a social smoker. It's more fun that way. xd

 

[Avani]

How many smokers and chewers are out there? Almost the whole population smokes or chews and I have met a lot of smokers and chewers and none of them have any of those 2 pictures.

Also, you do what you do to enjoy your time, but I enjoy smoking. I mean you can continue to to throw aside my opinions and be a douche, or you could realize other people enjoy other things.

Some people enjoy skydiving, but they are also putting their life on the line.



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It's not a matter of your opinion, only. You can sky dive all you want. I don't care if you jump from the 21st story of a building either as long as you do not fall on someone else and hurt them too. Smokers annoy me because they pollute the air I breath in as well and make me inhale that unwanted poison.

You see, many of them do not care if there are little kids in the area either and too rude to put it off when requested. They tend to get aggressive and argumentative.

Smokers got my kid's balloon pop( That smoker was talking to someone else and didn't notice where his had with cigarette touched when passing by, leaving a crying baby in my hands while he simply walked off) ), my mother's dress ruined from it's stray ash a couple of times which still and some fire in it and got my own throat infection go worse.

My father is seriously allergic to it( he starts having trouble in breathing) and often we have to face difficulties when some of them start smoking nearby.

You can do anything for personal enjoyment but if hurts others even a little, they are going to have an opinion about it as well. And you will have to put up with it especially when you post a topic in the serious discussion section of the forum. If you just want chit chat with like minded people Chaterbox is a better place.

And do not double post. I will have to merge your posts.

Sorry 2 hear.

Thanks. It was really a pity to see him in his last days. He didn't even chew tobacco directly. He was addicted to a product which had it in heavy amount. A paan masala advertised as a mouth freshener. It kind of started with a locked jaw but they didn't realize it till it was too late.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Chew tobacco :

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I didn't know that's called enjoying time.

Not to forget the additional problems caused due to it like constipation leading to fistula or gangrene foot if someone has an additional condition like diabetes etc.. Some really enjoyable effects indeed..:|

PS: Kissing a smoker ...eewwww

Haha...so were whippin out the pictures now eh? Honestly, there are so many things out there that are "bad" for you, but tobacco seems to be the one everyone wants to target. Sooo much money is spent on ridiculous ads and commercials of comparing cigarettes to like cat urine? And dog fecal matter? The lengths people will go to attack tobacco companies is absurd.

Especially when so many kids are overweight from poor diet and lack of exercise (I think its something like 1 out of 4 kids is obese). Yet you don't see the money spent on slamming McDonalds or Call of Duty. Diabetes is way more of a threat than lung cancer will ever be. Still, we see waves and waves and waves of McDonalds, BK, Taco Bell commercials on TV. How many cigarette ads do you see on TV? Ill answer for you...its zero. For some reason, we've reached a double standard with what we feel is an acceptable "unhealthy" choice. It's just hypocritical is all.

Life's tough. School, work, relationships, expenses, keeping in shape, trying to eat healthy, family, and so much more. Its stressful. And what helps me relax when I'm typing up a paper, or grading them is getting a smooth buzz from a little dip. Or taking a drag on my home.

To each his/her own I say!

Smokers annoy me because they pollute the air I breath in as well and make me inhale that unwanted poison.

With this. Absolutely you have point. I hate to see people in a public park, school, restaurant, etc. smoking when others might not be comfortable with it. You're 100% right about this. But again, you have soo many other things that people do in public arenas that are inappropriate. Off the top of my head, texting and driving, drinking and driving, hell even eating and driving, talking on a cell phone in public (like too loud), using a phone in a theatre, etc. I think its safe to say do "anything" in public that might be bothersome to those around you is inappropriate, smoking included, but it shouldn't be put on blast any more than the other things I mentioned.

 

[Avani]

Haha...so were whippin out the pictures now eh? Honestly, there are so many things out there that are "bad" for you, but tobacco seems to be the one everyone wants to target. Sooo much money is spent on ridiculous ads and commercials of comparing cigarettes to like cat urine? And dog fecal matter? The lengths people will go to attack tobacco companies is absurd.

Especially when so many kids are overweight from poor diet and lack of exercise (I think its something like 1 out of 4 kids is obese). Yet you don't see the money spent on slamming McDonalds or Call of Duty. Diabetes is way more of a threat than lung cancer will ever be. Still, we see waves and waves and waves of McDonalds, BK, Taco Bell commercials on TV. How many cigarette ads do you see on TV? Ill answer for you...its zero. For some reason, we've reached a double standard with what we feel is an acceptable "unhealthy" choice. It's just hypocritical is all.

Life's tough. School, work, relationships, expenses, keeping in shape, trying to eat healthy, family, and so much more. Its stressful. And what helps me relax when I'm typing up a paper, or grading them is getting a smooth buzz from a little dip. Or taking a drag on my home.

To each his/her own I say!




With this. Absolutely you have point. I hate to see people in a public park, school, restaurant, etc. smoking when others might not be comfortable with it. You're 100% right about this. But again, you have soo many other things that people do in public arenas that are inappropriate. Off the top of my head, texting and driving, drinking and driving, hell even eating and driving, talking on a cell phone in public (like too loud), using a phone in a theatre, etc. I think its safe to say do "anything" in public that might be bothersome to those around you is inappropriate, smoking included, but it shouldn't be put on blast any more than the other things I mentioned.

You do not want me to post images of diabetics who smoke. So do not provoke me with what's worse..

Truth is that tobacco companies launched too many products in the market and got too many innocent/ignorant victims on their hands.

I have no idea where do you live but here, I have seen toothpastes with tobacco in it and people get addicted to it. A little girl in my 5 th grade class was addicted to paan masala . I haven't seen her since but even then her teeth were getting stained and her parents didn't realize that they shouldn't let her buy this kind of thing.

(Government here tried to ban paan masala but it's still not controlled fully. And I didn't hear any laws about the toothpaste. In rural areas they are sold a lot and there are even less likely to get timely medical attention)

It's all well and nice to live in protected environment where you do not realize the full effects. I know that the problems of tobacco are more in control in developed world where the awareness and health facilities are better. But it's uses are on increase in Asian countries and here there are hardly any laws or social awareness about it. As a result patients with these problems are on the rise horribly.

With this. Absolutely you have point. I hate to see people in a public park, school, restaurant, etc. smoking when others might not be comfortable with it. You're 100% right about this. But again, you have soo many other things that people do in public arenas that are inappropriate. Off the top of my head, texting and driving, drinking and driving, hell even eating and driving, talking on a cell phone in public (like too loud), using a phone in a theatre, etc. I think its safe to say do "anything" in public that might be bothersome to those around you is inappropriate, smoking included, but it shouldn't be put on blast any more than the other things I mentioned.

What makes you think that I condone those? I didn't mention them because they were not the topic of discussion. But , please, do not mix different problems. Just because some people indulge in other kind of risky behaviour , it doesn't neutralizes the problems arising of the first.

I am only against making such a habit a cool thing when the risks are so horrifying. A slow but terrible death is not something to look forward to.

 

[Souji]

I used to be asthmatic. So yeah, smoking is a definite plus for me.

/sarcasm

 

[6ari8]

I hate cigarettes.

I only smoke this

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Shisha!

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

You do not want me to post images of diabetics who smoke. So do not provoke me with what's worse..

Tobacco companies launched too many products in the market and got too many innocent/ignorant victims on their hands.

I have no idea where do you live but here, I have seen toothpastes with tobacco in it and people get addicted to it. A little girl in my 5 th grade class was addicted to paan masala . I haven't seen her since but even then her teeth were getting stained and her parents didn't realize that they shouldn't let her buy this kind of thing.

It's all well and nice to live in protected environment where you do not realize the full effects. I know that the problems of tobacco are more in control in developed world where the awareness and health facilities are better. But it's uses are on increase in Asian countries and here there are hardly any laws or social awareness about it. The results and patients with these problems are on the rise horribly.

I live in the U.S, so you're right, I certainly have a different perspective on the issue. So I will try not to speak on matters of which I have no experience. But if I can make a point...

"Tobacco companies launched too many products in the market and got too many innocent/ignorant victims on their hands."

Honestly, you could take the word "tobacco" out of that sentence and it would be just as valid. "Companies launch too many products in the market and get too many innocent/ ignorant victims on their hands." Its no secret that many large companies have a crooked spine. One example that comes to mind is the pharmaceutical company Bayer who released ibuprofen that was infected with HIV into a smaller markets when it was rejected by the U.S, Europe and Asia...they didn't want to "take a loss."

I understand your frustration with Tobacco companies, if what you say is true (and I have no reason not to believe you) than those actions are irreprehensible. However, don't go pointing the finger at "Tobacco Companies" as if they are all in cahoots together trying to destroy peoples lives (which I feel like is what people are trying to say), when it was most likely, one company. Think about Nike, and that accusations of having children work in sweatshops, or BP, and the irreversible damage they caused to the planet. Yet, I don't hear people slamming all oil companies on their drilling techniques. Or people blaming all shoe companies for Nike's mistakes.

My point is, Tobacco companies, like every other type of business, have shady areas and practices. That's the nature of the big business world, its a shame, but its not all of them. What is unfair though, is not being able to distinguish the good from the bad...and have the "good" suffer from the "bads" actions.


If what you say is true, then absolutely, that company should be held accountable (although they most likely wont, which I admit is a terrible thing). However, I know tobacco companies (company?) are not the only ones taking advantage of places that don't have strict regulations...I have already pointed out Nike.

 

[Avani]

I live in the U.S, so you're right, I certainly have a different perspective on the issue. So I will try not to speak on matters of which I have no experience. But if I can make a point...

"Tobacco companies launched too many products in the market and got too many innocent/ignorant victims on their hands."

Honestly, you could take the word "tobacco" out of that sentence and it would be just as valid. "Companies launch too many products in the market and get too many innocent/ ignorant victims on their hands. Its no secret that many large companies have a crooked spine. One example that comes to mind is the pharmaceutical company Bayer who released ibuprofen that was infected with HIV into a smaller markets when it was rejected by the U.S, Europe and Asia...they didn't want to "take a loss."

I understand your frustration with Tobacco companies, if what you say is true (and I have no reason not to believe you) than those actions are irreprehensible. However, don't go pointing the finger at "Tobacco Companies" as if they are all in cahoots together trying to destroy peoples lives (which I feel like is what people are trying to say), when it was most likely, one company. Think about Nike, and that accusations of having children work in sweatshops, or BP, and the irreversible damage they caused to the planet. Yet, I don't hear people slamming all oil companies on their drilling techniques. Or people blaming all shoe companies for Nike's mistakes.

My point is, Tobacco companies, like every other type of business, have shady areas and practices. That's the nature of the big business world, its a shame, but its not all of them. What is unfair though, is not being able to distinguish the good from the bad...and have the "good" suffer from the "bads" actions.

There are several companies involved in these businesses. and it reflects on the industry as a whole. It's not like only paan masala harms people. Tobacco harms in any form. It's only that many people taking paan massla/toothpaste thought that they were not risking anything. But that was true for many early smokers too.

 

[Souji]

I live in the U.S, so you're right, I certainly have a different perspective on the issue. So I will try not to speak on matters of which I have no experience. But if I can make a point...

"Tobacco companies launched too many products in the market and got too many innocent/ignorant victims on their hands."

Honestly, you could take the word "tobacco" out of that sentence and it would be just as valid. "Companies launch too many products in the market and get too many innocent/ ignorant victims on their hands." Its no secret that many large companies have a crooked spine. One example that comes to mind is the pharmaceutical company Bayer who released ibuprofen that was infected with HIV into a smaller markets when it was rejected by the U.S, Europe and Asia...they didn't want to "take a loss."

I understand your frustration with Tobacco companies, if what you say is true (and I have no reason not to believe you) than those actions are irreprehensible. However, don't go pointing the finger at "Tobacco Companies" as if they are all in cahoots together trying to destroy peoples lives (which I feel like is what people are trying to say), when it was most likely, one company. Think about Nike, and that accusations of having children work in sweatshops, or BP, and the irreversible damage they caused to the planet. Yet, I don't hear people slamming all oil companies on their drilling techniques. Or people blaming all shoe companies for Nike's mistakes.

My point is, Tobacco companies, like every other type of business, have shady areas and practices. That's the nature of the big business world, its a shame, but its not all of them. What is unfair though, is not being able to distinguish the good from the bad...and have the "good" suffer from the "bads" actions.


If what you say is true, then absolutely, that company should be held accountable (although they most likely wont, which I admit is a terrible thing). However, I know tobacco companies (company?) are not the only ones taking advantage of places that don't have strict regulations...I have already pointed out Nike.

We're not commenting on shady business practices. Ira's talking about the health effects of tobacco usage.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

There are several companies involved in these businesses. and it reflects on the industry as a whole. It's not like only paan masala harms people. Tobacco harms in any form. It's only that many people taking paan massla/toothpaste thought that they were not risking anything. But that was true for many early smokers too.

See that exactly is the point I'm making, "...it reflects the industry as a whole." That's just unfair, and baseless to be honest. It doesn't. It reflects those companies, and that should be all it affects. Listen, it seems you may have been personally affected by "Big Tobacco" and if that's the case, for its worth I am truly sorry. But, you have a horse in this race (or debate) so it's hard to look at it from a biased POV. Like I said earlier. Nike's mistakes didn't reflect the entire shoe industry (and it shouldn't). And BP's mistakes did not reflect the entire oil industry (and it shouldn't). What upsets me, is that nothing has been done to these companies, and others like them, including the corrupt Tobacco companies. A multi-million dollar fine, slap on the wrist and everything is status quo, and it's unfair, I know this as well as anyone. But again, its companies...not Tobacco companies.

To your point about early smokers not knowing the "risks". Its been known that Tobacco carries risk for over a hundred years...so I can't see that point being a relevant issue.

We're not commenting on shady business practices. Ira's talking about the health effects of tobacco usage.

Her point against Tobacco companies was that they slipped tobacco products in to tooth paste (some would call that a "shady" business practice, but you may not). The point I was making is that while that is atrocious, its not something you can label all tobacco companies do.

 

[Jack Spicer]

My brother and his friends chew. My grandfather smokes. I'm not into it. To me, it's really disgusting, but it doesn't bother me that they do it at all. It's their business, makes them happy, so that's cool for them.

Anyways, my brother likes Wintergreen as well I believe.

 

[-Punk-]

The atmosphere is already contaminated , people in general are victims of it & can get cancer even without smoking ,sure smoking increases your chances of getting cancer but at the same time you might never get it & have been smokin your whole life , i know family members like that .

In the end is all about luck really . So don't be ignorant & say if you smoke you will die cause in the end the smoker might never get cancer & you could .

 

[Avani]

See that exactly is the point I'm making, "...it reflects the industry as a whole." That's just unfair, and baseless to be honest. It doesn't. It reflects those companies, and that should be all it affects. Listen, it seems you may have been personally affected by "Big Tobacco" and if that's the case, for its worth I am truly sorry. But, you have a horse in this race (or debate) so it's hard to look at it from a biased POV. Like I said earlier. Nike's mistakes didn't reflect the entire shoe industry (and it shouldn't). And BP's mistakes did not reflect the entire oil industry (and it shouldn't). What upsets me, is that nothing has been done to these companies, and others like them, including the corrupt Tobacco companies. A multi-million dollar fine, slap on the wrist and everything is status quo, and it's unfair, I know this as well as anyone. But again, its companies...not Tobacco companies.

To your point about early smokers not knowing the "risks". Its been known that Tobacco carries risk for over a hundred years...so I can't see that point being a relevant issue.





Her point against Tobacco companies was that they slipped tobacco products in to tooth paste (some would call that a "shady" business practice, but you may not). The point I was making is that while that is atrocious, its not something you can label all tobacco companies do.

Nope I am talking about the health issues. Points about shady business practice were brought up by you- I just happen to quote your posts. Otherwise, I merely added a couple of more products in the list of OP. I repeated over and over that all the products containing tobacco are injurious to health regardless of the brands/products.

And I won't even reply the comments about business part for it's pretty obvious now that you are trying to divert the focus.

 

[Fodder#4]

I smoked Cheyanes, Cigars if cigarette form, for a year. and bummed Marlboro's off a friend every now and then.

 

[Naijakid]

Only delusional kids smoke

 

[Hebi Sasuke]

This is the first time I hear about tobbaco chewing! Gross ! Why would anyone in the world want to do that!? I do smoke cigarettes like a normal person should!

 

[Lady Mokusei]

I quit smoking.

But I used to smoke this

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or when I had enough money to buy it I was smoking this

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[Hippy]

I want to quit but its pretty tough especially when everyone around you smokes. I do however smoke Newport Menthols 100's.

 

[Jin Hayami]

Ugh American Spirits. The hipsters brand. I smoke Marlboro Reds, dip Copenhagen Wintergreen, and my preferred hookah tobacco flavor is brandy. If you don't like tobacco what are you doing on this thread? Anyone who can buy it legally is old enough to make their own decisions. I could go on every thread about food and lecture people about the crap they buy from McDonald's every day but I don't so please do the same.

 

[Professor Finesser]

I like hookah every once in a while.

But weed that's errday nigga.