Re: Tob, Edo Madara & Edo Nagato vs Hashirama, Minato, Itachi, Sasuke, Muu & Naruto
its a fact
edo madara>nagato
its a fact
tobi>nagato
any fight with nagato is usually 13 on 1 cos of his summons. add onto the fact hes mastered rinnegan and its limits better than tobi or madara ever did. including three soul ripping techniques.
he did defeat Madara twice
where is this established? we dont know how many conclusive battles they had
Naruto and Itachi defeated Nagato with bees help
they beat kabuto controlling nagatos body. nagato is a master and can think of rinnegan counters faster than someone who isnt him.
Madara & Tobi < Minato & Hash with Muu to ass
minato and hashirama stand no chance vs current tobi. tobi has no weaknesses besides the 5 minute thing and the fact he has to solidify first to warp hashi to his dimension.
and it seems to me your also forgetting tobi and edo madara have the same paths as nagato plus more.
two rinnegan > one. also madara seems to have barely scratched the surface of his paths or at least has not shown hes as good with it as nagato. madaras got raw strength. nagato has careful versatility and skill.
link me where it saids nagato has more experience with the rinnegan.
chapter 560. madara says he awakened rinnegan shortly before his death when nagato was a child. nagato was apparently born with it as he couldnt have been given madaras rinnegan. nagato was in constant warfare for almost all his life, adding to evidence he has more experience since he had nothing else to rely on.
yata blocks elemental attacks. meteor is just that.
Any sane person can see that i'm right. You take Madara's word so literally. What did he say?
"only Hashirama can stop me"
That must mean the Sage cannot, because he's not Hashirama.
Hashirama fanboy logic FAILS.
LOL... you are full of sh*t.
You think the sage cannot stop edo Madara?
seems your the one not sane. he was clearly explaining why madaras hype is unreliable. he has not fought sage, or nagato or naruto. but fans think him believing hashiramas power is proof only he can stop him. when hes had an embarassingly small amount of examples to go off.
BM Naruto and Itachi can beat Edo Nagato km naruto edo itachi and killer bee beat edo nagaato
edo nagato when having his mind controlled and focusing on removing the jins souls as per kabutos goals. nagato wouldnt fight like that. he doesnt want to kill jins. hed just restrain them and move on to the next opponent. also nagato had no use of his legs. this is edo nagato in control of himself and all his animal summons.
then it must be itachi from before part 1, meaning he might not have totsuka at that time.
Naruto solod 4 bijuus all at once
yeah and bee just stood there....read that chapter again
Team 2 Hasirama and Muu gets Madara
and die horribly.
Itachi and sauske gets Nagato
soul rip
. He seals, while Itachi`s Tsukoyomi says hello to Tobi
like it did in life? oh right itachis only assasination attempt on tobi was after his death
Plus Itachi is not Edo, so they have a single shot of Koto Amatsukami
its rigged to only react to itachis eyes. useless in most situations
in your original post you didnt say nagato had his own free will.
kabutos not here. whos supposed to take away said will?
Regardless, madara admitted that hashirama can defeat him thus making it pointless for madara to go against him.
by your logic itachi, kisame and akatsuki reinforcements > jiraiya. cos hey, itachi said so right? pains unbeatable because hey, konan said so right?
no its madaras opinion. he hasnt fought enough people to truly say hashirama > all
in the databooks hiruzen was supposedly called "strongest in history". does that mean he is stronger than rikudo sennin? no
your just proving my point. that was konohas opinion. it was never stated as a cold hard fact by kishi
Itachi has yata mirror. (spiritual weapon that cant be crushed or broken
how do you know? it reflects chakra attacks. one of the seven swords can crush any and all defence, and i bet suigetsu knows more about that than zetsu knows about rumours and legendfs
We have already seen that naruto can own tobi's jinchuriki
and you forgot he had help and didnt so much own them as make tobi put them back into gedo mazo.
And Edo Nagato has already been defeated by Itachi,
i love how you ignore that was immortal invincible itachi with the help of two incredibly powerful jinchurikis.
they should be able to seal him in itachi's spirit sword easy.
preta path
Edo Madara says himself Hashi can beat in the state that he's in now.(if u argue with this it means your calling kishi a lier.)
kishi is yet to show us this. the way madara said it it was like agreeing that hashirama beat his living self so he must be abel to still stop him despite knowing nothing about rinnegan. also madaras no longer alone. kabuto said its like hes fused both together.
"can beat" isnt "will always beat no matter what and has a counter for everything"
-itachi beats Nagato. -__-
hows he gonna do that? nagato is well aware of itachis MS and now he knows itachis a puss pacifist.
Edo Madara has all rinnegan techniques
until kishi shows "shinra tensei" or "bansho tennin" in those panels like he ALWAYS DID for nagato, ill believe you
you already know that madara wouldve never said that they could beat him but going by your logic they could beat him.
by madaras logic, hashirama can beat anyone ever. including tobi and nagato and sage of six paths. but madara hasnt fought those people so he isnt in a position to say "hashirama can beat me..also these other people way better at using rinnegan than me and that the only reason im even still here is my edo immortality".
plus didnt edo madara say that perfect susano was his full power. the perfect susano that hashirama already beat.
his full power NOW. edo madara is completely different to EMS madara due to kabutos enhancements and the time madara spent training after hashiramas death
the precious madara that you dickride so much stated himself that hashirama can beat him.
madara hasnt fought hashirama in his current state. even he doesnt know his own full power lol. hiruzen said he cant beat orochimaru before the roof battle but when he actually started doing so, he could have won if he wasnt so hesitant to fight his student and up against previous hokages
Team Hashirama have TWO people with sealing techniques
doesnt mean it will work. how many times has gaaras pyramid failed now?
hashirama solos madara by sealing
again, i doubt hashirama can see through a tobi genjutsu or madara mokuton clone. and nothing is stopping tobi from getting him free with space time powers. remember he can reach in and turn madara intangible, take him out and turn tangible again.
how does gedo mazu survive this or evade this
all of team 2 use preta path and one has 25 clones capable of it.
I agree with the databooks, however your still wrong on the subject that edo madara can't be defeated, as it was stated by edo madara himself that hashirama can stop him.
can, not will. hashirama isnt here to prove madara's beliefs about his power. konan said pains unbeatable. look whos wrong!
itachi yata mirror is the biggest advantage they have.
a featless purely hyped shield which was barely even explained in the databook. kakuzu said ALL physical attacks dont work on him. look whos wrong!
the fanbase would grow so large that even if madara himself says someone can beat him fanboys would deny it.
until we see it happen, which we wont, its just hype. like itachi admitting he cant beat jiraiya.
Minato's sealing techniques > Edo Tensei
when i see it ill believe it. only death god would work and that kills the user. thats if minato even has the chakra. nagato as an edo has soul removal and sealing techs of his own.
based on what feats?
no they die horribly
Naruto and itachi would rape CT
they arent exactly gonna be let standing there. nagato would be throwing shit at them as would madara while CT gathers up strength.
his yata mirror would block the attack idiot.
what feats suggest it blocks even a rank jutsus?
yata can change its shape and characteristics to block any attack making it useless
then team 1 goes around it because it obviously doesnt guard every direction
mu would just turn invisible
nagato is a sensor who felt kabutos chakra many miles away
no hashirama isnt just slightly>ems madara. he is >ems madara and the 100%kyuubi
hashirama is not > kyuubi. he can supress him. is hashirama faster. no. is he stronger. no. is he more experienced. no. in what world is hashirama overall superior to the kyuubi in any way other than the fact he can control kyuubis power? its like saying shisui > anyone and everyone.
madaras strongest weapon is perfect susano. hashirama already beat it.
theres a reason hes not using it to finish the kages. he doesnt want to ruin its reputation of killing anyone who sees it.
where is it stated that mokuton had mind control powers similar to the sharingan?
what else is it supposed to do? if it only calms them down and supresses them then how did he transport the bijuus to other villages and how did he keep them under control when he wasnt around?
you cant use common sense to deduce that as time passed they got stronger.
hashirama died at least 60 years ago. logic deduces madara at least closed the gap
ITS CALLED THE FKEN SEALING SCROLL
scrolls are used for many things
you do realize that tobi cant fight when gedo mazo or the bijuus are out right?
and yet did when he put a hand through narutos damn head!
hashirama beats madara as he already beat madaras strongest weapon in the past
by your logic, sasuke > naruto because sasuke beat narutos strongest weapon (kyuubi). and by your logic nagato > naruto since nagato raped KCM naruto
he can warp it to somewhere else with his space time barrier just like he did with kurama.
then tobi summons it right back.
we already saw that ems madara was unconscious after the VOTE fight.
so why didnt hashi finish him off
Naruto, Itachi, Minato and Hashirama on one side and you expect any other team to win against them????
of course. when its madara and tobi and nagato your talking about
itachi yata mirror can change shape and just tank it
that assumes it can change shape faster than tobi's space time ninjutsu. tobi can simply walk right past it though.
Do I have to remember you that Hashirama collected them?
remind me where its said hashi solo'd all of them at once
