Toads vs. Pain Summons

[Zurita210]

Ppl
as much as i remember
there r ranks in summoning frogs
one cannot summong all frogs immediatly
when they grow stronger they can summon stronger frogs
naruto is stronger than jiraiya (next generation surpasses the previous)
so he can summon stronger frogs and more of em at same time probably to

ITs not really about ranks, I believe. Check out Naruto he summoned Gamabunta right off the bat, and Gamabunta is one of the strongest Toads. All it takes is chakra and learning how summon them. Naruto was a Genin and he summoned one of the strongest Toads.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

Most of the toads did respect Jiraiya.

I'm not sure about Gamabunta, though.

Gamabunta respected Jiraiya, but didn't allow him to :

1: be his absolute master like katsuyi (the slug summon)

2:summon him whenever he wanted

That's the difference.

From what we know, only the 4th was fully obedient and respected by gamabunta, that tells you what naruto has become!

 

[-Naruto Uzumaki-]

Well said, Zurita.

 

[Riku..]

Gamabunta respected Jiraiya, but didn't allow him to :

1: be his absolute master like katsuyi (the slug summon)

2:summon him whenever he wanted

That's the difference.

From what we know, only the 4th was fully obedient and respected by gamabunta, that tells you what naruto has become!

how does that tell u what naruto HAS become? maybe WILL become

 

[-Naruto Uzumaki-]

Gamabunta respected Jiraiya, but didn't allow him to :

1: be his absolute master like katsuyi (the slug summon)

2:summon him whenever he wanted

That's the difference.

From what we know, only the 4th was fully obedient and respected by gamabunta, that tells you what naruto has become!

That's not what I would call respect...

 

[-Naruto Uzumaki-]

Gamabunta respected Jiraiya, but didn't allow him to :

1: be his absolute master like katsuyi (the slug summon)

2:summon him whenever he wanted

That's the difference.

From what we know, only the 4th was fully obedient and respected by gamabunta, that tells you what naruto has become!

That's not what I would call respect...and I said I wasn't sure about Bunta.

 

[Zurita210]

i meant that didn't he have to be more powerful then his toads? to summone something u have to be more powerful than that something right? Naruto for example was not stronger than the toads he needed the nine tailed fox who was more powerful than them... right?

My bad dude, now I understand what ur trying to say. You dont have to be powerful to summon Toads, its just about having enough chakra and learning how to use it to do summons. True he did need the 9 tails chakra to summon Gamabunta, but I guess now that Naruto's learned how to control and bring out his own chakra, he doesnt need the 9 tails. But as respect goes, thats up to the Toads wether they think your a good enough ninja, by looking at your techniques and way of thinking and battle strategies, im guessing they look at that as a point to judge you on. Which Naruto really had none of these but did have heart and guts which Gamabunta commented on when Naruto first summoned him.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

how does that tell u what naruto HAS become? maybe WILL become

true, I didn't say he was anything, only that he could control gamabunta!

That's not what I would call respect...and I said I wasn't sure about Bunta.

?? be more clear pls.

 

[Zurita210]

Everyone talks about the 4th being one of the greatest ninjas and being a genious and he was. Thats why he was the 4th and thats why he had the respect of Gamabunta and was the only one who could fully control him.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

Everyone talks about the 4th being one of the greatest ninjas and being a genious and he was. Thats why he was the 4th and thats why he had the respect of Gamabunta and was the only one who could fully control him.

?? no, jiraiya had the opportunity to become hokage(2 time I think,when the 3rd was alive he wanted him, and when the 3rd died), so it has nothing to do with being hokage or not!

It's about guts, you have to be a true never-giving-up ninja!

And most of all u have to have the will of fire.


Maybe it's the perv side of jiraiya that bunta doesn't like lol

 

[Loony_1]

toads

Those where the toad sages Naruto didn't summon them all at once they all reversummoned him to Konaha.

check page 6 0f the manga

 

[Zurita210]

?? no, jiraiya had the opportunity to become hokage(2 time I think,when the 3rd was alive he wanted him, and when the 3rd died), so it has nothing to do with being hokage or not!

It's about guts, you have to be a true never-giving-up ninja!

And most of all u have to have the will of fire.


Maybe it's the perv side of jiraiya that bunta doesn't like lol

True, but I was just pointing out that the 4th was a great ninja, his techniques and battle strategies, etc. Read my other posts from before, I talk about what u just said. Naruto was kind of clumsy and annoying at the begining but now he is grown. Maybe ur right, Gamabunta didnt have full respect towards Jman cuz he tends to act like a kid and is perverted LOL

 

[izzy89]

?? no, jiraiya had the opportunity to become hokage(2 time I think,when the 3rd was alive he wanted him, and when the 3rd died), so it has nothing to do with being hokage or not!

It's about guts, you have to be a true never-giving-up ninja!

And most of all u have to have the will of fire.


Maybe it's the perv side of jiraiya that bunta doesn't like lol

Ha! Good point...even though Zurita never said anything about "hokage", just that Minato was the greatest.....so he probably had everything that you said was required to gain respect from a summon....

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

Ha! Good point...even though Zurita never said anything about "hokage", just that Minato was the greatest.....so he probably had everything that you said was required to gain respect from a summon....

hooo, I taught he talked about hokage changing something... My bad... even though it doesn't change anything to my point!

 

[-Naruto Uzumaki-]

true, I didn't say he was anything, only that he could control gamabunta!



?? be more clear pls.

I meant I didn't know if I would consider Bunta respectful to Jiraiya.

 

[Nasuki]

Yeah, what is he trying to say?

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

I meant I didn't know if I would consider Bunta respectful to Jiraiya.

well, let's say bunta was ready to help jiraiya, but wasn't his pet...

 

[squiremarcus]

I belive that pein will leave before he is dead

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

I belive that pein will leave before he is dead

well technically, Pein can't die, he just get revived over and over again, so let's say nagato will be out of chakra and will have to make them leave...

But on my side, I think that he just sign his dead sentence by destroying the village, naruto will never let him get away...