Toad Summoning Misconception

[MickNerks]

I heard people mostly on the Vs threads, but also in disscussion threads saying that Naruto can't summon Ma and Pa, becuase he has never done it before and doesnt know how.

This is one of the huge misconceptions on the base that needs to be cleared up.

1. When you make a contract with a species of animals you have the ability to summon all the animals that that contract applies to. This is why naruto didnt have to sign multiple contracts to summon different toads. He could summon tadpoles, baby toads, and then Gamabunta.

2. This is explained by jiraiya when he first explains to naruto how to summon and lets him summon the toad contract. The only thing that decides who you can summon, is the amount of chakra you use to make the summon.

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3. This is also why he was able to summon gamabunta in the first place. Becuase he had to use the kyuubi's chakra, becuase at the time he didnt have the amount of chakra necesary to summon gamabunta.

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4.Now it's obvious that Ma and Pa are way more powerful than gamabunta, gamahiro, and gamaken, so it would require a larger amount of chakra to summon them. And honestly the reason naruto hasnt summoned them yet, is mostly becuase he doesnt or hasnt needed them.

Think about it. Jiraiya only summoned them when he entered sage mode, but besides that he only summoned gamabunta or his brothers. Naruto has perfect sage mode, so they summoning isnt required for him.


Naruto has displayed the ability to summon all the boss toads and the small ones under them. I dont see why people truely believed that if he really needed them, that he couldnt summon Ma and Pa.

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[Snape Uchiha]

Yes he can summon them, but probably won't since he goes into Sage Mode without them.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Naruto would probably have summoned them more often if Kurama would just allow them to bunk with him.

 

[MickNerks]

Yes he can summon them, but probably won't since he goes into Sage Mode without them.

Exactly

Naruto would probably have summoned them more often if Kurama would just allow them to bunk with him.

Yeah, but that probally isnt even neccesary now, since naruto's clones can independantly enter sage mode. So, naruto can still fight in BM or KCM, and have his clone go SM.

 

[Optimistic]

I've never seen anyone deny this in a verses thread.Oh well you learn something new every day.

 

[Xlad]

Already knew this. There is no such thing as a selective contract. Only one contract is needed.

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[~Puppet Master~]

I like your explanation, but summoning Ma and Pa requires the user to keep their hands together for a long time, we can't be sure if Naruto has learned this process.

 

[nandachikara]

he has the chakra to summon mount mboyuku if he wants hehehe.

 

[Kurama2012]

never thought this was an issue

 

[Frikid]

it is assumption until happen in manga.
this is like saying minato can use sage mode.

 

[Honord Sage]

Reverse Summoning,Pa can Summon Naruto and Naruto can Summon Pa its gust He hasn't had need to Jiraiya did it,He summon Ma and Pa. against Pain.

 

[MickNerks]

I've never seen anyone deny this in a verses thread.Oh well you learn something new every day.

Go to the current Kisame >> Naruto in vs. thread, or others old ones I came across weeks ago, just scanning thru.

 

[AlphaScythian]

SO????? Minato isnt good enough for SM, so he could never summon them. KCM edo minato is another story.

 

[Almighty Ra]

I like your explanation, but summoning Ma and Pa requires the user to keep their hands together for a long time, we can't be sure if Naruto has learned this process.

I believe that only applied towards Jiraya since he couldn't go into full sage mode like Naruto and needed Ma & Pa to enter Sage mode

 

[MickNerks]

I like your explanation, but summoning Ma and Pa requires the user to keep their hands together for a long time, we can't be sure if Naruto has learned this process.

I dont think its a requirement to keep your hand together. As i said in the OT i think it requires alot of chakra to summon them. I think when jiraiya was clasping his hand together he was simply molding/gather his chakra so that he would have enought to summon both of them.​

it is assumption until happen in manga.
this is like saying minato can use sage mode.

Actually its not.

Naruto signed the contract so its a gareentee that he can summon them because they are inhabitants of Mount Toad. Saying Minato has learned sage mode is completely different becuase no one has given reference to minato accomplishing this feat.

Even when naruto was training for sage mode, Pa only refered to him surpassing jiraiya, but made no mention of minato.

Naruto has signed the contract that would allow him to summon ma and pa, its been done and shown in the manga. And jiraiya also explained that who you summons has to do with how much chakra is place in the technique. So, its possible for naruto to do it he just hasnt shown it.

Another example would be might guy and his eight gate. Might guy has never used it, but that dioesnt mean that he cant. The situation hasnt arised yet for him to need to use it.​

 

[MickNerks]

SO????? Minato isnt good enough for SM, so he could never summon them. KCM edo minato is another story.

I apologize, I dont undersatnd what you are asking.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

People say the same about minato. He made the contract so he can summon any toad, and yet in vs threads he's denied ma and pa simply because "he hasn't summoned them yet"

 

[Frikid]

I dont think its a requirement to keep your hand together. As i said in the OT i think it requires alot of chakra to summon them. I think when jiraiya was clasping his hand together he was simply molding/gather his chakra so that he would have enought to summon both of them.



Actually its not.

Naruto signed the contract so its a gareentee that he can summon them because they are inhabitants of Mount Toad. Saying Minato has learned sage mode is completely different becuase no one has given reference to minato accomplishing this feat.

Even when naruto was training for sage mode, Pa only refered to him surpassing jiraiya, but made no mention of minato.

Naruto has signed the contract that would allow him to summon ma and pa, its been done and shown in the manga. And jiraiya also explained that who you summons has to do with how much chakra is place in the technique. So, its possible for naruto to do it he just hasnt shown it.

Another example would be might guy and his eight gate. Might guy has never used it, but that dioesnt mean that he cant. The situation hasnt arised yet for him to need to use it.​

Might guy has taught lee eight gates mode and lee has done it, So obviously guy can also do it.

Naruto haven't summon Ma and Pa in the manga, so we cannot say he can do it.
One guy also posted the data book page which says all depends on user's skill .
We all know , in terms of skill , naruto isn't that good. Like for example , he still can't do rasengan with one hand, a technique he has done millions of times.

 

[MickNerks]

People say the same about minato. He made the contract so he can summon any toad, and yet in vs threads he's denied ma and pa simply because "he hasn't summoned them yet"

Yeah.

Minato should be able to summon Ma and Pa, becuase he has summoned the contract. Its like saying orochimaru couldnt summon manda because technically he never was shown summoning it. Kabuto had to summon it for him.

People limit others abilities when they dont want that person to be stronger than they already are.​

 

[AlphaScythian]

I apologize, I dont undersatnd what you are asking.

"Jiraiya only summoned them when he entered sage mode"

Minato never had stamina for SM. If jiraya couldnt summon them w/o it, then neither would alive minato.
KCM gives u powerful chakra comparable to SM, so now he could.