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[muang]

Who Tobi is.

*Please read all of it, i put effort on typing all this out.*

Alright here we go, Remember how the 3 clans were formed right?

The Sage of Six Paths had 2 children.

1. Inherited the Ocular power -> Rinnegan
2. Inherited the Sage's body -> Brute strength, maybe speed too but not mentioned

We know that the one that inherited the ocular power or his descendant was cursed and that I believe is the start of the Uchiha clan - the Sharingan.

The reason why we know the Sharingan is cursed is because the child of the SO6P that inherited the Rinnegan believe 'power is the key to achieve peace' whereas the other one said 'love is the key to achieve peace'

I believe (My theory) the child with the Rinnegan did massive extermination etc. and was cursed by either his brother or his own father. Seems reasonable right? But more likely his brother, why? read on..

So there are 2 branches. Senju + Uchiha

The Uzumaki is distantly related to the Senju.

Why was it that it is more likely his brother who cursed the Rinnegan son.
As we know that the Senju and Uchiha always fought and are each other's enemy, that's why - still that's not 100% true because they were paid to fight (mercenaries).

According to Madara the Sharingan can be evolve to become Rinnegan. Which is really reliable as why on earth would he lie, right?

So we know that the Senju will not inherit the Rinnegan only can play implanted like how Tobi implanted Rinnegan into Nagato. - if Tobi really did then there is a high chance that Tobi is Izuna.

Why did Tobi call him self Madara? Madara is famous for his power, Sharingan. He lost his light after using too much Mangekyon Sharingan techniques. He gained new light from Izuna's eye. Maybe the time when he was famous or when he fought Shodaime he already awaken the Eternal Mangekyon Sharingan. Get it? So Tobi assume that it's his and that makes Madara without his eyes he won't be famous etc.

Tobi claims that the Rinnegan he implanted into Nagato is his in the first place.

This makes my theory even closer to reality.

Furthermore, Madara said he awaken the Rinnegan himself and Rinnegan is awaken after the EMS is awaken, that means it's Tobi's eye!!! or IZUNA.

BING GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Yondaime143]

*Please read all of it, i put effort on typing all this out.*

Alright here we go, Remember how the 3 clans were formed right?

The Sage of Six Paths had 2 children.

1. Inherited the Ocular power -> Rinnegan
2. Inherited the Sage's body -> Brute strength, maybe speed too but not mentioned

We know that the one that inherited the ocular power or his descendant was cursed and that I believe is the start of the Uchiha clan - the Sharingan.

The reason why we know the Sharingan is cursed is because the child of the SO6P that inherited the Rinnegan believe 'power is the key to achieve peace' whereas the other one said 'love is the key to achieve peace'

I believe (My theory) the child with the Rinnegan did massive extermination etc. and was cursed by either his brother or his own father. Seems reasonable right? But more likely his brother, why? read on..

So there are 2 branches. Senju + Uchiha

The Uzumaki is distantly related to the Senju.

Why was it that it is more likely his brother who cursed the Rinnegan son.
As we know that the Senju and Uchiha always fought and are each other's enemy, that's why - still that's not 100% true because they were paid to fight (mercenaries).

According to Madara the Sharingan can be evolve to become Rinnegan. Which is really reliable as why on earth would he lie, right?

So we know that the Senju will not inherit the Rinnegan only can play implanted like how Tobi implanted Rinnegan into Nagato. - if Tobi really did then there is a high chance that Tobi is Izuna.

Why did Tobi call him self Madara? Madara is famous for his power, Sharingan. He lost his light after using too much Mangekyon Sharingan techniques. He gained new light from Izuna's eye. Maybe the time when he was famous or when he fought Shodaime he already awaken the Eternal Mangekyon Sharingan. Get it? So Tobi assume that it's his and that makes Madara without his eyes he won't be famous etc.

Tobi claims that the Rinnegan he implanted into Nagato is his in the first place.

This makes my theory even closer to reality.

Furthermore, Madara said he awaken the Rinnegan himself and Rinnegan is awaken after the EMS is awaken, that means it's Tobi's eye!!! or IZUNA.

BING GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now am clear thanks alot Dude....+rep....and thx the info on

252 episode..<3

 

[Tsujan9484]

*Please read all of it, i put effort on typing all this out.*

Alright here we go, Remember how the 3 clans were formed right?

The Sage of Six Paths had 2 children.

1. Inherited the Ocular power -> Rinnegan
2. Inherited the Sage's body -> Brute strength, maybe speed too but not mentioned

We know that the one that inherited the ocular power or his descendant was cursed and that I believe is the start of the Uchiha clan - the Sharingan.

The reason why we know the Sharingan is cursed is because the child of the SO6P that inherited the Rinnegan believe 'power is the key to achieve peace' whereas the other one said 'love is the key to achieve peace'

I believe (My theory) the child with the Rinnegan did massive extermination etc. and was cursed by either his brother or his own father. Seems reasonable right? But more likely his brother, why? read on..

So there are 2 branches. Senju + Uchiha

The Uzumaki is distantly related to the Senju.

Why was it that it is more likely his brother who cursed the Rinnegan son.
As we know that the Senju and Uchiha always fought and are each other's enemy, that's why - still that's not 100% true because they were paid to fight (mercenaries).

According to Madara the Sharingan can be evolve to become Rinnegan. Which is really reliable as why on earth would he lie, right?

So we know that the Senju will not inherit the Rinnegan only can play implanted like how Tobi implanted Rinnegan into Nagato. - if Tobi really did then there is a high chance that Tobi is Izuna.

Why did Tobi call him self Madara? Madara is famous for his power, Sharingan. He lost his light after using too much Mangekyon Sharingan techniques. He gained new light from Izuna's eye. Maybe the time when he was famous or when he fought Shodaime he already awaken the Eternal Mangekyon Sharingan. Get it? So Tobi assume that it's his and that makes Madara without his eyes he won't be famous etc.

Tobi claims that the Rinnegan he implanted into Nagato is his in the first place.

This makes my theory even closer to reality.

Furthermore, Madara said he awaken the Rinnegan himself and Rinnegan is awaken after the EMS is awaken, that means it's Tobi's eye!!! or IZUNA.

BING GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hmmm could be....well here is my new theory about his identity.....

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[Narutooo]

*Please read all of it, i put effort on typing all this out.*

Alright here we go, Remember how the 3 clans were formed right?

The Sage of Six Paths had 2 children.

1. Inherited the Ocular power -> Rinnegan
2. Inherited the Sage's body -> Brute strength, maybe speed too but not mentioned

We know that the one that inherited the ocular power or his descendant was cursed and that I believe is the start of the Uchiha clan - the Sharingan.

The reason why we know the Sharingan is cursed is because the child of the SO6P that inherited the Rinnegan believe 'power is the key to achieve peace' whereas the other one said 'love is the key to achieve peace'

I believe (My theory) the child with the Rinnegan did massive extermination etc. and was cursed by either his brother or his own father. Seems reasonable right? But more likely his brother, why? read on..

So there are 2 branches. Senju + Uchiha

The Uzumaki is distantly related to the Senju.

Why was it that it is more likely his brother who cursed the Rinnegan son.
As we know that the Senju and Uchiha always fought and are each other's enemy, that's why - still that's not 100% true because they were paid to fight (mercenaries).

According to Madara the Sharingan can be evolve to become Rinnegan. Which is really reliable as why on earth would he lie, right?

So we know that the Senju will not inherit the Rinnegan only can play implanted like how Tobi implanted Rinnegan into Nagato. - if Tobi really did then there is a high chance that Tobi is Izuna.

Why did Tobi call him self Madara? Madara is famous for his power, Sharingan. He lost his light after using too much Mangekyon Sharingan techniques. He gained new light from Izuna's eye. Maybe the time when he was famous or when he fought Shodaime he already awaken the Eternal Mangekyon Sharingan. Get it? So Tobi assume that it's his and that makes Madara without his eyes he won't be famous etc.

Tobi claims that the Rinnegan he implanted into Nagato is his in the first place.

This makes my theory even closer to reality.

Furthermore, Madara said he awaken the Rinnegan himself and Rinnegan is awaken after the EMS is awaken, that means it's Tobi's eye!!! or IZUNA.

BING GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"clap clap clap" makes sense :noc: well done

 

[lswhyte123]

Not Bingo but good effort.

 

[muang]

Also Tobi has wrinkles that shows his age, you know what i mean right?

 

[warlee]

Why zetsu body and not izuna's body?

 

[muang]

Why zetsu body and not izuna's body?

Remember the fight between Minato? He was hit by a Rasengan and lost his arm. Back then his arm was still human's.

 

[muang]

Tobi's Izuna :shrug::flaw:

Just a theory that kinda makes sense. :scorps:

 

[The Riddlerr]

So why claim to be Madara when Izuna himself was said to be equally as strong?

 

[muang]

So why claim to be Madara when Izuna himself was said to be equally as strong?

Read everything i said man.
OK because Madara lost his light and since Izuna gave his eyes or was taken away. Madara was stronger as he awaken the EMS and therefore he was famous after that (When he fought Shodaime). Without Izuna's eye Madara is nothing but a blind person. I don't know how to explain, you will get it eventually.

 

[warlee]

Remember the fight between Minato? He was hit by a Rasengan and lost his arm. Back then his arm was still human's.

then why is he obsessed w/ sasuke fighting naruto only madara would want a thing like that and why does he claim to be a shell of his former self?

 

[muang]

Now am clear thanks alot Dude....+rep....and thx the info on

252 episode..<3

Flashbacks in 252 >,< at least they managed to finish the chapter in one episode.

 

[The Riddlerr]

I did and the only thing you said was that he gained EMS before his fight with Hashirama... but we already knew he had it before that fight... He actually gained it before Konoha was even formed.

 

[muang]

then why is he obsessed w/ sasuke fighting naruto only madara would want a thing like that.

We don't know what Madara is like, and whether he want things like that. It only matters to each individual doesn't have to be Madara to be obsess with Naruto Vs. Sasuke.

 

[muang]

I did and the only thing you said was that he gained EMS before his fight with Hashirama... but we already knew he had it before that fight... He actually gained it before Konoha was even formed.

Then if that is right , yes. That's why he call him self Madara because he is like Madara's light. He himself is like Madara. Don't you get it?

 

[The Riddlerr]

Doesn't answer why he would specifically call himself Madara, especially if he wasn't. Also doesn't explain why the Databooks say he is dead and Nagato tells us he couldn't revive Jiraiya whom had been dead for too long... which was only.a few weeks at best... However Izuna could suddenly be revived after decades? Not to mention, why would Izuna even need to act dead? Madara was ridiculed by the Uchiha Clan for stealing Izuna's eyes... But why not just tell them he gave up his eyes willingly for the Clan? And where would Izuna even hide and how would he act dead in front of the auchiha Clan? If he was alive then he would have had Chakra pumping through his body which their Sharingan would have seen.

There's more points I could bring up, but I guess you get the jist of it.

 

[muang]

Doesn't answer why he would specifically call himself Madara, especially if he wasn't. Also doesn't explain why the Databooks say he is dead and Nagato tells us he couldn't revive Jiraiya whom had been dead for too long... which was only.a few weeks at best... However Izuna could suddenly be revived after decades? Not to mention, why would Izuna even need to act dead? Madara was ridiculed by the Uchiha Clan for stealing Izuna's eyes... But why not just tell them he gave up his eyes willingly for the Clan? And where would Izuna even hide and how would he act dead in front of the auchiha Clan? If he was alive then he would have had Chakra pumping through his body which their Sharingan would have seen.

There's more points I could bring up, but I guess you get the jist of it.

Seriously i don't understand what you're trying to say. "and Nagato tells us he couldn't revive Jiraiya whom had been dead for too long... which was only.a few weeks at best." Well I didn't say that Jiraiya was dead too long and couldn't be resurrected. Also It's Ninja world not like OUR world things can jump, fly and who knows live longer. Could have been special technique, who knows. Haven't you seen his hideout like seriously? Izuna willingly gave the Sharingan Madara explained later in the manga after he was resurrected.

I seriously don't understand what point you are trying to make.

 

[Owarij]

Re: Who Tobi is.

*Please read all of it, i put effort on typing all this out.*

Alright here we go, Remember how the 3 clans were formed right?

The Sage of Six Paths had 2 children.

1. Inherited the Ocular power -> Rinnegan
2. Inherited the Sage's body -> Brute strength, maybe speed too but not mentioned

We know that the one that inherited the ocular power or his descendant was cursed and that I believe is the start of the Uchiha clan - the Sharingan.

The reason why we know the Sharingan is cursed is because the child of the SO6P that inherited the Rinnegan believe 'power is the key to achieve peace' whereas the other one said 'love is the key to achieve peace'

I believe (My theory) the child with the Rinnegan did massive extermination etc. and was cursed by either his brother or his own father. Seems reasonable right? But more likely his brother, why? read on..

So there are 2 branches. Senju + Uchiha

The Uzumaki is distantly related to the Senju.

Why was it that it is more likely his brother who cursed the Rinnegan son.
As we know that the Senju and Uchiha always fought and are each other's enemy, that's why - still that's not 100% true because they were paid to fight (mercenaries).

According to Madara the Sharingan can be evolve to become Rinnegan. Which is really reliable as why on earth would he lie, right?

So we know that the Senju will not inherit the Rinnegan only can play implanted like how Tobi implanted Rinnegan into Nagato. - if Tobi really did then there is a high chance that Tobi is Izuna.

Why did Tobi call him self Madara? Madara is famous for his power, Sharingan. He lost his light after using too much Mangekyon Sharingan techniques. He gained new light from Izuna's eye. Maybe the time when he was famous or when he fought Shodaime he already awaken the Eternal Mangekyon Sharingan. Get it? So Tobi assume that it's his and that makes Madara without his eyes he won't be famous etc.

Tobi claims that the Rinnegan he implanted into Nagato is his in the first place.

This makes my theory even closer to reality.

Furthermore, Madara said he awaken the Rinnegan himself and Rinnegan is awaken after the EMS is awaken, that means it's Tobi's eye!!! or IZUNA.

BING GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some of your points are a bit wrong imo , allow me to correct them

1. Inherited the Ocular power -> Rinnegan
2. Inherited the Sage's body -> Brute strength, maybe speed too but not mentioned

The sage's body does not mean brute strength...Senju were giving the sages physical energy and extraordinary chakra amounts

Why did Tobi call him self Madara?

Yes he called himself Madara because of his name.. but that is not all....at some points it seems Tobi TRULY thinks he is uchiha madara..
For eg he spoke to zetsu saying that Rinne tensei was suppossed to be used for HIM

But when Madara steps out of edo tensei, he believes he was revived by edo tensei.. which means it was for Madara...

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Another instance is his convo with Konan... Even moments before her death he keeps to his story of being Madara.... even though they were alone and Konan was 100% about to die in a few seconds...

coupled with itachi calling him a shell of what he used to be....
And how rinne tensei works. ( you take a soul from the outerworld or w.e and put it into a body....I believe that tobi is a container for madara... a body/shell if you will...

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Tobi claims that the Rinnegan he implanted into Nagato is his in the first place.

This makes my theory even closer to reality.

Furthermore, Madara said he awaken the Rinnegan himself and Rinnegan is awaken after the EMS is awaken, that means it's Tobi's eye!!! or IZUNA

What we know so far is Rinnegan comes after ems....
Madara was the one to unlock the rinnegan...
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Madara clearly knows about nagato and him having rinnegan.... If you add everything up..Madara gave nagato the rinnegan... and tobi is just doing what he always does and speaking AS Madara....

he's just speaking through madaras voice... as he did that whole convo with konan..

"I fought hashirama bla bla"
No he didn.t ... Madara did..

"I gave Nagato the rinnegan"
..no he didn't Madara did...

 

[muang]

Re: Who Tobi is.

Some of your points are a bit wrong imo , allow me to correct them


The sage's body does not mean brute strength...Senju were giving the sages physical energy and extraordinary chakra amounts


Yes he called himself Madara because of his name.. but that is not all....at some points it seems Tobi TRULY thinks he is uchiha madara..
For eg he spoke to zetsu saying that Rinne tensei was suppossed to be used for HIM

But when Madara steps out of edo tensei, he believes he was revived by edo tensei.. which means it was for Madara...

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Another instance is his convo with Konan... Even moments before her death he keeps to his story of being Madara.... even though they were alone and Konan was 100% about to die in a few seconds...

coupled with itachi calling him a shell of what he used to be....
And how rinne tensei works. ( you take a soul from the outerworld or w.e and put it into a body....I believe that tobi is a container for madara... a body/shell if you will...

Next point





What we know so far is Rinnegan comes after ems....
Madara was the one to unlock the rinnegan...
I Bring you back to this page

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Madara clearly knows about nagato and him having rinnegan.... If you add everything up..Madara gave nagato the rinnegan... and tobi is just doing what he always does and speaking AS Madara....

he's just speaking through madaras voice... as he did that whole convo with konan..

"I fought hashirama bla bla"
No he didn.t ... Madara did..

"I gave Nagato the rinnegan"
..no he didn't Madara did...

Good points, I forgot about the time he stepped out of the coffin.
I don't know how he knows the Rinnegan is with Nagato, but if it was him really who implanted it, that would be kinda wierd because Nagato wasn't even born yet even when after Madara dies.

But really good points you point out,

OK, this is possible too - Madara used Izanagi to create Tobi.

Do yo concur? Maybe that's his plan.

But i still think Izuna must be introduced for some reason, no characters in Naruto that has been introduced but never appear again.

The reason why Madara knows about Nagato even though it seems impossible because of time difference is still unresolved.

We know that Madara dies young as when he is Edo Tensei'ed he still look young where as Tobi he has wrinkles. <-- Kinda a hint.

"But when Madara steps out of edo tensei, he believes he was revived by edo tensei.. which means it was for Madara..." Don't get you