To whoever thinks that Base Sasuke's chakra=base Naruto's

[SuperChief]

If were talking about Base Sasuke and Base Naruto war arc, no bijuu modes, no sage chakra Sasuke has more.

No, he doesn't. Base Naruto's clone feats alone puts him far above Sasuke.

 

[Lord Tywin]

And it's proving yours? All you have is a bunch of self-made assumptions based on the single fact that Naruto can make Kage Bushins. If that is your sole argument, then what is stopping Sasuke from making them now, when he can make practically by the thousands when he has half of the sage's chakra? He doesn't use them. It's not his fighting style.

I have already posted a scan in this very thread. Straight from the horse's mouth: My reserves are TINY / LITTLE.

Still doesn't prove your comparison. You have yet to give me one substantial proof that Sasuke's base reserves are smaller. All you are giving me is that Naruto can make clones, so he stomps Sasuke's reserves. When the manga has said otherwise through three sources.

sasuke can't because he can't afford it. you have no proof of sasuke having equal chakra to naruto, instead of that scan of kakashi comparing naruto and sasuke to sakura

his tiny reserves were more than enough for him to spam in the war.

Mine has feats backing them, while your scan is kakashi comparing him to sakura.

 

[Troyg39]

That is a conjunction which is used to create a list. It's 5th grade English. Your logic is wrong, simple.

That is a monologue. It doesn't matter who he was comparing them to, the fact remains, you are grasping at straws. Kakashi's statement is clear cut and straightforward that both Naruto and Sasuke have very large reserves. Given that the guy has Sharingan and it can see chakra, I'll take his opinion gladly.

What'e relevant that you brought up the point that his reserves are twice as much. So twice as much chakra of a TINY reserve bank, equals mountains of it? That is why it is relevant.

Irrelevant. How does that prove that Sasuke's are small?

It is because of Kurama and the seal that naturally mixes Kurama's chakra with his own. Which why Yamato was even sitting there, to prevent more from spilling out. Again, irrelevant, as we are talking about the reserves without Kurama here.

A part 2 Naruto has twice as much chakra as a part 2 kakashi.
A part 2 Kakashi has tiny reserves.
A part 1 Kakashi claims (in your mind) that a part 1 Naruto and part 1 Sasuke have "large" reserves

Clearly neither part 1 Naruto nor part 1 Sasuke had more reserves than part 1 Kakashi at that time

So if part 2 kakashi only has a tiny amount of chakra reserves, that would mean part 1 Naruto and Sasuke should have a tiny amount as well if they don't even compare to a part 1 Kakashi.

So in your mind, Kakashi called his own reserves in part 2 small but said Sasuke's part 1 reserves were large simply because he had more than Sakura?

I'm just trying to follow you here.

The only thing clear cut and straightforward is that Kakashi was comparing them to Sakura, not to one another. His statement was not about the size of their reserves, but the size of their reserves compared to someone else.

Didn't you just say that it doesn't matter if Naruto has more chakra than Kakashi because Kakashi's reserves are small? So then why are you trying to hard to hold onto a Sakura comparison?

And now your desperation has lead you to point out that Kurama's chakra is naturally mixing with Naruto's. You might as well say there is no such thing as a base Naruto without Kurama then since it's been mixing with him almost his entire life. And if that's the case, what have you been talking about this entire then?

I'm merely responding to the crap you're putting out. It's obvious to most that Base Naruto has more chakra than Base Sasuke so I'm not here to debate on it. I'm just trying to understand the clutter of your arguments

 

[Howling Fox]

Base Naruto >>>>>> base sasky

 

[iNotorious]

The uzumaki traits though.

 

[lanakui8]

Sasuke kicked Gaara's ass in the Chunin Exam staduim.He used High Speed Taijutsu Multiple times,the Chidori,and he received damage - then he chased Gaara for like an hour while Gaara took a nap from the ass whooping he recieved,then when he woke up he went Bijuu and started acting like he's Boss.

Sasuke wasn't at 100 percent.

on the otherhand, naruto had used up pretty much all of his chakra against Neji and chased gaara around for just as long as Sasuke did, yet Naruto still defeated a stronger version of Gaara than Sasuke did in base. So, the point stands, chuunin exam naruto > chuunin exam sasuke. oh and BTW, that puts Naruto above Sasuke w/ 2 tomoe sharingan + cursed seal, let alone base Sasuke.

Naruto received the Kyuubi power in his fight against Gaara,and he got Gamabunta's help.On the Rooftop,Sasuke kicked multiple SC ass and annihilated many of them with a single Fire Style attack. The Rasengan and Chidori would have equal.Or at the very least Naruto's Rasengan was stronger than Sasuke's Chidori - the Techniques,not the users.

I'm not factoring in the times naruto used the kyuubi power against gaara, so bringing up that is irrelevant. Naruto didn't use any kyuubi power against gaara until gaara went full shukaku. Although this is also irrelevant, gamabunta is naruto's summon and therefore part of naruto's arsenal.

Sasuke did zero damage to Naruto, Naruto damaged Sasuke's arms with his naruto rendan. They would have then clashed their chidori and rasengan which would have resulted in a win for naruto as we saw Sasuke's chidori was inferior in power at that time. Even if both techniques were exact equals, Sasuke would have lost in the long run which is why at VoTe, he had to use the cursed seal in order to land a chidori on naruto rather than clash both chidoris with naruto's rasengans.

Base Sasuke completely beats base Naruto - Naruto can't keep up with Sasuke's High Speed Taijutsu.Shadow Clones easily got handled and Rasengan = Chidori.

Where in the world did this come from? You've given literally zero arguments to support such a conclusion, the arguments brought to the table have all been heavily in favor of base Naruto beating a 2 tomoe sharingan Sasuke. If you want to assert Naruto can't keep up with Sasuke's taijutsu, explain. How do naruto's shadow clones easily get handled?

Valley of the End base mode fighting would go to Sasuke.Sasuke didn't need the CM against Base Naruto,he used it cause he just got it and was testing it out.Sasuke was kicking Naruto's ass while using Sharingan and having the CM off while Naruto had the Kyuubi's power active (Initial stage = Kyuubi eyes).He only had to use the CM Stage 2 once Naruto went 1 Tails

This is basically a concession on your part as you've literally ignored my argument which shows that before Sasuke uses CM to stab naruto in the chest with chidori, naruto used none of the kyuubi's power, yet matched 2 tomoe Sasuke and would have eventually beaten Sasuke since he would have wasted both chidori's on clashes. 3 tomoe Sasuke fighting kyuubi naruto and later is completely irrelevant to the topic since we are comparing BASE Naruto and BASE Sasuke. So no, by the events that happened at VoTe, Base Naruto is clearly above Base Sasuke when he can match 2 tomoe Sasuke.

"Sasuke would get decimated by feats as he's no longer got his massive speed advantage that he had over naruto in part 2"

Are you still talking about base mode? In the begining of Part 2 Sasuke instantly got to Naruto in a blink of an eye.Naruto had no time to react.

That's against a beginning of part 2 naruto who's so weakened from his fight with oro earlier

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That has absolutely nothing to do with war arc base naruto when base naruto matches sasuke's speed w/ the help of a clone, when a weakened base naruto can taijutsu clash against someone on kakashi's level in that area, when base naruto can save sakura from sasuke's kunai stab midswing, when base naruto at the start of part 2 was

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[Dantee]

No, he doesn't. Base Naruto's clone feats alone puts him far above Sasuke.

The result of sharigan is because of Sasukes reserves alone meaning all MS techs including Susanoo is Sasukes reserves. Naruto relies on the Kyuubi chakra to much to be comparables to Sasukes on his own. Now that he has Hashis cells it's not even a contest.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

To whoever thinks that Base Sasuke's chakra=base Naruto's

One has to be incredibly stupid and deluded to believe that, oh wait... Lol

 

[shelke]

kakashi is saying sasuke's chakra is big compared to sakura. It would be really stupid of kishi if he had said something like "Naruto and Sasuke both have larger chakra reserves than sakura, but Naruto's chakra is bigger than sasuke's".

I never denied his reserves were large, but smaller than naruto's.

The point of hashirama was that uchihas are known for their potency, not quantity. That scan of yours was back when uchihas were only relevant, and we had no feats from hashirama.

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Uchiha were stated to be potent in chakra, just like how kurama called madara more sinister than himself

Why are you ignoring Naruto, when he's right there in his monologue? If he's comparing Sasuke, then he's not comparing Naruto? God, dude. Just stop. You are just twisting the scan because it proves you wrong. Kakashi is stating that both of them have large reserves. Case closed.

Based on what? Bring out at least some manga proof and I would gladly accept it that I am wrong. So far, you have nothing on you.

Irrelevant. Hashirama has nothing to do with this argument, nor does it have anything to do with Naruto. You are seeing what you want to see. Whether they were relevant or not is irrelevant. What kind of logic is that? I am posting the scans yet again:

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- It's Indra that inherited large reserves. Sasuke is Indra's reincarnation. He inherited Sage's chakra. Unless you believe that Sage's chakra is only potent and lacks volume. Then you have no argument.

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- Chapter 398, Page 18.

 

[SuperChief]

Base Naruto >>>>>> base sasky

The gap is nowhere near that big. Base Naruto and Sasuke are evenly matched. They're as close to equals as it gets in base forms.

 

[DarkStar1]

Base Naruto not only has more chakra, but is generally superior feat wise. They're pretty close in a 1v1, but it not arguable who has more chakra.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Base Naruto >>>>>> base sasky

When?What part of the story? Part 1? Fire style,Lightining style,High Speed Taijutsu.Begining of part 2 to the War - obvoius,Sasuke speed blitzed Naruto when they met up,and before then owned Naruto and Sai with that Chidori release attack.Naruto can't use FRS unless he's in SM and even if he could that still deosn't beat Sasuke - Fire Style Lightining style and Speed - Grand Fire Ball Jutsu + Kirin = Complete ownage.

 

[Troyg39]

When?What part of the story? Part 1? Fire style,Lightining style,High Speed Taijutsu.Begining of part 2 to the War - obvoius,Sasuke speed blitzed Naruto when they met up,and before then owned Naruto and Sai with that Chidori release attack.Naruto can't use FRS unless he's in SM and even if he could that still deosn't beat Sasuke - Fire Style Lightining style and Speed - Grand Fire Ball Jutsu + Kirin = Complete ownage.

You mean he can't use it without damaging his hand. He only uses SM to have a chakra case to wrap it in so he can use it as a projectile without damaging his hand. He learned and used FRS before he knew what Sage Mode was

Not that I disagree with you don't get mad. In general terms of base Naruto and base Sasuke I think Sasuke's better too for obvious reasons. I just thought you might have forgotten the kakuzu fight thats all

 

[LuckyMan]

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Because Kurama said Indras chakra was more sinister and powerful than his own does that mean Sasuke and Madara has more chakra than it? Absolutely not. Power refers to the quality of the chakra not the quantity! So stop with the Uchiha got powerful chakra hurrrr durrrrr crap.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Why are you ignoring Naruto, when he's right there in his monologue? If he's comparing Sasuke, then he's not comparing Naruto? God, dude. Just stop. You are just twisting the scan because it proves you wrong. Kakashi is stating that both of them have large reserves. Case closed.

Based on what? Bring out at least some manga proof and I would gladly accept it that I am wrong. So far, you have nothing on you.

Irrelevant. Hashirama has nothing to do with this argument, nor does it have anything to do with Naruto. You are seeing what you want to see. Whether they were relevant or not is irrelevant. What kind of logic is that? I am posting the scans yet again:

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- It's Indra that inherited large reserves. Sasuke is Indra's reincarnation. He inherited Sage's chakra. Unless you believe that Sage's chakra is only potent and lacks volume. Then you have no argument.

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- Chapter 398, Page 18.

Lol he's there, but the subject of the sentence is sakura, and naruto and sasuke are being compared to her, not each other. both have large resereves, but by no means it says they have equal amounts. It's not that hard.

feats speak for themselves. you have to have large reserves to divide your chakra that many times

where does it say in that scan that indra inherited his volume of chakra. Reincarnations are cut in half One has quality, while other has quantity.

I'm not the one that sees what I want to see. You're the one that lacks understanding of what kakashi was trying to say

 

[take it easy]

Base Sasuke Beats Base Naruto at every piont in the story.Fire Style,Lightining Style,High Speed Taijutsu.Base Naruto deosn't beat that.
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their base speed after pain arc equals

their base taijutsu stat equals too (and sasuke turning his taijutsu skills into kenjutsu)

his normal katon was useless against base naruto

 

[shelke]

A part 2 Naruto has twice as much chakra as a part 2 kakashi.
A part 2 Kakashi has tiny reserves.
A part 1 Kakashi claims (in your mind) that a part 1 Naruto and part 1 Sasuke have "large" reserves

Clearly neither part 1 Naruto nor part 1 Sasuke had more reserves than part 1 Kakashi at that time

So if part 2 kakashi only has a tiny amount of chakra reserves, that would mean part 1 Naruto and Sasuke should have a tiny amount as well if they don't even compare to a part 1 Kakashi.

So in your mind, Kakashi called his own reserves in part 2 small but said Sasuke's part 1 reserves were large simply because he had more than Sakura?

I'm just trying to follow you here.

The only thing clear cut and straightforward is that Kakashi was comparing them to Sakura, not to one another. His statement was not about the size of their reserves, but the size of their reserves compared to someone else.

Didn't you just say that it doesn't matter if Naruto has more chakra than Kakashi because Kakashi's reserves are small? So then why are you trying to hard to hold onto a Sakura comparison?

And now your desperation has lead you to point out that Kurama's chakra is naturally mixing with Naruto's. You might as well say there is no such thing as a base Naruto without Kurama then since it's been mixing with him almost his entire life. And if that's the case, what have you been talking about this entire then?

I'm merely responding to the crap you're putting out. It's obvious to most that Base Naruto has more chakra than Base Sasuke so I'm not here to debate on it. I'm just trying to understand the clutter of your arguments

That proves what?

Irrelevant. What the heck are you even talking about?

Look into conjunctions. I implore you. I cannot even follow your posts anymore. No one stated that Kakashi was comparing them to himself in part one. Seriously, what the heck are you going on about? The scan is clear cut.

Why are you ignoring it? Is it not a part of the storyline or an exhibition of their reserves? Where does that prove that Sasuke has poor reserves or smaller reserves compared to Naruto? All you have is that Kakashi stated that Naruto's reserves are larger than his own little reserves. Did he introduce Sasuke into the statement? Or did you simply decide to create a magical comparison when there isn't any? I mean seriously, where is the Sasuke comparison you are creating through this conversation between Kakashi and Naruto? All I see is a poor assumption based on nothing.

The seal was designed that way to allow the chakra to naturally mix with his own:

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I suppose your desperation has led you to ignore vital manga evidence that Kurama adds a lot to his reserves. We all know what base reserves imply. Whatever Naruto gets from Kurama doesn't amount to base reserve. Love the desperation. Since you have run out of anything to say, you are resorting to subpar word play.

I merely trying to decipher the pile of nonsense that you are passing off as fact without anything to support it. I have yet to see anything from you in regards to base reserves and the supposed comparison you yourself have created. Your logic is unsupported by manga, and that's all there is to it. Don't perch yourself too high, given your empty arguments.

Bring a scan next time.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

You mean he can't use it without damaging his hand. He only uses SM to have a chakra case to wrap it in so he can use it as a projectile without damaging his hand. He learned and used FRS before he knew what Sage Mode was

Not that I disagree with you don't get mad. In general terms of base Naruto and base Sasuke I think Sasuke's better too for obvious reasons. I just thought you might have forgotten the kakuzu fight thats all

I know he can do RS in Base mode but i said FRS.FRS means Flying RasenShuriken.He can't throw it unless he's in SM (atleast in the Pain Arc,he may be able to do it now).

 

[take it easy]

Reincarnations are cut in half One has quality, while other has quantity.

naruto has big pool of quality chakra too .

 

[shelke]

Lol he's there, but the subject of the sentence is sakura, and naruto and sasuke are being compared to her, not each other. both have large resereves, but by no means it says they have equal amounts. It's not that hard.

feats speak for themselves. you have to have large reserves to divide your chakra that many times

where does it say in that scan that indra inherited his volume of chakra. Reincarnations are cut in half One has quality, while other has quantity.

I'm not the one that sees what I want to see. You're the one that lacks understanding of what kakashi was trying to say

Does it prove that they don't or Naruto's reserves are much larger? Thought so.

Sasuke has never made a Kage Bushin. Your argument is still as invalid as it can get. You have zero evidence to prove to me that Sasuke has smaller reserves. Until you don't, your arguments are not valid.

So Indra inherited the term and not the reserve itself? Lol This doesn't even make any sense. He inherited his chakra. Case closed. You can try and play at this all you want. Doesn't matter to me.

What was he trying to say? Please, open my eyes.