To Those Who Love/Hate The Recent Naruto Arc....

[Umari Senju]

After reading this week's chapter I have bittersweet feelings about the future of the plot development and where Kishi will be taking the story once they return from hiatus. While I was surfing through some of the love/hate comments on the forum I ran into this very well written comment from NB member Shelke from a few days back.

This manga has been going downhill since when? Yes, since Nagato gave into those petty, empty words that no one would take to heart. A shounen manga doesn't mean good-writing should be thrown out of the window. Every genre has constraints. You cannot have childish humour in dark-comedies, Horror cannot have fluffy romance, Epics cannot have antagonists as leads, so on and so forth.

But does that mean Paradise Lost didn't show a hero fall from grace? Did Poe's short-stories cast aside the genre sensibilities? Was Dickens unaware of the revolutionary nature of his writings despite the thematic happy endings in his stories? Was Wuthering Heights stale just because it centered on Revenge and Romance? I can go on and on and on here. The analogies are never-ending. Kishimoto should hit 5th grade and take up creative writing again, as consistency, suspense, working around things despite the limits of the genre are literally lost on him.

I am utterly disgusted at this guy's defense force. A lot of us like consistency and good writing. If those aren't your cup of tea, then you have little right to criticize those who are not happy with the complete lack of effort behind the story. It's stretched just for the sake of stretching. It's a non-debatable issue. Let others express their concerns, as they are, despite your grievances and childish rebuttals, quite genuine.

@ OP I completely agree. Every chapter is worse than the last. It hit rock bottom way back. I don't even know where this thing stands now. It's a shame. It had potential but the author himself drove it mercilessly into the ground. Nothing original remains such as the ingenuity behind Sasori's character, political conspiracies - completely lost behind piles of garbage - quirks of all Akatsuki members, the intricate symbolism behind Sharingan's doujutsus. The bloody tears alone said a million words. I can say so much more, but there isn't anything that would express my disappointment at how far the quality has fallen.

I agree with him for the most part. Now before you start defending Kishi's storytelling abilities let me just say that it is my opinion. I have been reading Naruto Manga and watching the anime since it 1st began. I am not going to stop reading it just because I do not agree with how Kishi has developed the story thus far. I know we get if for free and I am greatful for the time the Mods put into it to deliver this to us. But I also like what I like and dislike what I dislike. I am entitled to that.

I am still reading it because I believe in Kishimoto. I still believe that even though the plot is not what I had hoped that the end will justify the means here.

Sorry for the wall of text but I would like to hear your guy's view on what you hope or what you think of the story so far. Let's all reflect for a moment and share.

:bye:

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

After reading this week's chapter I have bittersweet feelings about the future of the plot development and where Kishi will be taking the story once they return from hiatus. While I was surfing through some of the love/hate comments on the forum I ran into this very well written comment from NB member Shelke from a few days back.





I agree with him for the most part. Now before you start defending Kishi's storytelling abilities let me just say that it is my opinion. I have been reading Naruto Manga and watching the anime since it 1st began. I am not going to stop reading it just because I do not agree with how Kishi has developed the story thus far. I know we get if for free and I am greatful for the time the Mods put into it to deliver this to us. But I also like what I like and dislike what I dislike. I am entitled to that.

I am still reading it because I believe in Kishimoto. I still believe that even though the plot is not what I had hoped that the end will justify the means here.

Sorry for the wall of text but I would like to hear your guy's view on what you hope or what you think of the story so far. Let's all reflect for a moment and share.

:bye:

I totally agree..

 

[take it easy]

another member which not understand tnj actions.

 

[-S-]

My opinion on the story?

I think it's frustrating. I think it's that way because there are so many ways Kishimoto could have turned around the manga throughout the war, and made it amazing.

I'm not talking about Tobi's identity, because personally, I liked Obito as a villain. What I'm talking about is the nonsensical panels, plots and milking-out that he did. He went out of his way to give K11 panel time against the Juubi, which was absolutely not necessary. They could have had their time when they fought the Zetsus.

>For me, the war was meant to be apocalyptic. Many people complained about the Juubi'd designs, but I thought they were perfect, and looked demonic. But to be honest, the Juubi didn't live up to the power hype. I didn't feel the the Juubi was on the precipice of ending the world. There's one page where he summons storms and tornadoes, and I feel we needed more of that.
>On top of that, Kishimoto even had to revive honorable Kages and ruin their deaths just to make his war more interesting.
>Tsunade also could have sacrificed her life to save the Kages, but Kishimoto chose not to.
> I also feel that Kakashi and Obito didn't have enough time fighting, and their fight was very simple. I don't agree that Naruto should have been the one to fight him, but I guess he is the main character, so whatever.
> Sasuke having a change of plans also ruined potential for a good plot, with him and Madara having some sort future connection as some hoped.

If I had to rate the war over ten, I would give it a six and a half. I always sometimes wish that I could've written the war arc instead, and because of that, I feel Kishimoto failed to impress me.

 

[Aya San]

Manga is bad but Kishi shouldn't feel bad, maybe a little

 

[The Sach]

Actually before few days I was watching sawyer7mage's (or whatever his name is) review about a chapter(probably about 554) where he said that people are pretty much started to expect more from Naruto because of AOT, and I completely agree with this view of his..Naruto was bad last few weeks I agree with it, but today's chapter was good, still when I was posting in the review thread I saw very few guys saying that it was good..People are expecting more and more actions but are forgetting that Naruto is about good dialogues too..:yeah:
And talking about war I must say Kishi failed there..

 

[Umari Senju]

My opinion on the story?

I think it's frustrating. I think it's that way because there are so many ways Kishimoto could have turned around the manga throughout the war, and made it amazing.

I'm not talking about Tobi's identity, because personally, I liked Obito as a villain. What I'm talking about is the nonsensical panels, plots and milking-out that he did. He went out of his way to give K11 panel time against the Juubi, which was absolutely not necessary. They could have had their time when they fought the Zetsus.

>For me, the war was meant to be apocalyptic. Many people complained about the Juubi'd designs, but I thought they were perfect, and looked demonic. But to be honest, the Juubi didn't live up to the power hype. I didn't feel the the Juubi was on the precipice of ending the world. There's one page where he summons storms and tornadoes, and I feel we needed more of that.
>On top of that, Kishimoto even had to revive honorable Kages and ruin their deaths just to make his war more interesting.
>Tsunade also could have sacrificed her life to save the Kages, but Kishimoto chose not to.
> I also feel that Kakashi and Obito didn't have enough time fighting, and their fight was very simple. I don't agree that Naruto should have been the one to fight him, but I guess he is the main character, so whatever.
> Sasuke having a change of plans also ruined potential for a good plot, with him and Madara having some sort future connection as some hoped.

If I had to rate the war over ten, I would give it a six and a half. I always sometimes wish that I could've written the war arc instead, and because of that, I feel Kishimoto failed to impress me.

I see your point. I too was not happy when the Hokages were revived. In all honestly I wanted the current 5 Kage to defeat Madara. to me that would have made it more epic. Maybe Kishi has more grand designs in mind for him. I can't say. I couldn't right anything better, but yeah it feels maybe Kishi is running low on creative steam. Hopefully this hiatus will give him the time he needs to recharge and address some of these issues I share with you.

Actually before few days I was watching sawyer7mage's (or whatever his name is) review about a chapter(probably about 554) where he said that people are pretty much started to expect more from Naruto because of AOT, and I completely agree with this view of his..Naruto was bad last few weeks I agree with it, but today's chapter was good, still when I was posting in the review thread I saw very few guys saying that it was good..People are expecting more and more actions but are forgetting that Naruto is about good dialogues too..:yeah:
And talking about war I must say Kishi failed there..

I agree with you. I actually didn't find this chapter to be so bad. I felt some decent progression happend here. But you have a point. Thanks to Manga's like AOT our expectations may be a little higher than they should. I mean it is Naruto we are talking about which is more PG-13 and not R like AOT. Hense my bittersweet review of this chapter.

On a plus note. From the looks of the last few pages....It looks like Infinate Tsukuyomi is finally activating. Just my guess though.

 

[paratise]

I agree with Shelke...

The point (atleast for me) is not hating on manga, people just have different point of views at the matter. "Don't like, don"t read" is a bs to me, this is forum for sharing differing opinions and everyone have right to express them.

But to be fair, it could have indeed been great and unique, but all these one-dimentional preachings of one-sided idealogies made it stale and forcing. There are no greys anymore, just downright "believe it dattebayo!" almost without questioning and that's irksome.

Also fanservice...This manga ruins its own themes for the sake of that.
A pairing momnet after Neji died? Dead people getting revieved and fighting instead of new generation? Child of prophecy?

 

[-S-]

people are pretty much started to expect more from Naruto because of AOT

Okay, that's just stupid.

I'm a massive fan of AoT, but I really don't think that's why most people lost interest in Naruto at all.

Things don't revolve around AoT, and I'm sure you and everyone is aware of that. There are far too many good anime series that have come out this year, and AoT managed to get into the mainstream because of its anime. If you believe that AoT is responsible for people's loss in interest in Naruto, then you're making yourself sound like the biggest noob to the world of anime, which I'm sure you are not. You don't have to be a genius to work out that Kishimoto's standard has fallen generally.

 

[Umari Senju]

I agree with Shelke...

The point (atleast for me) is not hating on manga, people just have different point of views at the matter. "Don't like, don"t read" is a bs to me, this is forum for sharing differing opinions and everyone have right to express them.

But to be fair, it could have indeed been great and unique, but all these one-dimentional preachings of one-sided idealogies made it stale and forcing. There are no greys anymore, just downright "believe it dattebayo!" almost without questioning and that's irksome.

Also fanservice...This manga ruins its own themes for the sake of that.
A pairing momnet after Neji died? Dead people getting revieved and fighting instead of new generation? Child of prophecy?

True. It isn't about hating the manga. If we didn't like it we wouldn't be so upset at how the story has digressed. XD

Okay, that's just stupid.

I'm a massive fan of AoT, but I really don't think that's why most people lost interest in Naruto at all.

Things don't revolve around AoT, and I'm sure you and everyone is aware of that. There are far too many good anime series that have come out this year, and AoT managed to get into the mainstream because of its anime. If you believe that AoT is responsible for people's loss in interest in Naruto, then you're making yourself sound like the biggest noob to the world of anime, which I'm sure you are not. You don't have to be a genius to work out that Kishimoto's standard has fallen generally.

Please let's not start with the name calling and bashing. I am just looking for people's constructive opinions not negative bashing and name calling. It's okay that you disagree with him. But please keep it civil.

OT: It's not so much that we are blaming AOT, but more of a comparison. AOT is well written. After reading AOT we go to read Naruto and we get irked because we don't get that same level of writting which, sure Naruto never really had, but has gotten worse. It isn't AOT's fault. As you said there are many other well written mangas but that makes it even worse. After reading all those well written manga we come to see what happens in the Narutoverse and get this fiasco.

 

[rollin]

In my opinion what shelke said is one of the stupidest posts I ever read
I've read and read a lot of manga and naruto is my favorite manga

 

[Umari Senju]

In my opinion what shelke said is one of the stupidest posts I ever read
I've read and read a lot of manga and naruto is my favorite manga

It's not stupid, it is his opinon just as Naruto being your favorite manga is yours. Naruto is not my favorite manga. I've always thought it was mundanely written since I first started it. But that was fine by me. Calling his opinon stupid is rude. Many would call you stupid because Naruto is your favorite manga. let's not start with the bashing and name calling here.

I'm just trying to hear everyone's views. Keep your negative opinions out of this discussion please.

Thank you.

 

[Osmon]

I totally agree..

I Second This :bye:=D

 

[slaton02]

IMO the Manga was fine up untill this war arc. I expected alot from it and got little to nothing. The TnJ that happen to Nagato was good to me, Nagato was like Naruto but went in a different path. Nagato believed in Naruto and trusted him with the future. Now it seem to be happening with Obito and it's dumb as hell. Obito's story is foolish to begin with but now the TnJ is recycling again and it's too much it's the same old story.

another reason this war has be s**t is the secondary characters getting no screen time or delevopment like they did in Part 1. This war had ton of enemies with stories I wanted to see more of and hope to fight some of the K11 member but Kishi did not act on it. Fights were skipped, Naruto got all the screen time and all the fights. The only K11 member that got pushed was ino-shika-cho. As a Lee fan I'm pissed, If I was a Neji fan I would've stopped reading the manga. There was so much I wanted and got nothing but Tnj and plot holes.

I would like to see more about Pakura(a fight with Neji would be cool), Akatsuki members before they joined, K11, the edo Kimimaro vs clone Naruto(it seem as if Kimimaro won) 3rd Raikage(invented black lightning but was never seen doing it) Gari(Lee owned him but he wasn't sealed),ect. Lee has only went gate 1 time in shippuden and it was for 1 second literally, unacceptable.

Naruto was my favorite manga/anime but this war has changed this.

 

[-S-]

Please let's not start with the name calling and bashing. I am just looking for people's constructive opinions not negative bashing and name calling. It's okay that you disagree with him. But please keep it civil.

Lmao what? What name-calling and bashing?

The only person to blame is yourself for reading my post in that tone. My post was perfectly calm, and if you take time and read it carefully, you'll understand better.

 

[Umari Senju]

Lmao what? What name-calling and bashing?

The only person to blame is yourself for reading my post in that tone. My post was perfectly calm, and if you take time and read it carefully, you'll understand better.

I re-read and you are right it is not as insulting as it was when I first read it. I apologize and I digress. It wasn't as bad a some of the other posts I've seen. I called someone else out on this too and just wanted to be consistant with it. Please don't be cross with me I meant no disrespect.

and as for the rest of your comment. I see your point, and it's a valid one. we can't blame other manga stories for how lame this recent arc has turned out lol.

 

[-Sky-]

Naruto has had its moments of greatness and brilliance, but its also had bad moments also. My opinion on it is that it went on for too long.

I don't get the current hate towards Naruto's speech to Obito, besides the fact that it's gotten dragged out too much. Kishi portrayed the war that goes on between people every day. I'm referring to Obito taking the easy way out vs Naruto walking the hard path.

Quite honestly, its hard for me to understand the feelings on the whole thing. I read the chapters and I'm happy.. What more can I ask? I enjoy Naruto, but then I log onto here and everyone seems to really dislike its direction.. I admit something's could have been done better, but giving up hope in a series because something didn't go the way one wanted it to is kind of sketchy.

We all have the right to be passionate about what we care about, but a lot of the problems I hear and read from people are.. Nonsensical I suppose. The Naruto world isn't today's world. Not even close. In our world we're all weak, and therefore have to make the most of every second we have. In a firefight you don't have time to talk, but in the Naruto world you can go to some random dimension and talk things out.

The problem I have with Naruto is that the sense of danger really isn't there. I could elaborate, but that's just how I feel on the matter.

 

[Umari Senju]

Naruto has had its moments of greatness and brilliance, but its also had bad moments also. My opinion on it is that it went on for too long.

I don't get the current hate towards Naruto's speech to Obito, besides the fact that it's gotten dragged out too much. Kishi portrayed the war that goes on between people every day. I'm referring to Obito taking the easy way out vs Naruto walking the hard path.

Quite honestly, its hard for me to understand the feelings on the whole thing. I read the chapters and I'm happy.. What more can I ask? I enjoy Naruto, but then I log onto here and everyone seems to really dislike its direction.. I admit something's could have been done better, but giving up hope in a series because something didn't go the way one wanted it to is kind of sketchy.

We all have the right to be passionate about what we care about, but a lot of the problems I hear and read from people are.. Nonsensical I suppose. The Naruto world isn't today's world. Not even close. In our world we're all weak, and therefore have to make the most of every second we have. In a firefight you don't have time to talk, but in the Naruto world you can go to some random dimension and talk things out.

The problem I have with Naruto is that the sense of danger really isn't there. I could elaborate, but that's just how I feel on the matter.

You have a point. That is part of it. I also don't have a problem with with Naruto's TNJ other than there was too much of it this time through. He does it to every enemy he faces. So that's no big deal for me. I expect him to do it to Madara as well. The problem I have is the villian's reaction. Naruto's speeches aren't really profound and they get swayed so easily though it took awhile with Obito.

The other concern is that this is more of a Naruto save all the shinobi rather than a war. As someone else mentioned, this was a golden opportunity to showcase how much every other support character (K11, Darui, Kakshi, etc) has grown and developed. This is something that should have happened when the war 1st began up until Obito became the Juubi Jinchuriki.

95% of this "war" was all Naruto saving the SA and 2% Kage assisting. 3% went to the rest of everyone. I get Naruto is the hero but really he should have had 50% Panel time and the other 50% should have went to everyone else with him and Sasuke rounding up the climax of this war.

 

[Noni]

It seems as if you no understand the BS in PnJ.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

IMO the Manga was fine up untill this war arc. I expected alot from it and got little to nothing. The TnJ that happen to Nagato was good to me, Nagato was like Naruto but went in a different path. Nagato believed in Naruto and trusted him with the future. Now it seem to be happening with Obito and it's dumb as hell. Obito's story is foolish to begin with but now the TnJ is recycling again and it's too much it's the same old story.

another reason this war has be s**t is the secondary characters getting no screen time or delevopment like they did in Part 1. This war had ton of enemies with stories I wanted to see more of and hope to fight some of the K11 member but Kishi did not act on it. Fights were skipped, Naruto got all the screen time and all the fights. The only K11 member that got pushed was ino-shika-cho. As a Lee fan I'm pissed, If I was a Neji fan I would've stopped reading the manga. There was so much I wanted and got nothing but Tnj and plot holes.

I would like to see more about Pakura(a fight with Neji would be cool), Akatsuki members before they joined, K11, the edo Kimimaro vs clone Naruto(it seem as if Kimimaro won) 3rd Raikage(invented black lightning but was never seen doing it) Gari(Lee owned him but he wasn't sealed),ect. Lee has only went gate 1 time in shippuden and it was for 1 second literally, unacceptable.

Naruto was my favorite manga/anime but this war has changed this.

I'm a Neji fan boy, yet here I am still reading.