[Theory] To all those naive children who think permanent peace has been achieved [Must Read]

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It's called a manga for a reason. Kishimoto is trying to push forth an idea of peace where violence is not required. An ideal peace. What's the point if the manga is going to reflect real world views? Though it cannot be achieved, Kishimoto is playing his part of promoting the message and pushing us closer to this kind of peace.
 

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bijus are free now ! nations are united . akatsuki is gone , orochimaru , kabuto , turned into a good boys .
Peace is achieved .
Is too simple to see the NV like this
It has been achieved.
Its just a Shounen manga, its not real.
If Kishi says permanent peace has been achieved then it has been achieved.
Also, if Kishi wants to continue the manga, a new war will started.
yes exactly this is just temporary peace as Pain explained. This was the point of my thread, after like 100 or more years they would be back to wars and stuff
History always repeats, nobody ever learned anything from the mistakes of history - that is a quote from a huge brain, is not my idea :p So why should be NV different than real world?
Analysing Kishi's work i saw many educational stuff and this could be one of them - he shows us the ideal of gaining peace and of maintining it without a how-to-bring-it-forever.
Peace: What is this?

Time: How much do we need to find peace?

Permanence: What is this state and how does it remain, can it remain?

Circumstances: What are the necessary circumstances for peace?

There are two obvious problems with discussing this manga and its own internal discovery of peace.

1. Q:We know that to have a manga of this type is to have action, and to have action means conflict, so we observe the manga as an object with certain characteristics and not as a world which can alter its own characteristics-a genre.

A."Peace" will be achieved when the story can no longer operate in the genre it currently inhabits.

2. Q:What are the terms of engagement between our real world experiences and the manga world experience and in what order do we take them?

A:The key to engagement with this genre and this story is that the manga world experience functions as a plea from the author, not as a real world manual for conducting complex policy.

These questions lead us to a very important question: What is the purpose of this text? Or perhaps, is there an INTENDED purpose for this text?

Intended Purpose: This has a lot of answers, so lets get to work, First the text is a call for peace and breaking the cycles of violence but how entrenched those cycles are prevent a position of permanent understanding and total peace. Second the text is a response to a genre and attempts to place itself within a specific canon. Third the text is a means of economic success and will promote the economic well being of the author and certain people with his cadre of artisans/artists.

How do these three things effect the meaning of this text?

And how can we OBSERVE peace in Naruto?

Naruto as an epic on the difficulty of FINDING peace: At the end of Naruto there are two important resolutions of plot points.

1. "How can I become Hokage if I can't even save one Friend?" Naruto successfully saves his friend, clearing the greatest hurdle to become Hokage.

2. "I want to surpass the Hokage and make everyone in the village recognize me." This part had already been achieved by defeating Pain, and was further cemented by his part in the last war.

What is unanswered at this point?

1. What happened to the nation of Amakagure and others similar to it?
2. Are children still being trained to be soldiers?

Now, lets head back to the beginning...

Peace:What is this?

The manga seems to propose peace as; A world without unending organized conflict and violence.

Time: How much of this do we need to find peace?

The manga proposes a massive amount of time is necessary to LOCATE the conditions to arrange PEACE.

The manga has now clearly become a history of large scale violence in Japan and the transition from clans to states, from feudalism to democracy.

Which leaves an unanswered question which needs to be resolved: Is the transition to democracy, capitalism, and economic entanglement creating peace on a larger scale, or even a universal scale in the manga?

Remember that Naruto is a resolution of a conflict which rippled through time for centuries.

I would assume that the new era for peace and its growth is going to be a very long era as well, and its evolution will result over the course of many generations.

What we see now in chap.700 is a temporary peace which has gained a foot hold so that MORE conditions of PEACE can be LOCATED and SECURED.

How is peace secured and how does it become permanent?

Permanence: What is this state and how does it remain, can it remain?

Permanence would promote an idea of eternal, unending peace that is enforced from a singular source, state or ideology.

However if we follow the lessons of Itachi, one does not become Hokage by doing everything themselves, they become Hokage by building relationships. Hence, tyranny is an unaccepable quality in a Hokage or person whom brings peace.

How does this effect peace?

Circumstances: What are the necessary circumstances for peace?

Peace in Naruto will become a state of mutual agreement, a social contract, not one that is enforced through force, or a militarized structure. In the end a police state is still a state of violence, PEACE must be DISCOVERED through MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENT. Otherwise I.T. would have been an acceptable response to history and its cycles of violence.

So permanence is creating a condition of mutual agreement between disparate communities that construct a social contract that is beyond the succumbing to the stresses of economics, material scarcity and conflict that could erupt over them. The social contract must be stronger then the bonds of STATE, MARKET, RELIGION, AND FAMILY.

A goal of mutual prosperity no matter where the other person resides.

The foundation of peace in Naruto is the elimination of the OTHER, the salve to xenophobia being understanding that mostly everyone wants the same thing; prosperity, happiness.

Ninshuu has helped dissolve the OTHER that was born from the creation of nations, which was a mutation of the OTHER born from the clan system. Ninshuu has allowed everyone to witness the similarity between each other which has allowed acceptance of their difference as a strength and not a threat.

However, the nations have organized around an external OTHER and that has also helped locate their current peace, so a type of xenophobia still remains, lurking. A desire for violence against external threats.

So being that a certain group of people were able to achieve peace in the ninja world, we are still unsure if peace as a sustained effort is yet to be had.

The circumstances for peace that Pain spoke of are in place, however, Pain failed to see an avenue beyond his initial plan which shows a level of exceptional cynicism on his part, which is why he chose to believe in Naruto, a person who was not cynical, who believed in breaking cycles, not creating them.

Naruto's task and really Sasuke's and Bolt and Salada and everyone in Konohoa and elsewhere is to not become lazy during this peace and still urgently search for the conditions of a longer peace.

A peace where there is not sustained, organized, violence conflict over any material or ideology.

A peace that has not been created yet, but is certainly not out of the realms of possibility.

The next generations must find a way to:

1. Secure materials for all people, so that strife will not occur from scarcity or hunger
2. Secure agreement amongst all people so that nationalism and ideology will not deter or disrupt peace
3. Secure a new identity for children
4. Secure the security of small nations and do not have them function as a proxy for larger nation conflicts
5. Displace the need for a scapegoat or threatening OTHER from the social system and contract

Telling the difference between Ten Ten's momentary complacency as an experience of peacefulness, and the longer term circumstances of a lasting Peace is going to be the crucial and difficult task for Naruto's generation, and Bolts as well.

They must see past the illusion of their own peacefulness and keep striving for peace.

They must help determine conditions to locate peace, otherwise, the ending of the feud of brothers will be for nothing, just momentary pleasure in the guise of peace.
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Currently peace is achieved, but it won't be for long a story needs a conflict, therefore that conflict will end that peace and hopefully by the end of the 3rd part Peace is eternally achieved
 

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You should use YOUR brain OP. The Narutoverse is NOT real! The universe ended with chapter 700, so eternal peace was achieved! Also peace doesn't necessarily mean a world with no conflict, it just means no all out wars. There's all sorts of clues in chapter 700 showing the ninja villages are now more closely tied.
 
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You should use YOUR brain OP. The Narutoverse is NOT real! The universe ended with chapter 700, so eternal peace was achieved! Also peace doesn't necessarily mean a world with no conflict, it just means no all out wars. There's all sorts of clues in chapter 700 showing the ninja villages are now more closely tied.

Mr. Draxus the point is not about comparing narutoverse to real world. The point is that kishimoto himself rejected(or maybe he did not and this would be confirmed in a possible part 3) his antihero/antivillain(whatever you name it) Nagatos ideals of achieving peace through naruto and then proclaimed peace on the same ideals. But according to this way of achieving peace, It would be temporary. You fail to understand that chapter 700 shows this generation of shinobi, while my post says after the next generation or after that which is totally possible as the bond which is made by this generation of shinobi would not live on in the next and next and next generations.

Please use your brains, okay?
 

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bijus are free now ! nations are united . akatsuki is gone , orochimaru , kabuto , turned into a good boys .


Peace is achieved .

Except for the other half of black zetsu still running around, Toneri about to use Unicorn Sage mode to crush the moon, and Orochimaru still existing, yes.

Oh, and the giant monsters that kill people. And the people like Motoi who lost family members to the aforementioned giant monsters who kill people. And the people like Motoi who will try and take revenge on the giant monsters who kill people. And the people who lose family members in the subsequent bijuu rampage. Who will then try and get revenge on the giant monsters, resulting in either permanent pointless war, or more jinchurikis, and another powerhungry maniac trying to steal all the bijuu.
 

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Mr. Draxus the point is not about comparing narutoverse to real world. The point is that kishimoto himself rejected(or maybe he did not and this would be confirmed in a possible part 3) his antihero/antivillain(whatever you name it) Nagatos ideals of achieving peace through naruto and then proclaimed peace on the same ideals. But according to this way of achieving peace, It would be temporary. You fail to understand that chapter 700 shows this generation of shinobi, while my post says after the next generation or after that which is totally possible as the bond which is made by this generation of shinobi would not live on in the next and next and next generations.

Please use your brains, okay?

What you fail to understand is that, it's irrelevant because the manga is OVER. You can't make an reasoned prediction of a future that cannot and will not exist, and lets say for the sake of argument you could, it would no more valid than me saying... If the author says happily ever after, then that's that.
 
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It will be etched into history however, the one time when every nation came under the same banner and fought against a common enemy. That alone will help define things. Take for example today's world. None of the major powers are actively trying to conquer each other, China isn't trying to destroy the US and England isn't trying to bring back it's old Empire. That's because previous wars had united the major countries under on banner (the UN...sort of) and for the most part, no major country has gone to war with another one.
 

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Peace is never permanent. Peace is not a set it and forget about it type of thing. Like Hashirama said, you start with a dream and you pass that dream and goals onto future generations so they can continue pursuing it. It was never intended for Hashirama to complete the whole plan, just to raise a generation to carry it forward. Before the village system there was constant war children were continuously dying. Both Madara and Hashi had most of their siblings die. The Academy system helped to raise strong children that were able to defend themselves and the village so they live longer, if that were not the case Naruto's generation would not have been around to achieve peace this time.

How long peace will last will depend on the lessons they learned from it and whether or not they pass that down to future generations. Since the manga was finished we have no idea of how things were settled between the villages. We are led to believe that the villages are cooperating with each other. The Gokages still get together, which means they have put aside their differences, and the Hokages still get together which means they get together to discuss and settle their differences. Whether or not Sasuke's tour brought information that was a help in satisfying some of the villages problems we have yet to find out. I doubt he would have returned to the village if he was unhappy with the answers he sought.

With most of the outside influences that were working behind the scenes taken care of, there is more of a chance that the villages will continue to cooperate with each other than there ever was before. As long as they continue to work at it and remind future generations of the lessons of the past, peace has a chance of lasting a few generations, instead of just one.
 
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