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So I have been doing some research about everyones age and the timeline of when the various World Wars and other events have happened. I figured this might allow us to better understand the various theories out there about who Tobi is, among other things. This is probably going to be long, so don't complain that it's TL;DR. This is not 100% complete yet. I tried to be as factual as I could possibly be with my ages for people, based on facts from other characters ages, but there are some assumptions made on my part. Personally I think that these ages and timeline of events are as close as possible to what they would turn out to be. I think I will list everything first and then explain why, so here goes. Oh by the way, all the ages I have for people are what they would CURRENTLY be in the story as of the recent chapter, if they were not dead, unless stated otherwise. All the characters I listed are in some way used to determine the age of other characters and events.
Now let me explain myself about how I came to these numbers. Let us start with how I came up with the First World War's date:
Now let's move on to the Second World War, and also included, Nagato's, Minato's, and Yahiko's age. There is some speculation here, but I think it is pretty accurate. It might not seem that way until you hear everyone's age, such as Nagato's and Yahiko's, and Minato's, but bear with me:
This part further explains how I got those numbers and partly includes the Third World War:
Now on to the Third World War, not much to say about it really;
Now I am going to move on to how I came up with Shisui's age, which took some digging. It might not be correct, but I feel it is closest to what his age would basically be. I found this out by looking at Ao's statements about fighting Shisui at one point, and Ao's involvement in the Bloody Mist, and also Zabuza and Haku's age and events they went through. There is a lot of speculation in this part.
Now that those are taken care of, we can go on to some serious stuff, such as Hashirama, Tobirama, Madara, and Izuna.
Damn this is long, I don't know, let me know what you guys think. I think it is pretty accurate in my opinion. I will try to update it later if I can think of anything else, and try to make it more factual. I looked at a lot of people's known ages and known age of events that happened to determine a lot of the unknown ages, but did not write down every single detail when I was researching this stuff. So some thing may not seem 100% factual. I will try to make it better at a later time, everything is just in my head and I have to further research to remember how I connected the dots haha. But still, I think it is pretty good. Maybe some of you can see some things I didn't to try to figure some of the mysteries out about Tobi and other people.
First World War: Happened about 52 Years ago.
Second World War: Happened about 36 Years ago.
Third World War: Lasted 3 Years most likely, 20-17 Years ago.
Hashirama: ~92 - 102 Years Old.
Madara: ~92 - 102 Years Old.
Izuna: ~82 - 92 Years Old.
Tobirama: ~82 - 92 Years Old.
Oonoki: ~73-76 Years Old.
Chiyo: 73 Years Old.
Danzo: 72 Years Old.
Homura + Koharu: 72 Years Old.
Kagami: ~72 Years Old.
Hiruzen: 68-69 Years Old.
Dan: ~63 Years Old.
Jiraiya: 54 Years Old.
Orochimaru: 54 Years Old.
Tsunade: 54 Years Old.
Nawaki: ~48 Years Old.
Nagato: ~46 Years Old.
Yahiko: ~46 Years Old.
Minato: ~43 - 44 Years Old.
4th Kazekage(Gaara's Dad): 40 Years Old.
Killer Bee: 35 Years Old.
Sasori: 35 Years Old.
Ao: ~32-38 Years Old.
Shisui: ~32 Years Old.
Kakashi: 30 Years Old.
Obito: 30 Years Old.
Zabuza: 29 Years Old.
Kabuto: 23 Years Old.
Itachi: 21 Years Old.
Kimimaro: 18 Years Old.
Haku: 18 Years Old.
Sasuke: 16 Years Old.
Naruto: 16 Years Old.
Second World War: Happened about 36 Years ago.
Third World War: Lasted 3 Years most likely, 20-17 Years ago.
Hashirama: ~92 - 102 Years Old.
Madara: ~92 - 102 Years Old.
Izuna: ~82 - 92 Years Old.
Tobirama: ~82 - 92 Years Old.
Oonoki: ~73-76 Years Old.
Chiyo: 73 Years Old.
Danzo: 72 Years Old.
Homura + Koharu: 72 Years Old.
Kagami: ~72 Years Old.
Hiruzen: 68-69 Years Old.
Dan: ~63 Years Old.
Jiraiya: 54 Years Old.
Orochimaru: 54 Years Old.
Tsunade: 54 Years Old.
Nawaki: ~48 Years Old.
Nagato: ~46 Years Old.
Yahiko: ~46 Years Old.
Minato: ~43 - 44 Years Old.
4th Kazekage(Gaara's Dad): 40 Years Old.
Killer Bee: 35 Years Old.
Sasori: 35 Years Old.
Ao: ~32-38 Years Old.
Shisui: ~32 Years Old.
Kakashi: 30 Years Old.
Obito: 30 Years Old.
Zabuza: 29 Years Old.
Kabuto: 23 Years Old.
Itachi: 21 Years Old.
Kimimaro: 18 Years Old.
Haku: 18 Years Old.
Sasuke: 16 Years Old.
Naruto: 16 Years Old.
Now let me explain myself about how I came to these numbers. Let us start with how I came up with the First World War's date:
All three Sannin were 6 years old when they first became a part of Hiruzen's team, which is right after they graduated the Ninja Academy. That would be 48 years ago. It is also said that Hiruzen was already Hokage when the Sannin became part of his team. Hiruzen would have been 21 at that time. We know when Hiruzen became Hokage, it was during the battle in the First War when Tobirama became the decoy and sacrificed himself so that Team Tobirama could live. So he had to have become Hokage sometime before he was 21. We know he was in Team Tobirama when he was little with Homura and Koharu:
They were both a few years older than Hiruzen, so I am speculating that they were 10 years old when they graduated the Ninja Academy and concurrently went into the team, and that Hiruzen was about 6 or 7, and the war was not going on then. I would imagine Hiruzen was about 17 or 18 when he became Hokage that say that Tobirama died. I cannot see him being really any younger, since that would odd for someone even younger than that becoming Hokage. So that would mean the War was about 52 years ago. Another point is that IF the War was indeed 52 years ago, there is a scene where Hashirama was with a child Tsunade, so that scene would fit the timeline of events. Tsunade would have been 2 years old when the war happened, so Hashirama could have indeed been in a scene with her before the war according to this. Note: Danzo would have been 20 during the battle Tobirama died, and Kagami would have been around the same age, probably 18-20.
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They were both a few years older than Hiruzen, so I am speculating that they were 10 years old when they graduated the Ninja Academy and concurrently went into the team, and that Hiruzen was about 6 or 7, and the war was not going on then. I would imagine Hiruzen was about 17 or 18 when he became Hokage that say that Tobirama died. I cannot see him being really any younger, since that would odd for someone even younger than that becoming Hokage. So that would mean the War was about 52 years ago. Another point is that IF the War was indeed 52 years ago, there is a scene where Hashirama was with a child Tsunade, so that scene would fit the timeline of events. Tsunade would have been 2 years old when the war happened, so Hashirama could have indeed been in a scene with her before the war according to this. Note: Danzo would have been 20 during the battle Tobirama died, and Kagami would have been around the same age, probably 18-20.
Now let's move on to the Second World War, and also included, Nagato's, Minato's, and Yahiko's age. There is some speculation here, but I think it is pretty accurate. It might not seem that way until you hear everyone's age, such as Nagato's and Yahiko's, and Minato's, but bear with me:
It was said that there was about 20 years between the First and Second World Wars. I believe the Second War happened about 36 Years ago, which would be almost 20 years since the First War, 16 to be exact. A bunch of things happened in the Second War, such as the Sannin being named by Hanzo, and Jiraiya training Nagato, Yahiko, and Konan. Now as I said Jiraiya was 6 years old when he graduated the Academy and went into Hiruzen's training team, 48 Years ago. Based on Nagato's and Minato's age, and the fact that Jiraiya was already training Nagato by the time Nagato was 10 years old(Since Jiraiya said that Nagato mastered all Elemental Jutsu by 10), Jiraiya would have been about 18 years old when he trained Nagato, which was 36 years ago, the time the Second War was going on.
I based this on several facts, one of them being the fact that Yahiko died in the THIRD War when he was 25-30 years old. We know the Third War happened 20-17 years ago. Now if Yahiko was 10 years old when Jiraiya trained him, which was 36 Years ago, and died in the Third War that happened about 17-20 years ago, I figured out Yahiko's age at the time of his death to be about 26-29, based on when in the war he died. Either way he would be about 46 today. Same as Nagato.
Note: Nawaki was 12 Years old when he died during this war, meaning he would be 48 today. Dan was 27, meaning he would be 63 today.
I based this on several facts, one of them being the fact that Yahiko died in the THIRD War when he was 25-30 years old. We know the Third War happened 20-17 years ago. Now if Yahiko was 10 years old when Jiraiya trained him, which was 36 Years ago, and died in the Third War that happened about 17-20 years ago, I figured out Yahiko's age at the time of his death to be about 26-29, based on when in the war he died. Either way he would be about 46 today. Same as Nagato.
Note: Nawaki was 12 Years old when he died during this war, meaning he would be 48 today. Dan was 27, meaning he would be 63 today.
This part further explains how I got those numbers and partly includes the Third World War:
Now I got to those numbers by looking at Minato's age and when Jiraiya could have trained him. Jiraiya trained Minato AFTER he was in the Hidden Rain training Nagato and Yahiko. Now there are some hints to Minato's age, we know he was 10 years old when he graduated the Academy and went into Jiraiya's team. It was said he became Hokage before the age of 30, further reducing it down, it was said he was younger than Kakashi was when Kakashi was being appointed the 6th Hokage, so we can figure Minato had to have been younger than 29 he was Hokage 16 years ago. But he WASN'T Hokage during the Third World War when Kakashi was on his team. I will get to this in a moment. Back to when he was trained by Jiraiya. Now if Jiraiya was 18 when he trained Nagato as I have shown above, when he got back to Konoha he started training Minato shortly after. I believe Jiraiya had to have been about 20 years old when this happened. Since he trained Nagato and them for about 3 years, this lines up nicely.
If Jiraiya trained Minato when Minato was 10, and Jiraiya was 20, that would be 34 Years ago. Meaning Minato would be about 44 today. This lines up nicely with the other events also. The Third World War was about 17 Years ago, meaning Minato would have been 27 at the time. Since the Kyuubi attack on Konoha was 16 Years ago, and Minato was Hokage by then, this lines up nicely with Minato being younger than Kakashi and younger than 30 when he became Hokage. He would have became Hokage around 28 by my calculations. He would have been 29 three months after the Kyuubi attack if he lived.
If Jiraiya trained Minato when Minato was 10, and Jiraiya was 20, that would be 34 Years ago. Meaning Minato would be about 44 today. This lines up nicely with the other events also. The Third World War was about 17 Years ago, meaning Minato would have been 27 at the time. Since the Kyuubi attack on Konoha was 16 Years ago, and Minato was Hokage by then, this lines up nicely with Minato being younger than Kakashi and younger than 30 when he became Hokage. He would have became Hokage around 28 by my calculations. He would have been 29 three months after the Kyuubi attack if he lived.
Now on to the Third World War, not much to say about it really;
During Kakashi Gaiden, Kakashi was 13 years old. He is 30 now, so it is pretty obvious to me that the war was 17 years ago. It also ended shortly after that, since the Kyuubi attack was 16 years ago. Also, since Kabuto is 23 years old currently, and it was said that he was 3 years old when the Battle of Kikyo Pass happened(The battle in which he was the only person alive and brought to Konoha afterwards), that must mean the war was ongoing 20 years ago also. So we can presume the war lasted 3 years, from 20 years ago to 17 years ago. Now there IS a little inconsistency in this, as it said that that battle happened close to the end of the war, but it would not make sense based on Kakashi's age, so that might be wrong.
Now I am going to move on to how I came up with Shisui's age, which took some digging. It might not be correct, but I feel it is closest to what his age would basically be. I found this out by looking at Ao's statements about fighting Shisui at one point, and Ao's involvement in the Bloody Mist, and also Zabuza and Haku's age and events they went through. There is a lot of speculation in this part.
Let's start off with Zabuza's age, he would be 29 today if he didn't die, 26 at the time he did die. Now it was said that the Bloody Mist ritual of the academy students killing each other ended when Zabuza killed the entire graduating class before he was even in the academy. We know when Zabuza graduated the academy, it was at age 9, so the Bloody Mist ended about 20 years ago. But it was said that Ao was grew up in the time of the Bloody Mist, so he has to be over 20 obviously. He also fought Shisui once, so I would assume this battle would be during the Third World War.
Let me go back to Zabuza for a minute, and Haku. Haku would be 18 years old today, 15 when he died. Zabuza was still a part of the Hidden Mist when he found Haku, so it had to be before his Coup attempt. I figure Haku was around 10 years old when Zabuza found him, since Haku was living alone for some time after he killed his father and his mother died, and that happened when he was a little younger. Zabuza would have been 21 at the time. He trained Haku to help him in his Coup attempt, which I think happened around the time he was 24. Haku also met Kimimaro after Zabuza's Coup attempt, so he probably met Kimimaro shortly before Naruto and them met Zabuza, I would say around when Haku was 13, and so was Kimimaro, since Kimimaro is the same age as Haku.
Ok so anyway, I would assume Ao is around 32 years old, if he grew up in the Bloody Mist, he probably was around 10 years old when he graduated the academy, which makes sense if he fought in the Third World War, he would be around 15 years old at the time of the war. So saying that, we know Shisui died 8 years ago, according to Itachi's age. Itachi was 13 when he joined ANBU, and 6 months after that it was said Shisui started spying on him. Shortly after THAT, Shisui was found dead, based on Itachi's birthday, he would have been found dead around December to February, at the age of ~24. He would be 32 today. He would have been about 14-15 during the war when he fought Ao, and if he used his MS against Ao, or against someone else near Ao so Ao could see his Chakra color, that would line up with his MS taking 10 years to activate again. Now we don't know for sure if Shisui's MS can activate again in the crow without Shisui's body, but I assume it can since Itachi stated it would take 10 years to activate again to Naruto, meaning he would be able to use it again in time. Shisui's eye either would have been active when he gave it to Itachi, or it would have activated again shortly after he gave it to him, within a year. I think this makes the most sense, because if he did not use his eye during the war, the last time he could have possibly used it would be when he was 22, when nothing was going on at the time. Otherwise his eye would not have been active for Naruto to use it against Itachi.
Anyway, Shisui would have been about 16 at the time of the Kyuubi attack on Konoha, and Tobi definitely looked older than that. The way Tobi's body was during the Kyuubi attack indicates someone older, that is the way Kishi draws people. Teenagers just look different. Same with Obito, Obito would have only been 14-15. Not old enough.
Let me go back to Zabuza for a minute, and Haku. Haku would be 18 years old today, 15 when he died. Zabuza was still a part of the Hidden Mist when he found Haku, so it had to be before his Coup attempt. I figure Haku was around 10 years old when Zabuza found him, since Haku was living alone for some time after he killed his father and his mother died, and that happened when he was a little younger. Zabuza would have been 21 at the time. He trained Haku to help him in his Coup attempt, which I think happened around the time he was 24. Haku also met Kimimaro after Zabuza's Coup attempt, so he probably met Kimimaro shortly before Naruto and them met Zabuza, I would say around when Haku was 13, and so was Kimimaro, since Kimimaro is the same age as Haku.
Ok so anyway, I would assume Ao is around 32 years old, if he grew up in the Bloody Mist, he probably was around 10 years old when he graduated the academy, which makes sense if he fought in the Third World War, he would be around 15 years old at the time of the war. So saying that, we know Shisui died 8 years ago, according to Itachi's age. Itachi was 13 when he joined ANBU, and 6 months after that it was said Shisui started spying on him. Shortly after THAT, Shisui was found dead, based on Itachi's birthday, he would have been found dead around December to February, at the age of ~24. He would be 32 today. He would have been about 14-15 during the war when he fought Ao, and if he used his MS against Ao, or against someone else near Ao so Ao could see his Chakra color, that would line up with his MS taking 10 years to activate again. Now we don't know for sure if Shisui's MS can activate again in the crow without Shisui's body, but I assume it can since Itachi stated it would take 10 years to activate again to Naruto, meaning he would be able to use it again in time. Shisui's eye either would have been active when he gave it to Itachi, or it would have activated again shortly after he gave it to him, within a year. I think this makes the most sense, because if he did not use his eye during the war, the last time he could have possibly used it would be when he was 22, when nothing was going on at the time. Otherwise his eye would not have been active for Naruto to use it against Itachi.
Anyway, Shisui would have been about 16 at the time of the Kyuubi attack on Konoha, and Tobi definitely looked older than that. The way Tobi's body was during the Kyuubi attack indicates someone older, that is the way Kishi draws people. Teenagers just look different. Same with Obito, Obito would have only been 14-15. Not old enough.
Now that those are taken care of, we can go on to some serious stuff, such as Hashirama, Tobirama, Madara, and Izuna.
Let's start with Tobirama. Based on Danzo's age and my calculations of when the First World War happened, we know Danzo was 20 years old at the time of the First War, when Tobirama became the sacrifice. Obviously Tobirama had to have been older than that. Since Hiruzen was 6 years old when Tobirama trained him, and that was before the war obviously, I would say Tobirama had to have been around 20 at the time, he could have been a little bit older though. Since the war happened 11 years after that, Tobirama would have been around 30-32 years old at the time. So he would be basically 82 years old today. I say anywhere from 82-92 years old, since he could have been a bit older than 20 at the time he trained Hiruzen.
Now Hashirama was his older brother, so he had to have been a little older than Tobirama, I would say at the most he was 10 years older. So that means he would be 92-102 years old today. Hashirama trained Hiruzen also, so he was definitely alive some time shortly before the First World War. That would mean Hashirama and Madara fought in their epic battle when they were 30-40 years old most likely. I would assume Madara is basically the same age as Hashirama, since they were both rivals and head of their clan, and that Tobirama and Izuna were around the same age also. That would make Izuna 92-102 years old today. Way to old to be Tobi in my opinion.
This also means that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan when Madara was 56-46 years old, since he most likely gave Nagato the Rinnegan when Nagato was just an infant. This also means that Orochimaru was 8 years old when Madara was still alive, which I don't think is old enough to plot any plans with him, as some people have stated. Or get Hashirama's DNA from his either. Orochimaru definitely had Hashirama's DNA 26 years ago, when he was 28, based on Yamato's age.
Note: Also, I saw in a recent thread about someone saying Fugaku met with Madara and plotted this plan with him. Fugaku was 40 years old when he died, meaning he would be 48 today. This means he would have been 2 years old when Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan, and then died. So I highly doubt a 2 year old would be plotting with Madara and end up being Tobi.
Now Hashirama was his older brother, so he had to have been a little older than Tobirama, I would say at the most he was 10 years older. So that means he would be 92-102 years old today. Hashirama trained Hiruzen also, so he was definitely alive some time shortly before the First World War. That would mean Hashirama and Madara fought in their epic battle when they were 30-40 years old most likely. I would assume Madara is basically the same age as Hashirama, since they were both rivals and head of their clan, and that Tobirama and Izuna were around the same age also. That would make Izuna 92-102 years old today. Way to old to be Tobi in my opinion.
This also means that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan when Madara was 56-46 years old, since he most likely gave Nagato the Rinnegan when Nagato was just an infant. This also means that Orochimaru was 8 years old when Madara was still alive, which I don't think is old enough to plot any plans with him, as some people have stated. Or get Hashirama's DNA from his either. Orochimaru definitely had Hashirama's DNA 26 years ago, when he was 28, based on Yamato's age.
Note: Also, I saw in a recent thread about someone saying Fugaku met with Madara and plotted this plan with him. Fugaku was 40 years old when he died, meaning he would be 48 today. This means he would have been 2 years old when Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan, and then died. So I highly doubt a 2 year old would be plotting with Madara and end up being Tobi.
Damn this is long, I don't know, let me know what you guys think. I think it is pretty accurate in my opinion. I will try to update it later if I can think of anything else, and try to make it more factual. I looked at a lot of people's known ages and known age of events that happened to determine a lot of the unknown ages, but did not write down every single detail when I was researching this stuff. So some thing may not seem 100% factual. I will try to make it better at a later time, everything is just in my head and I have to further research to remember how I connected the dots haha. But still, I think it is pretty good. Maybe some of you can see some things I didn't to try to figure some of the mysteries out about Tobi and other people.
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