Timeline EXPLANATION

[Pwner10144]

good job +rep

Indeed a good job, but dont you think its kinda freaky the fact how weak obito was when he was like 13 and then a couple years later he was able to take on his master and could of even killed him, as well as able to control kyubi on the third stage of the sharingan well i think thats really impressive.


another point which is intresting is that all the clues were there in front of us example like duh guy has one eye which is a sharingan so who else could of been and in fact most of us would of blindly geuss that,
however kishi was really clever he made obito known as madara uchiha and becuase his powers were so imprerssive and the fact we did not no much about the real madara uchiha powers it made sense.

anyways now it makes sense to me too, so +rep dude.well done.<3

 

[Badass09]

Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan in hopes that Nagato will master Rinnegan and bring him back to life:

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I put allot work in it so pls no rude/insulting posts or I'll report it.

How comes? Didn't Madara die minutes after developing the Rinnengan? Because I am sure he didn't have enough time to use it so how did he have time to handle it to Nagato if he kinda died when he awakened it?
Please explain me this bit. No hint were given saying if he lived long enough to handle rinnengan when he had it nor saying that he died straight away but the facts make it seems like if he died straight away... I don't think he knew about outer path... He just had it and died how could he know about its jutsu?

 

[Mejkl3]

How comes? Didn't Madara die minutes after developing the Rinnengan? Because I am sure he didn't have enough time to use it so how did he have time to handle it to Nagato if he kinda died when he awakened it?
Please explain me this bit. No hint were given saying if he lived long enough to handle rinnengan when he had it nor saying that he died straight away but the facts make it seems like if he died straight away... I don't think he knew about outer path... He just had it and died how could he know about its jutsu?

Don think it was minutes right before his death as he written the stone momentum in the uchiha hideout. I supose he lived about a week or so after he died (after obtaining Rinnegan). So he had enough time to write this on Uchiha stone momentum and give Nagato the Rinnegan.

 

[Badass09]

Don think it was minutes right before his death as he written the stone momentum in the uchiha hideout. I supose he lived about a week or so after he died (after obtaining Rinnegan). So he had enough time to write this on Uchiha stone momentum and give Nagato the Rinnegan.

So, you suppose uh? Well it was said he got his rinnengan when he was about to die... If he had lived long enough to test Rinnegan then how comes he doesn't know much about it? He just used meteors using deva path nothing else and he was just testing because he didn't know about that before...

These theories are to be broken till the core...

 

[Talal]

The Chunin thing Doesn't make sense. First, they don't look like 6 year olds, but I will ignore this point. Second, Guy became a Chunin at 11 years old, do you really think that he kept trying for 5 years to get promoted?

Let's just agree that Kishi really messed up last chapter.

 

[DeidaraSenpai007]

good point but u haven't explained how obito and madara know each other.and if u say he is the one who saved obito under the rocks which was 17 years ago,then explain how Edo madara looks like in his thirties

 

[Mejkl3]

So, you suppose uh? Well it was said he got his rinnengan when he was about to die... If he had lived long enough to test Rinnegan then how comes he doesn't know much about it? He just used meteors using deva path nothing else and he was just testing because he didn't know about that before...

These theories are to be broken till the core...

He knows how to use Preta path (draining chakra) and Deva path (meteor technique). He was learning and practiting with Rinnegan as he learned 2 Rinnegan paths.

 

[uzumaki antonia]

It actually makes sense. Good job..

 

[Badass09]

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Shortly before his death does it extend for days? Hours?
It doesn't exactly say it but he says shortly... And I am sure he did not know he would awake it so how comes he already had it planned to implant the eyes in someone's else in order to get back to life with its power? Or he awakened rinnengan and went crazy looking for Uzumaki's body to iplant it...?

 

[Talal]

Also, I just checked their graduation ages. Guy graduated at 7, Genma at 10, Ebisu at 10, and Hayate at 12!

It wouldn't make sense for them to take the exam when they are clearly not even close to being qualified.

 

[Mejkl3]

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Shortly before his death does it extend for days? Hours?
It doesn't exactly say it but he says shortly... And I am sure he did not know he would awake it so how comes he already had it planned to implant the eyes in someone's else in order to get back to life with its power? Or he awakened rinnengan and went crazy looking for Uzumaki's body to iplant it...?

Well we know that Uzumakis lived in the Uzushiogakure and it was destroyed. Nagato was a survivor Uzumaki who lived in Amegakura. Madara hated Konoha and Hashirama. And as we seen hashirama made Uzushiogakure their allies so they were Madaras enemys. So he killed the clan and rescued a baby Nagato to bring him to a unknow village (Amegakure) and implanting his Rinnegan into him as he died from the wounds he has taken from Uzushiogakure (He is Madara but we r talking here about 1 vs an entire village, so even the strongest could have get injured).

 

[Mejkl3]

Also, I just checked their graduation ages. Guy graduated at 7, Genma at 10, Ebisu at 10, and Hayate at 12!

It wouldn't make sense for them to take the exam when they are clearly not even close to being qualified.

Well yeah Kishi needs to reveal alot more about the exams. In part 1 he said only teams can get to chunin but between part 1 and 2 Sakura (without Naruto and Sasuke), Ino and Choji (without Shikamaru as he alredy was chunin) were promoted to chunin and they didnt have their teams.

 

[Rezakage]

Agreed

 

[FizzyDrink]

I'm sorry, but this honestly didn't prove anything. You just took a VERY roundabout path to say that Tobi was 30, when all you had to do was look at Kakashi's age in the Databook. And also, it doesn't matter at all really if Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan. We know for a fact that Madara and Tobi worked on the Moon's eye plan together, and your timeline doesn't explain that at all.

i dont think that he controlled the fouth mizukage at 95
i believe it happened before he attached konoha, because:
at that time there was the bloody training in the village of mist and zabuza said he took that type of training, and zabuza was 26 when died so he was at most 13 (because he was strong and smart he may be younger) when took that training meaning that kakashi was also 13, so i believe it was on year 87 or may be earlier

please explain if you have other opinion.

OP, I would kindly like it if you try to counter the points I and muhawari posted above. You do not provide an explanation for either of our points in your thread.

 

[Bloodytaste]

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Shortly before his death does it extend for days? Hours?
It doesn't exactly say it but he says shortly... And I am sure he did not know he would awake it so how comes he already had it planned to implant the eyes in someone's else in order to get back to life with its power? Or he awakened rinnengan and went crazy looking for Uzumaki's body to iplant it...?

this!

Guys Tobi & Madara know each other this must mean they met. And so thats why tobi was afraid seeing Madaras Edo Tensei that Kabuto showed him.

there are only 2 possbilities left to explain this

1. It was Madara back then who controlled yagura and not Tobi! We did not saw a mask or face when "this" Tobi showed himself, just 1 Eye this was made to fool us and believe it is Tobi...no it was Madara. He did not die, and continued his mission, maybe he put Kisame also under a genjutsu we do not know that.

2.If Kisame really recognized Obito as beeing the one we saw at the flashback controlling yagura, this only could mean, that it was Obito there...kisame was already grown and as we know kisame is somehwat 1 year older then kakashi. Cuz i do not believe any character just looks like obito at this time with a crushed right face that kisame would recognize as beeing him...so noooooooooooo guys, there are nooooo 2 Tobis...there may be 1 madara and 1 Obito but not 2 Tobis, never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever!
An no Izuna swichting Bodys into low lv Uchiha this is more stupid then anything else i ever heard. there where tons of better uchiha to capture and beat, why should they go and pick some half dead uchiha.

 

[Sentinelsgalore]

Seems after the last chapter everbody is confused about Kishis timeline so I will try to explain it.

So lets say Naruto (not shippuden) started at year 100.

Kakashi age in year 100 was 27 and in the 3rd great ninja war he was 13 that means the 3rd Great Ninja War was 14 years before the start of the series OR in other words in year 86. (Note: Rin and Obito were also 13 too)



Year 86 <---------- 14 years -------- Year 100
-3rd Shinobi world war_________________-start of Naruto
-Kakashi age 13_______________________-Kakashi age 27
-Obito age 13



It was said that the nine-tails attack on konoha occurred 12 years before the start of Naruto. That means in year 88.

Both Kakashi and Obito (Tobi) were 15 at that time. Notice the growth of Kakashi and Gai. Their high matches with Tobis and Minatos heigh.

Kakashi and Guy:

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Tobi:

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As u can see Tobi has short hair.



Year 86 ------- 2 years---------> Year 88 <------ 12 years ------ Year 100
-Kakashi age 13_____________-Kakashi age 15___________________-Start
-Obito age 13_______________-Obito/Tobi age 15 (short hair)



Rin didn't appear in the nine-tails attack on Konoha that means she was dead. Rin died between year 86 and 88.



It was said that the Uchiha clan Massacre took place 5 years before the start of Naruto. That means in year 95. At this time Obito/Tobi was 22 years old.

He and Itachi meet at this time:

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And as u can see Tobi has longer hair. So theres no problem with Tobi/Obitos hair. Its just normal hair growth. As in year 88 he had short hair and in year 95 he had longer hair.



Year 88 ------- 7 years---------> Year 95 <------ 5 years ------ Year 100
-Obito/Tobi age 15___________-Obito/Tobi age 22______________-Start
(short hair)__________________(long hair)



Tobi being the mizukage:

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He had also long hair while he controlled the 4th Mizukage so i presume he controled the mizukage around year 95.

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Now we come to the Kakashi promotion age problem.

We all know Kakashi got promoted to chunin at the age of 6 while Rin and Obito got promoted at age of 11. How comes so? They were a team after all. The answer lies in chapter 599.

HINT: Take a good look on their clothes.

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Here we can see Kakashi getting promoted to chunin.

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And here we can see Obito getting promoted to chunin.

The answer is simple. There was a time-skip of 5 years between page 11 and 12 of chapter 599. How do i know that? Here ...

take a good look at team Minatos clothes in the next 3 pages:

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They CHANGED. In page 11 you can see Obito being upset because Kakashi became chunin. So he starts training Shurikenjutsu. And thats where the 5 year time skip occured. Team Minato was 6 years old on page 11 and on page 12 they were 11 as Obito became chunin at age of 11. And again on page 11 another time skip of 2 years occurs when Rin requests Obito to come to the place in page 12. On page 12 they are 13 years old as Kakashi was promoted to Jounin at the age of 13.

Page 11= Team Minato age 6 (Kakashi promoted to Chunin)
5 year time skip (Obito training to become stronger)
Page 12= Team Minato age 11 (Obito and Rin promoted to Chunin)
2 year time skip
Page 13= Team Minato age 13 (Kakashi promoted to Jounin)



As we saw Kakashi and Obito/Tobi are the same age in Kakashi gaiden. And as Kakashi is in Naruto shippuden 30 years old so is also Obito/Tobi 30 years old. Obito/Tobi is 30 years old.



Now lets come to the last part ... the part where Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan.

Those who think Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan ... WERE JUST FOOLED BY TOBI's IDENTITY AS MADARA!

Konan though Tobi was Madara Uchiha as Tobi fooled her to think as him of Madara:

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Tobi knows that Konan thinks he is Madara so he is telling her the history of Madara and not himself. So Madara was the one who gave Nagato the Rinnegan:

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And we all know that Madara awakened the Rinnegan before his death and not Tobi:

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Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan in hopes that Nagato will master Rinnegan and bring him back to life:

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I put allot work in it so pls no rude/insulting posts or I'll report it.

The period of the village of the bloody mist occured before the uchiha clan massacre. Obito and kakashi are the same age as Zabuza. Zabuza ended the period of the bloody mist. If Obito was the one who controlled the Mizukage then he would have been 9. the Uchiha Clan massacre happened after the 3rd shinobi world war. So according to you Obito grew his hair to control the mizukage, cut his hair to fight minato and then grew his hair again for the uchiha clan massacre. That seems like a plothole to me.

 

[Bloodytaste]

The period of the village of the bloody mist occured before the uchiha clan massacre. Obito and kakashi are the same age as Zabuza. Zabuza ended the period of the bloody mist. If Obito was the one who controlled the Mizukage then he would have been 9. the Uchiha Clan massacre happened after the 3rd shinobi world war. So according to you Obito grew his hair to control the mizukage, cut his hair to fight minato and then grew his hair again for the uchiha clan massacre. That seems like a plothole to me.

lol anyone of u guys know " when " this happend and how old zabuza was doing this? No! Believe it, Zabuza tried to assassinate yagura there he was around 18 or 20 years old~
No Plot Hole here~ It was everthing after the Kyuubi/Tobi attack of Konoha

 

[natssuu]

Hmm, the only thing that bugs me is that how Madara knows Obito? Even if it was Madara who gave the rinnegans to Nagato, Tobi should have been alive at that time, meaning during 2nd great ninja war. Sannins were teens/very young then, so Obito wasn't even born..

 

[Nick Uchiha]

You must have put alot of time into this, it makes complete sense tho, thank u!! +REP

 

[Bloodytaste]

Hmm, the only thing that bugs me is that how Madara knows Obito? Even if it was Madara who gave the rinnegans to Nagato, Tobi should have been alive at that time, meaning during 2nd great ninja war. Sannins were teens/very young then, so Obito wasn't even born..

Why do all people think Nagato got Madaras Rinnegan? What if madara just activated the Rinnegan inside of Nagato? Its just when Tobi said he got his Eyes at Kanabi bridge it meant to be activating there.

I kinda think that Nagato is A Madaras Son or B Madaras Experiment to find out how to achieve the Rinnegan.

A:
Uzumaki(Senju relation) + Uchiha = Sage. Maybe then you don't get the Sharingan anymore u instantly gain the Rinnegan, which is the true and ultimate form of the Sage, Jutsus from the Mangekyo Sharingan are kinda like the Rinnegan ability to create things. Izanagi(even without ms) for example, is maybe on close form of it~ Also that ever MS has another special ability comes from the point that the blood get thinner, so i believe the second son who got the eyes, had much more abilitys with his eyes but it after generations this changed and it became weaker and weaker. But if u fuse 2 eyes near blood related u are getting near to the power of the first son, u may achieve new jutsus but still they will be never complete. With the Body of Senju inherited u will be able to achieve further, maybe getting the Rinnegan itself. So if we Assume that Nagato is half Uchiha he got this Body and Soul already in him, which would make him into a thinner blooded Sage with his own Rinnegan~

B: The same as A only that Nagato was not his son maybe just a experiment, that madara did on Nagato to awaken the Rinnegan inside of him. I like A way better.

It would be crazy to assume that madara searched for an uzumaki, because knew he was going to die " shortly before getting the Rinnegan", i mean he can not forsee this, he hadnt have the time to find someone that fast...he have had nagato on his sight much earlier, but why? To give him his Rinnegan? No, i do not believe that he planned that, i mean as i said before how did he know he would die shortly before activating it~