[Discussion] Time Traveling Sage

[Kurama999]

Agree mostly of it,...

My theory.

Spoiler

When the Sage divided Juubi into 9 parts, he may had put some of his chakra into the last part Kurama.
Then when Naruto win against Kurama, he gained the look-alike Sage cloak, when in bijuu mode.
Kurama was unique as he can sense (detect) evil from afar.
As "Time Traveling" Sage, he could have stay inside Naruto mind, understanding Naruto behavior and the ninja world.
Could be the same method as both Minato and Kushina appeared inside Naruto.
Minato stop Naruto at the point when Naruto wanted to pull out the seal.

So when the Sage on seeing what is happening thru Naruto, he appeared.
He said to Naruto, "Now is the right time" and also said "The things you did too".

 

[valandil988]

I think you are more upset at the fact that you couldn't predict what's going to happen so it's hurting your feelings a little bit. Firstly, the Sage is not a physical entity that can change or affect the future. There's no way he could have "known" how his choice would have played out. He put his beliefs into humanity and cooperation and it didn't work out. He's not a damn time traveler to where he can go to one point into the future and back. He was a form of chakra that flowed through time as it was happening after he died. Secondly who the hell cares if the Sage didn't appear the way every damn person on NB predicted. Now THAT would have been uncomplicated and boring.

Then he would be a ghost, not a "time traveler". I'm sorry saying one thing, "Time traveler" and then turning around and saying that's not what Kishi really meant is a total cop out. He is astrally projecting himself from his death bed or something. This means he had this power before and could have divined what his actions would cause.

I'm not complaining about how people predicted it and how it obviously doesn't match up, all I'm complaining about is the obvious plot holes it opens. It doesn't tie up loose ends it creates more!

If the sage was more limited, IE he stated he was an echo of his past self that would makes sense, HELL if he had stated he was just a ghost that would make more sense instead of bring in this whole "time travel" thing which just opens a whole new can of worms.

Agree mostly of it,...

My theory.

Spoiler

When the Sage divided Juubi into 9 parts, he may had put some of his chakra into the last part Kurama.
Then when Naruto win against Kurama, he gained the look-alike Sage cloak, when in bijuu mode.
Kurama was unique as he can sense (detect) evil from afar.
As "Time Traveling" Sage, he could have stay inside Naruto mind, understanding Naruto behavior and the ninja world.
Could be the same method as both Minato and Kushina appeared inside Naruto.
Minato stop Naruto at the point when Naruto wanted to pull out the seal.

So when the Sage on seeing what is happening thru Naruto, he appeared.
He said to Naruto, "Now is the right time" and also said "The things you did too".

Again that would make him a ghost not a time traveler. Kishi used those exact words to describe the sage ergo he is a time traveler hence it opens up all these other questions.

Its just terrible story telling that's all I can say. As a writer you would say this element of this character creates more problems than it solves. Its an unnecessary distinction/complication of the sages character.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

So for example the creation of Juubidara is an element of the Sages creation that is a part of Samsara?

I feel the Juubi is an attempt to consolidate and subjegate the forces of creation for powers sake. To force a reality of peace. Now here is the hard part for folks to get their heads around. The tailed beasts exist because of the loop. Instinctively you may say "well wait, how did they come into the loop? What about before?" Actually there is no before in a loop it is self sustaining and there isn't a beginning. The conditions can be self contained and self sustained. The Juubi exists because the Bijuu were combined and the Bijuu exist because the Juubi was split. It's not really Samsara because we can escape Samsara thanks to the Buddha but Narutoverse is cursed and is unable to escape until they are freed from the loop that does not even allow for progression.

 

[valandil988]

I feel the Juubi is an attempt to consolidate and subjegate the forces of creation for powers sake. To force a reality of peace. Now here is the hard part for folks to get their heads around. The tailed beasts exist because of the loop. Instinctively you may say "well wait, how did they come into the loop? What about before?" Actually there is no before in a loop it is self sustaining and there isn't a beginning. The conditions can be self contained and self sustained. The Juubi exists because the Bijuu were combined and the Bijuu exist because the Juubi was split. It's not really Samsara because we can escape Samsara thanks to the Buddha but Narutoverse is cursed and is unable to escape until they are freed from the loop that does not even allow for progression.

Ahhhhh I see, so its like looking at a Pre-Buddha world. Where there was no path to progression where everything was caught in this never ending cycle of suffering.

So I guess Naruto is supposed to be the Buddha in this situation?

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Ahhhhh I see, so its like looking at a Pre-Buddha world. Where there was no path to progression where everything was caught in this never ending cycle of suffering.

So I guess Naruto is supposed to be the Buddha in this situation?

Kind of, think of it as Naruto is going to release a smaller loop which allows people the opportunity to potentially become a Buddha. Think of it as a spiral (Samsara) that suddenly stopped spiraling and looped instead for awhile, then hopefully returns to it's spiral again if things go well.

 

[Naruto99Uzumaki]

its jikukan ninjustu like kamui

 

[Ultimateone]

i don't think you understand what he was saying. the sage was obviously old as you can see by his appearance, so this is probably him at the end of his life. when he died his chakra took form and he was able to travel through the ages learning. he didn't know the outcome of anything, as he said himself he thought indra would cooperate with his brother. not until his death was he able to travel through time, and thus able to talk to future versions of his son/sons. he is unable to effect things that happen in the real world, only talk to the incarnations of his kid.

 

[valandil988]

i don't think you understand what he was saying. the sage was obviously old as you can see by his appearance, so this is probably him at the end of his life. when he died his chakra took form and he was able to travel through the ages learning. he didn't know the outcome of anything, as he said himself he thought indra would cooperate with his brother. not until his death was he able to travel through time, and thus able to talk to future versions of his son/sons. he is unable to effect things that happen in the real world, only talk to the incarnations of his kid.

Your wrong, he states here:

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"Whenever I travel through time" That sounds pretty absolute doesn't it?? He can time travel, he could do it any time he likely KNEW what his actions would create. Ergo hes like the worst war criminal ever lol.

This guy is so fishy it isn't even funny, he even glosses over the fact he had a brother. And since when was the last time people trust ANYONE with horns coming out of his forehead. I mean really???

 

[maniaoqan]

He is dead it is his consciousness that travels through time. I don't think he can go back and physically change anything

What this guy says..

 

[valandil988]

What this guy says..

Look above, its pretty obvious what, "whenever" I time travel. That means he has used it multiple times. Ergo its not just him being a ghost, if he was a ghost he would say so. And the different cultures wouldn't be such a shock to him if he had lived down through the ages.