Time Frame/First move Rule

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Since there seems to be a lot of arguing frequently reguarding this rule, i ask please that senseis, senpais or mods could explain this further since some people argue that you can only attack your opponent (when he is the first to move) if he made an offensive move, others say that your moves shouldn't block the enemy from making their own moves but instead block his already made ones...

I'm sorry, since this is a basic rule of the battle system, but this seems to be a point of arguing that should be clarified further.

Tks in advance
 

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Here's a thread in which someone attempted to twist a rule to get a completely retarded win.

As Lord Danzo said, if the rules worked like this, you could walk over to someone and then activate Chidori Nagashi to win every fight.
 

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you just cannot start before enemy who got first turn perform his jutsu- this also means that you cannot interupt first move because it is already done when you are allowed to fight
however you can attack if the enemy is taking too long or something, ofc you have to use some logic too U_U if some1 walks to you to kill you instantly from point blank thats just stupid- thats not how it works obviously
 

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What he wasn't allowed to do, was use a jutsu before you could even start to move.

For example, let's say you throw 3 kunais at him, based on your comprehensions of the rules, he wouldn't be allowed to protect himself with a jutsu since you didn't made your "first move".

The moment you start the match by doing something other then standing and looking at each other, he can do any jutsu he wants.
This is my opinion.

It doesn't need to be an attack to be declared "the first move". The point of this rule, as stated by Lord Danzo", is to prevent your first move from being nullified.

Example:

I use a jutsu. The other ninja says: "before you start performing handseals, I use my sharingan to see what you're going to do and use...etc"

This is against the rules. Even without the sharingan it would be wrong. As long as you perform something before the starting shinobi would even move a finger; it's against the rules.
 

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It has to be when some one states a move, such as:

I start running, or I start jumping back

If the opponent is already running, or jumping back, it counts as a move that can be attacked with jutsu.
 

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the rule agreed by senseis in our group was that you can react to the first aggressive act
I disagree with that. It should be the first movement regardless of whether its aggressive or not. If my opponent chooses to run around as their first move I shouldn't have to wait for him to attack before doing something. Its their fault for not attacking with their first move instead.

Its like I explained in the thread we had in Konoha. If its the first "aggressive" move, then I can walk up to my opponent and use a chidori nagashi and the match would be over. Based on that interpretation of the rule since me simply walking up to somebody isn't aggressive so I can't be attacked until after I use the nagashi.
 

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I know this was already dicussed several times and in konoha we were having this same discussing but since this matter seems to affect many RPears, i taught it would be good to make a thread reguarding this so that a conclusion could be reached. U_U
 

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Here's a thread in which someone attempted to twist a rule to get a completely retarded win.

As Lord Danzo said, if the rules worked like this, you could walk over to someone and then activate Chidori Nagashi to win every fight.
Frankly speaking, Perry should be the victor in that fight since going underwater counts as a sign of threat since it's purpose was to hide underwater O_O
 

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From what I've learned, if the opponent decides to run, you can also do so until the opponent makes the first aggressive move/attack/uses a technique if there's none, you can do so yourself.
 

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the rule agreed by senseis in our group was that you can react to the first aggressive act
But other than doing anything, isn't any move in a battle considered an aggressive act? I mean if you run its to do something aggressive...if you cast a jutsu (even one that is not attack) its aggression as you're preparing for something. I mean, in a battle pretty much anything is aggressive. isn't it?
 

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I'm going to be writing something on this pretty soon using the information gathered in the sensei group. ALL SENSEIS ARE ENCOURAGED TO POST THIER OPINION IN THE THREAD PREVIOUSLY CREATED IN THE SENSEI GROUP!

this will be going into my battle academy Thread and probably the "how to" thread that Rei made
 

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I'm going to be writing something on this pretty soon using the information gathered in the sensei group. ALL SENSEIS ARE ENCOURAGED TO POST THIER OPINION IN THE THREAD PREVIOUSLY CREATED IN THE SENSEI GROUP!

this will be going into my battle academy Thread and probably the "how to" thread that Rei made
that will be great! tks sensei! :D
 

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here is the gist.

If you let someone go first, then they get the start the battle. If they start to run, then you get to react. if they make seals then you get to respond. if they pick thier nose...well... I dont know about that one, but the bottom line is that they get the first move so dont be a noob and try to interupt that first move.

example: allowable
ninja 1: throws shuriken
ninja 2: makes a shield to block or throws an intercepting shuriken

example: not allowable
ninja 1: throws a shuriken
ninja 2: places ninja 1 in genjutsu before they can throw it because they are uchiha and Uchiha R teh Haxorz LULZ -_____-
 

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here is the gist.

If you let someone go first, then they get the start the battle. If they start to run, then you get to react. if they make seals then you get to respond. if they pick thier nose...well... I dont know about that one, but the bottom line is that they get the first move so dont be a noob and try to interupt that first move.

example: allowable
ninja 1: throws shuriken
ninja 2: makes a shield to block or throws an intercepting shuriken

example: not allowable
ninja 1: throws a shuriken
ninja 2: places ninja 1 in genjutsu before they can throw it because they are uchiha and Uchiha R teh Haxorz LULZ -_____-

Agreed! Uchiha R the haxorz!!! LOLOLOLOL!!!

Ok ok...that is correct sensei, i'm my humble point of view!
 

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Yes, the rule is simply to prevent people from doing this:
Ninja one is performing handseals and starts shooting a fireball at ninja two.
Ninja two does one handseal and makes spikes erupt under ninja one before he can finish his handseals and perform the fireball.
By doing this, ninja two cancels out ninja ones whole move, even though it was Ninja one that was going to move first.
This applies to first jutsu of every move, if the opponent doesn't perform a jutsu, but instead does some other action, it applies the same way, if the opponents first thing is to jump, you cannot prevent him from jumping by doing a jutsu before he jumps up.


So the rule says, that Ninja two's first jutsu cannot finish before ninja ones first jutsu, (first jutsu means the first action of every turn).

Been similar examples in the past, where people use a technique that stops the opponent from summoning animals, whatever.

Ninja one performs Summoning technique.
Ninja two slams the ground before Ninja one, cancelling his summon.

There Ninja two breaks the time-frame rule, being that he cancelled out the opponents move, and prevented him from doing his first technique, even though he was starting first.

I hope that is very clear.

If Ninja one throws a shuriken, and then does another jutsu, the shuriken counts as his first technique, so that means that ninja two can perform some spike jutsu that makes spikes appear under ninja one as he is about to perform the "another jutsu", right after he has thrown his shuriken.

You don't have to wait till the opponent is finished doing his move, but you need to wait till he is executing it. For example, some jutsus where a ninja is shooting out a stream of fire, as long as your technique is starting to execute 0.5 seconds after his, it's valid. For example, both of the ninjas can perform the handseals at the same time, but ninja one starts shooting a stream of fire BEFORE ninja two, even if its a split second before.
 
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Here is an example

the person sends a b rank lightning jutsu and the opponent uses a b rank wind jutsu to stop it. the next turn i think its against the rule for the person to say i use a c rank fire jutsu to stop your wind letting my jutsu continue that is what i have come to a conclusion with. if im wrong quote and explain why plz
 

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Here is an example

the person sends a b rank lightning jutsu and the opponent uses a b rank wind jutsu to stop it. the next turn i think its against the rule for the person to say i use a c rank fire jutsu to stop your wind letting my jutsu continue that is what i have come to a conclusion with. if im wrong quote and explain why plz
You're wrong because that makes no sense what so ever..
First turn: B-rank lightning --> <--- B rank Wind
Next turn: B-rank lightning -> C-rank fire ---> <--B-rank Wind.

How'd the fire get ahead of the lightning? o_o
 

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You're wrong because that makes no sense what so ever..
First turn: B-rank lightning --> <--- B rank Wind
Next turn: B-rank lightning -> C-rank fire ---> <--B-rank Wind.

How'd the fire get ahead of the lightning? o_o
Its illogical mugi but some rpears fall in that mistake. The mistake of countering the counter of your enemy so that your original jutsu goes through... :|
 
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