@Beans
Yes and I've responded to that...Cannot believe sincerely. I thought they'll be post with really me just plain hating and not having any reason behind it. How can one be so fixated on these things? Shows a lot but it's only irrelevant so you can keep whining about them and showing how pained you are by "K'ing" me lmao.
-Pain de-summons the dog.
-Pain uses CST.
-Gai dies.
Or, de-summoning the dog might not even be necessary. If Deva uses CST from inside the dog...sure the dog might get splattered all over the place, but Gai dies so who cares? Lmao.
Bad strategy. Why?
- Pain cannot use space time transportation while holding this technique, unless you think CST is instant which isn't the case here. When Pain wants to use it, they all get deactivated first for him as he gathers power for it which should be clear. While that happens, the dog disappears because animal path is knocked out and Pain is exposed for a period enough for Gai to wreck him completely with his speed. Gai sees the paths getting deactivated and knows what to expect. It took some panels for him to use it after the Paths got deactivated and during that time Shima could use her summoning Jutsu and Tsunade could run towards him a little. Gai kills him..What makes this worse is I've read your post regarding you trying to keep it IC but Pain would do such in a battle field with 6.
- Not to mention during this little time, Gai jumping prowess in the 6th is high enough as seen let alone the 7th which grants him far more physical prowess..Add his turtle which can eventually push him higher as a boost, Gai can do this during the prep and release Hirudora if there an opening as he might escape the range if focused. Possible.
Doesn't matter, because when the Cerberus is de-summoned Pain uses CST and that's that. BTW you never addressed my strategy of Pain letting off the CT orb inside the Cerberus
You assume CST isn't instant...Hence the paths being deactivated first for him to gather enough power to use it. Yes because the CT point doesn't make sense to me. The Orb gets released inside Cerebus and Pain gets trapped. Normally Pain releases the Orb and its goes up and starts attracting. Now here Pain releases it inside Cerebus and it doesn't go up. Hence what does it really attract in such a battlefield that would leave Pain potentially being covered up? If he escapes the Gai catches him as it's below and not above. The rocks usually go upwards because of the position but in case of a clear location, what significance considering the potential of Pain getting trapped? Overall your strategy doesn't make sense to me.
Not to mention, again Cerebus gets deactivated when Pain wants to use this seeing how they Paths got knocked out(Animal)for CST leading to Cerebus disappearing in this case. So Gai murks him or destroys the Orb before it comes as durable. If he decides to use it while inside Cerebus, he dies seeing as he's exposed when the beast disappears while Gai kills him.
-Gai could only do this is he starts in 7G.
-Gai would only do this with full intel.
-Still not a good way to measure overall power levels.
Well, OP says 7G Gai which is something I stood on.. 7th Gated Gai=Gai in the 7th Gates. Different from Gai being able to open up to the 7th Gate which become a condition on Base Gai. Plus I've already given the fact that this is automatically irrelevant as Gai opens the Gate instantly:
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Gai could open the gates fast enough and use hiruodora before Naruto was stabbed despite being restrained. So he doesn't have to take a particular position. He could also open it while moving instantly here
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. Stop this irrelevant excuse of an argument as I don't mind whether Base or not.
Gai already and obviously has intel on the Paths despite him not being in Konoha. Clearly one thing, he was informed regarding Pain abilities. I already showed you him having intel on the paths.
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"Since we already KNOW HOW TO COUNTER THEM". He's knowledgeable on it and knows how to counter like he said.
Getting inside Cerberus is just a matter of summoning the animal, hopping on to its tongue, and the dog closes its mouth. A multitude of animals can be summoned at the same time to block LOS and there's also a bunch of other paths which can act as distractions. When has Gai ever tried to blitz an opponent right off the bat? KCM Naruto did not try to attack him when Nagato summoned, instead he attacked the Cerberus and was still fighting it some time later. So no, I don't think Gai would recklessly try to blitz before Deva lifts a finger, and even if he did, a simple Shinra Tensei at the beginning of the battle while Animal summons would be enough to give him plenty of cover. AT is too slow here as Kisame was able to execute GSB just as fast as Gai executed AT, and ST's execution is even faster.
Before you continue to assume or misinterpret things, let me come in. Manga is read from RIGHT TO LEFT, Hence Gai's AT was a reaction to Kisame's GSB
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. No argument. Gai showed how fast he with this...I don't have to read these things out:
- Against Madara when he opted to strike BSM Naruto despite Gai being in Base previously.
- Agains Juubi Madara forcing him to strike rather than evade.
When has Gai ever tried to blitz his opponent right off the bat? Ask yourself a dumb question which is when has Pain every opted to use CT from inside his summons? When has he opted to damage his other bodies considering how he summoned them out the battlefield let alone use attacks that would destroy their bodies? WHEN? SMH, Gai tried to blitz Juubi Madara right off that bat. Animal summons can't even track Gai considering his speed and size.
Terrible point because Pain must be able to react to an individual to use ST on them. He indicates such here If correct "Too slow"
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let alone someone able to surprise Madara and Gai can use feints and hit him once it misses like here
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. Either cannot react, cannot use ST.
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Why would Gai start with AT? Why would Preta try to absorb it? If Gai starts with Hirudora then Pain just starts with Shinra Tensei and repels AT. If he doesn't use Hirudora in the first 10 seconds of the battle, Pain hops inside Cerberus and continues with one of the strategies I used.
These questions. Gai wold start with AT based on intel. Just like his first move against Kisame was Asakujaku while in the 6th. In the 7th, his first move would be AT here considering I'm the one making the case for which he can win. 8G Gai's first move against Madara was Evening Elephant and in order to wipe them all like he opted against Kisame, Hirudora would be his first move here like it was the first time we saw the 7th. Don't ask me any question regarding why Gai would start with this when he has intel because I can prove to you with knowledge, one can exploit these things
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. Manga for you and that was what Naruto did knowing he'll absorb. Whereas I can show Gated Gai starting off the bat with his strongest attacks from the start. 7G Gai would do the same here and going by the Manga as Pain has 0 intel on AT and takes his normal formation, Preta tries to absorb it. The reasonable ones obviously agree.
The problem here is that you're thinking of this like a VS thread. It's a tier list. Meaning, whether Gai starts in the 7th Gate or not is irrelevant towards his power level. Meaning arguments which only work if Gai started in the 7th Gate aren't gonna hold up here when we're arguing over tier placement. But you don't think it matters if he starts in base or not, so too avoid getting into a pointless argument I'm just gonna say that in a theoretical fight against Pain he would start in base...as is normal. If you don't like me basing my reasoning around this, then just ask KG if Gai starts in 7G on this tier list.
There's no problem here. The OP can obviously reason as he types. 7th Gate Gai=Gai in the 7th Gate. Stop with this "VS" when everything here falls in the VS section. Gai being able to go up to the 7th Gate is a condition not being placed. We're talking Gai here in the 7th Gate which is known as 7th Gate Gai.
In Tiers, we have Base versions in different Tiers to their ultimate "Refer to 3T Sasuke being in a different Tier to MS Sasuke which counters this point" . Now we count things like Sasuke being able to go from Base to 3T? Because Gai opening the Gate takes no time as I showed here
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or while moving like here
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or here
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. The OP refers to versions being in a different Tier. KCM Naruto and BSM Naruto being in different ones which was what I considered when I disliked your post that made you mad
Anyways if you want to talk about Base Gai but being able to go up to the 7th, then everyone knows how irrelevant that is as I've shown it take almost 0 time for him to enter that Gate. I didn't respond to your Tier point because that wasn't necessarily my main argument which I'm not entirely interested in as it drags on too much. When people dislike your post, it isn't because of the everything you said but some major things. In this case, your reason behind their placements was what I didn't like.
