[Theory] [Thought]The Sage is the Younger Son....

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This is just a thought came up in my mind. There's not much truth to it. But can be a possibility.
[ My way of expressing my thoughts could be more like as if I'm strongly speaking the truth, so kindly understand (=D ]

My theory includes
Uzumaki connection
Younger Son
Naruto : Hokage or not
Madara's Young Body after Resurrection



Let's start with what we know already.
We all have seen the interaction between the Sage and the Bijuus.
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Also, as Obito said at the Five Kage Summit. At the deathbed, Sage divided the Juubi into nine bijuus and sealed the Juubi's body.
Also the bijuus were scattered in the world as soon as they were created.
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The Juubi's body, Gedo Mazo was summoned by Uchiha Madara when he awakened the Rinnegan. But also Nagato was cpable of summoning Gedo Mazo.
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What is necessary to control the Gedo Mazo?
The answers are :
(1)The power of both Uchihas and Senjus.
(2)Rinnegan.

Reason for (1), Obito is capable of controlling the Mazo since his half body is made of Senju cells, Also Madara without Rinnegan is capable of controlling the Mazo because he also has Senju cells.
Reason for (2), Madara is capable of controlling the Mazo because he had Rinnegan. Also Uzumaki Nagato was capable of controlling the Mazo. It can be either because he had Madara's Rinnegan or because he's from Senju lineage.

Both the answers as well as the reason has one thing common, the Senju cells.
The Senju had a clear connection with the Uchihas but the relation between the Uzumakis and the Senju as well as Uchihas and Uzumakis wasn't much clear.
Uzumakis and Senju made a pact after the establishment of Konoha with a deal, that is, Hashirama married Mito Uzumaki.
But Uchihas were a long time rivals of Senjus from the start.

Let me start my theory now....
What we have seen till now is that the story revolves around the three clans mostly more than any other clans which are also related to these clans.
Uchihas
Senjus
Uzumakis

And I came up with a theory that, Uchihas and Senjus are the real brother of same father and both are cousin brothers to the Uzumakis whose father is the Younger brother of the father of Senjus and Uchihas.
In short,
(Born with ocular prowess,Rinnegan of the Sage) Elder Son => Uchihas and Senjus
(Born with Spiritual body of the Sage) Younger Son => Uzumakis

Let's go back where Obito said about the story between the brothers and their father.
Sage asked question about the important thing to bring peace
Elder Son said Power.
Younger Son said Love.
And so, the Sage chose the Younger Son as his successor.
But then why it is believed that Sage left the Uchiha tablet for Uchihas even after he chose Younger as his successor?
The answer might be that, the one who left the tablet is Elder Son. Because he was the only who might have went through the evolution of the Sharingan or found the changes in his own Rinnegan and his son's Sharingan (Uchihas).

You will start thinking that the Senju believe in Love.
But, one of the Senju, that is, Tobirama himself noticed that the Uchihas cherished Love and the loved ones more than anyone else even the Senjus.
And the loss of that loved one awakens a power in their eyes. The Sharingan.
The evolution goes straight from the Sharingan => MS => EMS (+ Senju DNA) => Rinnegan.
Rinnegan, the ocular prowess which Sage had. As well as which the Elder Son had.

What did the Rinnegan user like Madara OR the Elder Son lacked to become equal to the Sage? The answer is The Strong spiritual body, the Uzumaki body.

You must be thinking that Senjus are the descendants of the Younger son so they have the spiritual body.
I say NO.
In the whole series we heard that about Hashirama Senju as the powerful Shinobi. Noticed? Only Hashirama was recognized as the strong. Why? Because he had Mokuton Jutsu. An ability to suppress the Bijuus chakra. Even Madara acknowledges him for being the strongest.
In other words, Hashirama was held as the strongest because of his Mokuton. He was the only one having a special ability because of which he was able to stand face to face Uchiha Madara with an EMS ability.
On the other hand, Tobirama and Tsunade were held strong because of their abilities which are common compared to the other Shinobis like Muu, Minato. Even Sakura is able to learn what Tsunade mastered. Minato learned what Tobirama invented.
So, Tobirama and Tsunade are considerd on the same level to that of other Shinobis.

But if we talk about the Uzumakis, every member of the Uzumaki had a strong spiritual body. Nagato, Mito, Kushina, Karin, Naruto everyone had something special about themselves.

Out of all the Senjus, the unique Senju was only responsible for the Uchihas to obtain the Rinnegan.


Let's talk about the Uzumakis
Uzumakis had strong chakra as well as stong life force, in short, the Spiritual body of the Younger Son.
They were master in the sealing jutsus though the techniques are little harsh.
Let's go back what Obito said.
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As Obito said, the jutsu is secretly passed down to create a JINCHUURIKI is the "SEALING JUTSU". The sage used sealing jutsu to seal the Juubi inside himself.

Now you must be thinking that the other villages also used the sealing techniques to create their own Jinchuurikis, so what is so special about the Uzumaki sealing jutsus?
Let me explain further.
The sealing jutsus used by other villages only create the Jinchuuriki by sealing the Bijuu inside the host. That's all.
But what the Uzumakis are capable of? They can got the ability to divide the Bijuu further. Just like Minato did using the Reaper Seal.
The Sage's sealing techniques were capable of separating the Juubi's body and its chakra as well as dividing the chakra into nine forms. And then sealed the Juubi with his Rinnegan technique.
Similarly, Minato used the Reaper seal which divided the Kyuubi's chakra by sealing it inside himself and then Minato sealed the remaining Kyuubi inside Naruto with the Uzumaki sealing jutsu. Isn't this similar to what Sage did at the same time? (Don't get an impression that I'm comparing Minato and Sage on the same level)
The sealing jutsus of the Uzumakis are MORE special than the sealing jutsus of the other villages.

What I want to say is that the Younger Son of the Sage got the skills of Sealing Jutsu as well as the Spiritual body.
While the Elder Son got the ocular prowess as well as the elemental skills.

Since Sage knew elemental knowledge and the secret of the God Tree, he might have created a unique ninjutsu to tackle the God Tree, means, he created MOKUTON/WOOD and Rinnegan as the means to control or defeat the Juubi/God Tree and then seal it inside himself.

If we go with this theory to some extent, many things gets clear. How?
ELDER SON
-Uchiha => Ocular prowess and Fire Element
-Senju => Mokuton (Hashirama) Water (Tobirama) and might be Earth as well.
YOUNGER SON
-Uzumaki => Sealing prowess and Stong Life force (Spiritual body)

Senju Hashirama was never shown using a sealing jutsu. Also not even Uchihas shown using the sealing jutsu.
Sealing jutsus were a part of knowledge in Sage. Where did it go? It is likely to be the Uzumakis are direct descendant of the Sage.

If we see in a logical way, the one who talked with the Bijuus when they were kids was the Younger Son of the Sage. He wasn't sage himself.
There are proofs shown in the manga but were never clear enough to think that way.
Firstly, Obito's story said to the Kages.
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Obito clearly said that the Juubi and its body was sealed inside Sage, And when the sage was close to his death, he sealed the Juubi's body as well as divided the Juubi's chakra into nine Bijuus. Those nine Bijuus were scattered around the world at the same moment when they were created.

But the flashback we saw through Kurama, it seemed that the Old man was very familiar with the Bijuus.
The Bijuus had their names, The tear that Kurama shed cannot be because of an interaction of a few moments. The Bijuus that obey that old man.
What were the final words of the Old man?
Old Man : I WON'T BE HERE MUCH LONGER. Shukaku, Matatabi, Isobu, Son Gokuu, Kokuou, Saiken, Choumei, Gyuuki, Kurama....YOU WILL ALWAYS BE TOGETHER, EVEN IF YOU ARE SEPPARATED. AND ONE DAY, YOU WILL ALL BECOME ONE...with different names...in different forms than you exist now.AND UNLIKE WHEN YOU WERE WITHIN ME, YOU WILL BE LED DOWN THE RIGHT PATH.WHEN THE TIME COMES...FOR YOU TO KNWO WHAT TRUE POWER IS...

Read the underlined words properly. The line, " Unlike when you were within me..." clearly states that the bijuus lived for a long time inside the Old man. But they were never used for any battles. The Bijuus considered the old man like their father. Kurama was more touched with the Old man.
But we know that the Sage didn't have much time to do so much for the Bijuus.
What I speculated is that, the Younger Son accepted the last request of his father of gathering the Bijuus and care for them.
Younger Son searched and found the Bijuus after roaming around the world. The Bijuus were once again sealed inside the Younger Son, but this time, they weren't combined again into Juubi's chakra. Younger Son made the seal such that the Bijuus had their individual personalities and bodies inside him.
The Younger Son became the Second Sage. The Bijuus considered the Younger Son as the SAGE or maybe the Younger Son was considered to be the Successor Sage of his father by the people around him.

About the old age of the Younger Son, it seems that the aging process of the Bijuus is very slow compared to the humans. We have seen the Bijuus currently which are still not aged enough to hold a stick and walk around. But we know how much the gap is. If we consider that the Fruit will be grown in the current story then it's been 1000 years when Kaguya ate the fruit. Sage was the second generation, Younger Son the third generation. So it's been approximately 600-700 years now. And in these years, the Bijuus grown to the current size. That surely clears that the aging process of these Bijuus is very slow. So, the Bijuus might have lived for half of Younger Son's life inside Younger Son. The YS did the parental care and at the time of his death, he asked the Bijuus to wait in the outside world for the person who will lead them on the right path.

The Younger Son might have used the Sage's outfit and his staff.
And now, the Bijuus consider Naruto as the person who will lead them to right path and let them know what the true power is. The power could be the bonds of Friendship, the Bond of Love which Naruto tried to form with the Bijuus.

Like in the past when Younger Son saved the Bijuus from the outside world's greedy nature, Naruto will be the next to lead them freely in the outside world, the next Sage.

Sadly but can be true, This can also lead to Naruto rejecting the seat of Hokage. Instead he'll be the Sage just like Younger Son, just like Jiraiya. Naruto will give the Hokage Seat to Sasuke in order to restore the pride of Uchiha Clan, the first uchiha to become the Hokage, to lead the people of Konoha to peace.
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Let's talk about Madara's youth after resurrection. Kabuto said that he made his body special than his Golden Age. But to clear the picture, I think that Orochimaru was the one who made Madara's body special.
Why Orochimaru? Why not Kabuto?
Orochimaru was the one who researched deep through Uzumakis in order to learn more about the Dead Demon Seal. Even Kabuto wasn't knowing about this.
We have seen how Uzumaki Nagato turned back to young again after he absorbed Hachibi's chakra.
Did something clicked?
Yes, the Uzumakis.
It might be possible that Orochimaru came across Uzumaki bloodlines during his research.
With his research, he added uzumaki DNA in Madara as well. Now where's the Bijuu chakra to make Madara young? The Kinkaku and Ginkaku Brothers. They both were in complete control also they had Kyuubi's chakra. Extracting the Kyuubi's chakra would be a piece of cake for Orochimaru.
Using the Kyuubi's chakra, Madara might have been turned to young once again.
SO in totality, Madara might be the true Edo Sage with Uchiha, Senju and Uzumaki DNA in him. A perfect body.

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Aren't you thinking that the FATE played a big role in the whole story?
Sage
Elder Son VS Younger Son
Birth of Uchiha Madara, Senju Hashirama and Uzumaki Mito
Uchiha Sasuke and Uzumaki Naruto.

I included Uzumaki Mito because she was the first Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi. Even if she sealed and kept the kyuubi in check she knew how the Jinchuuriki feels to be hated or ignored. That's why she filled the next Jinchuuriki with Love. The next Jinchuuriki, Uzunmaki Kushina, the one who will be giving birth to the savior of the Shinobi world.
The love from Uzumaki is strong enough to melt a rock like Kurama.
The love which Kushina got from Mito was enough to suppress Kurama's hate.
The love which Naruto got from Kushina in a single moment was enough to fight back Kurama and slowly and steadily win over Kurama's hatred.
The love which Younger Son talked about to bring peace to the world.

Sorry for this BIGAZZZ theory (=D
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this is a bit like prediction more dan theory..but however its nice though..
 

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Very very good theory bro ...
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Very very good theory bro ...
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That was long read bro, nice theory u came up with, loved it:ilu:
but most of the points you listed goes against the manga like kurama's rikudou flashback and younger son being uzumaki. .
I also thought about it, if the younger son inherited love then how come uzumaki's are shown to have feelings in terms of love? . .but then i realised what tobirama said, according to him it was uchiha's who treasured love more than senju's even though senju's ancestor himself believed in love, so we cant be sure about manga facts, because as per manga Younger son believed in love, but tobirama said it was uchihas who treasured more love than senju's and now there is Uzumaki clan which is also known as peace loving clan :yeah: . .so wat m saying is =D, while i believe it may be true that uzumaki's are the true descendants of younger son, then who are senju's? . .lol, lot of confusions. .Anyway great bro, hope kishi would shed some light on it in near future =D
 
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That was long read bro, nice theory u came up with, loved it:ilu:
but most of the points you listed goes against the manga like kurama's rikudou flashback and younger son being uzumaki. .
I also thought about it, if the younger son inherited love then how come uzumaki's are shown to have feelings in terms of love? . .but then i realised what tobirama said, according to him it was uchiha's who treasured love more than senju's even though senju's ancestor himself believed in love, so we cant be sure about manga facts, because as per manga Younger son believed in love, but tobirama said it was uchihas who treasured more love than senju's and now there is Uzumaki clan which is also known as peace loving clan :yeah: . .so wat m saying is =D, while i believe it may be true that uzumaki's are the true descendants of younger son, then who are senju's? . .lol, lot of confusions. .Anyway great bro, hope kishi would shed some light on it in near future =D

Thanks for the reading =D
Yeah, I agree with you that my theory still have many plotholes. That's why I thought that the Senjus as well as Uchihas are the sons of Elder Son.
If the two brothers of Sage can fight then why can't the two brothers of Elder Son fight? There might be some quarrels among them also. Might be that Senju also believed in the Younger son's way of peace. That also make me to think about the destruction of the Uzumaki country and the absence of Senjus. There might be a possibility that the Senjus fought to protect the Uzumakis against the UNKNOWN Villain who destroyed the Uzumaki village. And that the two Senju brothers were absent around the situation.
Man!! there are still may lose knots in the real story!!!!
 

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If u stopped using comic sans and a smaller font size i would love to read that wall of text, but its too much of a strain right now....
 

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Excellent Theory . But it does not explain why only Hashirama has wood ninjutsu (Mokuton). What is so special about the DNA of senju Hashirama?
 

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Nice theory that actually tried to clear some. Facts up but it still has some holes
 

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If u stopped using comic sans and a smaller font size i would love to read that wall of text, but its too much of a strain right now....

Here, fixed it for ya =D
Excellent Theory . But it does not explain why only Hashirama has wood ninjutsu (Mokuton). What is so special about the DNA of senju Hashirama?

Thanks =D
Maybe because Mokuton is almost close to the NATURE, the GOD TREE. As it says, that "someday, a hero will come and will save the day" similarly, Hashirama was responsible for creating the villages, a step towards peace in his own way. And his Mokuton was responsible for taming the Bijuus. His DNA is really special
Nice theory that actually tried to clear some. Facts up but it still has some holes

Yeah I agree with you that my theory still has many holes. If there is some truth in my theory or Kishi has something like this in his mind then he'll be having a clear explanation for everything.
BTW Thanks for reading =D
 

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I took my time reading, and I found a problem...

And I came up with a theory that, Uchihas and Senjus are the real brother of same father and both are cousin brothers to the Uzumakis whose father is the Younger brother of the father of Senjus and Uchihas.
In short,
(Born with ocular prowess,Rinnegan of the Sage) Elder Son => Uchihas and Senjus
(Born with Spiritual body of the Sage) Younger Son => Uzumakis

We have the sons with their abilities, yes...

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But manga explicitely states that the descendants of the Younger are the Senju, and the descendants of the Elder are the Uchiha.

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Ergo, the Uzumaki are not necesarily the true heir of the Younger Son. That place belongs to the Senju Clan.
 

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I took my time reading, and I found a problem...



We have the sons with their abilities, yes...

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But manga explicitely states that the descendants of the Younger are the Senju, and the descendants of the Elder are the Uchiha.

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Ergo, the Uzumaki are not necesarily the true heir of the Younger Son. That place belongs to the Senju Clan.


Thanks. By the way I thought it was just a possibility and I couldn't think about the mistake I made there (=D
The spiritual body <=> Sage's Body. I got confused there when you showed the scan (=D
There are flaws in my thread, because I don't have any proof. It's just a possibility, so it can be either wrong or right. who knows =D
 

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Try to re-adapt. You weren't wrong at all, but if you fix some ropes you might end with a well developed theory.
 

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Try to re-adapt. You weren't wrong at all, but if you fix some ropes you might end with a well developed theory.

I'll try afterwards, once we get some scans from the manga trying to fit into my theory =D
Thanks for the advice =D
 
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