Thnigs bothering me!

[esenn1]

Things bothering me!

Hi everybody. Watching the whole series of Naruto - before war ! - some things have come to bother me. So I share them with you and I'm sure many of you will disagree with me. But no matter, we live in a pluralistic world and everybody is free to utter his/her own comment:

1. It's so funny that although the name of the anime is "Naruto" and he's the protagonist, he has not had even one single one-to-one epic battle. The only epic fight he had was with Pain in which he lost to pain indeed. What happened after Naruto was pinned down to ground by Pain was part of the plot. I don't remember any good fight between Naruto and someone else. Yes, of course he killed Kakuzu but it was when Kakuzu had fight with Kakashi and Asuma's team. By epic fight, I mean the one between Sasuke and Deidara. You may say that Deidara detonated himself and that it wasn't Sasuke who killed him, but I believe that he had no choice to kill sasuke but to explode himself.

2. Another matter which bothers me is the useless death of Jiraya. Jiraya died in the path of sending information about Pain to Konoha. But Pain attacked the village, killed many shinobi and eradicated the village. So what was the use of Jiraya's death and the information he got? The events flow of the story made audience expect that Naruto will defeat Pain. But realistically speaking, he lost to Pain and it was the Kiubbi mode that made Pain flee, and what's more interesting is that all said that Naruto defeated Pain all by himself (WWWWTTTTTFFFFF)!!!

3. But the most important conflict in the plot of the story is this: obviously one of the most-emphasized theme of the Naruto story is that we shouldn't be devoured by revenge. All blamed Sasuke for taking the path of revenge. But when Naruto heard the news of Jiraya's death, he decided to avenge him and all the people- Tsunadei, Naruto himslef, Kakashi,... - were okay with that. So what is exactly going on here?!!! :||||

In answering my words, pleasssse use argumentation and reason to disagree or agree with me. Thanks alot

 

[Joten Uchiha]

Naruto lost to Pain but Pains dead? right guys don't waste your time reading this he's just flaming Naruto like a moron.

 

[esenn1]

I didn't get your objection, bro

 

[Unbiased King]

Naruto lost to Pain but Pains dead? right guys don't waste your time reading this he's just flaming Naruto like a moron.

Why are you taking this guy's rant and turning it into a statement?

He's just saying that although Naruto is the protagonist, he hasn't had much of those epic 1 vs 1 battles like Goku vs whoever.

EDIT: Which I agree with.

 

[Thee Beyonder]

I mean this thread is stupid your doing nothing but bashing the whole series

 

[Anakin Skywalker]

so you are a new sasuke fanboy here in base :|

 

[esenn1]

Yes, besides I wrote what was in mind. I insulted nobody. So I expect that you dears speak with tact and your argumentation not the words like moron, etc. Thanks very much

 

[esenn1]

No I'm not a Sasuke fanboy. I'm talking about sth else. Guys you got me wrong

 

[htmwall]

he had the chance to avenge jiraya but he didn't.
and about that he never won by himself i kinda of agree,kishi decided always in every shippuden fight for naruto to use the help of people,i kinda feel like he's trolling naruto,either by not using his full power(only using one clone to fight obito while he had made a dozen before)or by making a setback in his way(not being able to fuse with the toads),or by making his jutsu fail at the moment he's aout to strike(like against kakuzo)

 

[jiraiya the toad sage]

People have to get over the fact that naruto lost to pain rather than deny it

 

[esenn1]

he had the chance to avenge jiraya but he didn't.

Thanks for your argumentation. But what I'm trying to say is that first he and the people around him agreed upon avenging Jiraya. But they considered Sasuke taking revenge on Itachi as a bad and negative thing. Did u get what I'm saying, dear? I'm talking about this conflict in the plot. If revenging is good, then why Sasuke should be blamed for taking revenge on someone who has killed his clan and even his parents? and if its bad, then why Naruto should be okay with that ?

 

[FireBird Marco]

The Manga is about the Uchias, not naruto, Naruto is meant just to show how awesome and OP the uchias are.

 

[PredictionGuru]

Yo.

Nice wall of text.
But I didn't read.

Why? Because it's a wall of text.

 

[Anakin Skywalker]

Thanks for your argumentation. But what I'm trying to say is that first he and the people around him agreed upon avenging Jiraya. But they considered Sasuke taking revenge on Itachi as a bad and negative thing. Did u get what I'm saying, dear? I'm talking about this conflict in the plot. If revenging is good, then why Sasuke should be blamed for taking revenge on someone who has killed his clan and even his parents? and if its bad, then why Naruto should be okay with that ?

every one was ok with naruto avenging Jiraiya and fight pain bcos this fight will happen eventually....
jiraiya already clearly said pain/akatsuki are collecting tailed beast when he was talking with kakashi and i'm sure he also said the same to tsunade

so irrespective of whether naruto wants to avenge jman or not , pain was coming to leaf village to capture naruto
everyone in leaf village know that akatsuki/pain will come for naruto and leaf village .....so they have only 2 options

1.)let naruto train and avenge jman so that the leaf village will be safe
2.)stop naruto from the revenge path ....dont train at all.... try to talk peace with pain (i'm not sure hw this would go)


but in the case of sasuke its totally different

1.) sasuke wanted to avenge his clan and family by killing his brother itachi (this i agree with at that time)
2.) go out of the village ,abandon leaf and his comrades
3.) wanted to join and joins a well known criminal orochimaru, who was instrumental in 3rd hokage's death
4.) takes his revenge by killing his brother later to find out his bro itachi did what he did to save the leaf village
5.) joins the organisation which nearly destroyed leaf village(which itachi tried to protect even after his death) only to kill danzo and other elders who made itachi kill his clan

what naruto did at that time ok but what sasuke did is not ok smh

 

[esenn1]

1.)let naruto train and avenge jman so that the leaf village will be safe
2.)stop naruto from the revenge path ....dont train at all.... try to talk peace with pain (i'm not sure hw this would go)

Thanks bro for your reasons. Um I think it's not so much reasonable to bring training and avenging together. Yes Naruto had not choice but to train for protecting the village and defending himself against Pain not for killing him as a means of avenging

 

[esenn1]

Yo.

Nice wall of text.
But I didn't read.

Why? Because it's a wall of text.

tn.X

 

[esenn1]

The Manga is about the Uchias, not naruto, Naruto is meant just to show how awesome and OP the uchias are.

Unfortunately agree with u