This is why I hate the Uchihas

[Lightbringer]

I may not deserve rep, but you must agree with my points. I just got over agressive, because I couldn´t believe what people are saying. Obviously none of these people are leaders. Not only do they need to be able to see past their own pain, as people, in order to move forward, but they are leaders, leaders must not let personal grudges get in the way of decissions that will greater benefit their people.

lol and you know what sort of decisions leaders make? How come no country tries to make a one world government then? How come America is still in war? What about Vietnam? etc

It's all about power and resources.

There were countless times in history when personal beliefs got in the way of war. Look at both WW1 and WW2 or even the inquisition....it's not as easy as you make it out to be.

 

[The God of Wind]

Lol. This just shows that people are too different. If I was madara I wouldn't know if I'd be able to lay aside my grudge either, it's just a matter of perspective. You can't USE hashirama as an example because the world ISN'T like him. People started defecting to the senju after they LOST, and it's interesting that POWER sometimes paved the way to peace not LOVE. POWER and LOVE are necessary sometimes ans the Senju aren't all goody goody either. They have their share of blood on their hands.

Listen to reason^ please........

 

[Ryuujinn]

Did u forgot its biology.... brain juice xd u cant blame them its natural

 

[Melanee]

Uchiha have trouble with their emotions and that's been stated since the beginning. Madara let his emotions affect his choices, unlike Hashirama who used reasonable thinking. However, they do come to an agreement and until we find out how that comes about, we shouldn't jump to too many conclusions. We are only listening to Hashirama's point of view, we don't even know Madara's, only what he told Hashirama, who is now relating it to Sasuke.

 

[Sasunarufan13]

So if your friend's distant relative killed your brother would you try to kill your friend? That's some of the logic that was just implied
But more specifically Madara was upset that Hashirama's father tried to kill Izuna when his father tried to do the exact same thing to Tobirama. Which seems like a crap reason to get angry if Hashirama can control himself.

So because Hashirama acted a certain way, Madara should act like that as well? They are different people (well, characters, but you get what I mean) so of course they are going to act different to a certain situation as well.
There's no rule that states that everybody has to react the same way to a certain situation - some people are more prone to react emotional than others.

Now it's already been stated that it's because of the Uchiha's capability for great love, that it's more likely for them to fall in the trap of hatred. If they lose someone they really love a lot (like Madara loved Izuna and his other brothers), they first develop the Sharingan and then later on gain the different stages if they go further. But with the development of their Sharingan, comes the big risk of them developing their hatred. Their love turns into hatred in some cases when they really go far with their development of the Sharingan.

I'm not saying that Madara is being fair when he said Hashirama had to either kill himself or his brother so they could be even. It isn't. But to him it seemed like a good solution. Family for family or the person himself.
Plus it was a war. Neither parties are eager to give in then.
Grief makes people do and say stupid things as well.

So while Madara wasn't right in demanding Hashirama either kills himself or his brother, it's a bit understandable if one takes into account the Uchiha's history with the Sharingan and the way they seemed to have a lot of clan loyalty.

But again, I'm not agreeing with what Madara said. It just isn't completely black and white.

 

[RasenKirin]

Perhaps you should read the chapter again, think about everything you're reading and then speak about it. Because Madara betrayed no one. If anything, if he had gone with the Senju, that'd be betraying his own clan and must I remind you at that particular time he was a kid and had no say in what the Uchiha did? They would have saw Madara as a traitor and possibly in the future pitted Izuna against Madara and he would have had to kill his own brother.

 

[Machiko]

Nicely said. + rep

Now the question is what Hashirama's answer will lead to. Of course we know that he will decline his proposal, but what will Madara think of this? Did Hashirama's answer ultimately lead to Madara's insanity?

 

[Fearmonger]

So we find out in this chapter that Madara betrayed Hashirama all because the Senjus killed his Bros? What sense does that make? Madara's clan killed his little brothers in cold blood but when Hashi found out he was an Uchiha, he didn't give a crap because Madara's his friend and they were trying to work on a way to stop the endless fighting. Showing that Hashirama isn't some crybaby like Madara.

Hashirama lost ONE brother to the Uchiha, while Madara lost all but one and then lost that one even later on to the Senju.

So say your white and a black guy kills your bro. So that means you hate on the whole race?

This is true yet contradictory to your thread. You say you hate the Uchiha because of Madara, thus you hate an entire clan because of one member.

All of this fighting could have been avoided. His bro wouldn't have had to die if he had gotten over his selfish and I know it's sad to have four of your brothers die but Hashirama wasn't responsible for it.

Before Madara became head, the Uchiha's decisions were their own. They kept battling and Madara was raised in war. Peace was something he never personally experienced and war was ingrained into his head from a very young age. Besides, his brother's dying words were to not let the senju deceive him. You expect him to just ignore his beloved brother and side with the guy responsible for his death? No.

Based on his father's reaction to Madara awakening the Sharingan we know that Madara even as a kid could have solo'd his father.

What exactly does this have to do with anything? If your trying to say that Madara could've just beat the crap out of his dad and join the senju then that is faulty logic. He wouldn't kill his own father for the same reason most children don't even hit their's, which is out of respect.

Is there any sensible Uchiha? Madara let all of those children die all because of a grudge he had aganist the Senju when it wasn't even Hashirama who did it.

Yes, because Madara was responsible for the war and who the Senju sent out to fight. Besides that, since it's clear you missed out on the chapter where this is said (probably because it was primarily about Sasuke) but the Uchiha are cursed to always have an overwhelmingly prominent sense of vengeance and wrath. It's called the Uchiha's Hatred or something of the like.

 

[Naruto9001]

The sad thing in this thread is you still believe Madara killed Izuna....do yourself a favor and stop thinking what Itachi showed to Sasuke was the truth.

When did I say Madara killed Izuna? FAIL! You didn't even read the thread.

Perhaps you should read the chapter again, think about everything you're reading and then speak about it. Because Madara betrayed no one. If anything, if he had gone with the Senju, that'd be betraying his own clan and must I remind you at that particular time he was a kid and had no say in what the Uchiha did? They would have saw Madara as a traitor and possibly in the future pitted Izuna against Madara and he would have had to kill his own brother.

Madara's father was the leader iirc. So Madara could have killed his dad if he tried to get in his way and than become the leader. With him being the leader him and Hashirama could have done what they was planning to do.

Hashirama lost ONE brother to the Uchiha, while Madara lost all but one and then lost that one even later on to the Senju.

Two.* I wasn't talking about later on, I was talking about when they were kids.

This is true yet contradictory to your thread. You say you hate the Uchiha because of Madara, thus you hate an entire clan because of one member.

No I hate Sasuke, Obito and Madara and since there the main Uchihas of the story you can say I pretty much hate them all excluding Itachi, atleast.

Before Madara became head, the Uchiha's decisions were their own. They kept battling and Madara was raised in war. Peace was something he never personally experienced and war was ingrained into his head from a very young age. Besides, his brother's dying words were to not let the senju deceive him. You expect him to just ignore his beloved brother and side with the guy responsible for his death? No.

I was talking about when they were children so those brothers dying words argument is invalid.

What exactly does this have to do with anything? If your trying to say that Madara could've just beat the crap out of his dad and join the senju then that is faulty logic. He wouldn't kill his own father for the same reason most children don't even hit their's, which is out of respect.

Based on how he warned Hashirama about his father's attack we know he dosen't respect or atleast agree with him. Everyone in the Uchiha clan was weak back than a Sharingan was very rare so based on that he could have took over the spot as the Uchiha clan leader and make a peace treaty to stop the fighting and they could have built Konoha from there.



Yes, because Madara was responsible for the war and who the Senju sent out to fight. Besides that, since it's clear you missed out on the chapter where this is said (probably because it was primarily about Sasuke) but the Uchiha are cursed to always have an overwhelmingly prominent sense of vengeance and wrath. It's called the Uchiha's Hatred or something of the like. [/QUOTE]

 

[The Work]

Their emotions control their power

 

[Hori]

Uchihas are just a rotten clan as what Tobirama said, so they have been fodders to Senju from the very start

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[Fearmonger]

When did I say Madara killed Izuna? FAIL! You didn't even read the thread.




Madara's father was the leader iirc. So Madara could have killed his dad if he tried to get in his way and than become the leader. With him being the leader him and Hashirama could have done what they was planning to do.




Two.* I wasn't talking about later on, I was talking about when they were kids.

Like I said, even then, he had lost all of his brothers exept for one to the Senju, which is alot more sombering compared to Hashirama's one loss. And no, Hashi only had two brothers and he lost only one. (the monochrome haired one)



No I hate Sasuke, Obito and Madara and since there the main Uchihas of the story you can say I pretty much hate them all excluding Itachi, atleast.

So you hate an entire clan because of three members? Yeah, because that's a whole lot more than one. Seems legit.



I was talking about when they were children so those brothers dying words argument is invalid.

When they were kids Madara agreed with Hashirama and no peace offer was yet made to be denied so your previous statement was in fact invalid.



Based on how he warned Hashirama about his father's attack we know he dosen't respect or atleast agree with him. Everyone in the Uchiha clan was weak back than a Sharingan was very rare so based on that he could have took over the spot as the Uchiha clan leader and make a peace treaty to stop the fighting and they could have built Konoha from there.

And how, exactly, would he have taken his father's spot? Besides, you're making a huge assumption based solely on a facial expression. I personally saw no fear in Madara's father's expression at all.

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