This is just so sad.....

[Eustass]

I found your post really offensive towards Indians.U_U Not only India....every country have good numbers of savages.....but full of savages? that's harsh.

All the accused have been caught. And people all around the world are demanding execution. Personally, I would like them to have a severe punishment, no easy death, they need to feel the pain thousand folds. So no one from now on will dare to do such hideous acts.

My first post was meant toward the bold part. There are more savages countries out there, not only India. And I state that because that's what they want as their punishment proving they are still people who think like savages.

The second bold, that part of your post is just sad. They committed a crime, give them a punishment they deserve. To torture someone is always savages-like, no matter what the reasons are.

After reading what actually happened, I think the best punishment is life in prison with a chance of parole because from what they've been doing, they didn't care if they kill the girl and to raped her and then tortured her as well as beating her up, that's the only punishment they should get. But death sentence? Oh please. That won't teach them anything. I apologize if I offended you.

 

[Avani]

Old news, but what can I say

In some countries most of the people are still mentally undeveloped

They're asking for execution? I wouldn't expect any less from a country full of savages.

Can you two be a little less racist and bigoted?

Just rape those rapists back. Take something and stick it into their asses and let it be over with. There's no need to spend anymore money on something that won't change them.

I find this suggestion quite savage and something from stone age.

Our idea of role of administration is to make the city/country safe and let not such an incident be repeated. And that's why people are asking harsh punishments to stop these criminals from repeating it again and make others like them think again before going for such a joyride.

 

[Eustass]

Can you two be a little less racist and bigoted?

I was being racist? I apologize if my post was racist because I have no intention of being racist in any way but it's true their ideas are savages-like and if that's how they think of it then there must be many more people who think like savages in that country as well as other countries from around the world that suggested death sentence to those rapists.

I find this suggestion quite savage and something from stone age.

Our idea of role of administration is to make the city/country safe and let not such an incident be repeated. And that's why people are asking harsh punishments to stop these criminals from repeating it again and make others like them think again before going for such a joyride.

That post was meant as sarcasm to the OT ideas of punishment; "I would like them to have a severe punishment, no easy death, they need to feel the pain thousand folds." since it's severe and they'll surely remember that always. I already said that there's no need to torture them, and sticking a stick in their asses for a crime can be considered as torture.

There are more than one way to let them understand the punishment they'll receive if they ever did those kind of acts but I doubt death sentence will stop this- the same goes for any kind of punishment those stooges received since it won't affect anyone else who'll be thinking about committing these kind of crimes in the future hence I said life sentence with a chance of parole for them [due to them not caring whether they kill the girl or not as well as torturing her] so they'll learn their lesson since death sentence and torture won't teach them anything.

 

[Tsujan9484]

My first post was meant toward the bold part. There are more savages countries out there, not only India. And I state that because that's what they want as their punishment proving they are still people who think like savages.

The second bold, that part of your post is just sad. They committed a crime, give them a punishment they deserve. To torture someone is always savages-like, no matter what the reasons are.

After reading what actually happened, I think the best punishment is life in prison with a chance of parole because from what they've been doing, they didn't care if they kill the girl and to raped her and then tortured her as well as beating her up, that's the only punishment they should get. But death sentence? Oh please. That won't teach them anything. I apologize if I offended you.

Well, no matter how many times I read your earlier post. It does not resembles anything you are trying to point out now.

Fear can control people. That is all I was saying in my first post. Of course they won't be tortured like I said, like people have wanted, but all I was saying that they should get more severe punishments than just a life sentence. That way people would fear about the consequences and would not dare to do such hideous acts again.

I was being racist? I apologize if my post was racist because I have no intention of being racist in any way but it's true their ideas are savages-like and if that's how they think of it then there must be many more people who think like savages in that country as well as other countries from around the world that suggested death sentence to those rapists.



That post was meant as sarcasm to the OT ideas of punishment; "I would like them to have a severe punishment, no easy death, they need to feel the pain thousand folds." since it's severe and they'll surely remember that always. I already said that there's no need to torture them, and sticking a stick in their asses for a crime can be considered as torture.

There are more than one way to let them understand the punishment they'll receive if they ever did those kind of acts but I doubt death sentence will stop this- the same goes for any kind of punishment those stooges received since it won't affect anyone else who'll be thinking about committing these kind of crimes in the future hence I said life sentence with a chance of parole for them [due to them not caring whether they kill the girl or not as well as torturing her] so they'll learn their lesson since death sentence and torture won't teach them anything.

I said so cause I felt her pain, her family's pain....so it's natural that I hated each of them and want more severe punishments to be given. Yeah I agree no matter how severe the punishments are given to them, it won't stop people from doing such hideous acts again. But you know what, it will definitely decrease from happening such acts again. Like I said, fear can control, people.

 

[Avani]

[FO NT=Palatino Linotype]My first post was meant toward the bold part. There are more savages countries out there, not only India. And I state that because that's what they want as their punishment proving they are still people who think like savages.

Excuse me, do you really believe you improved you previous statement by this comment? Care to share which you country you belong to?

The second bold, that part of your post is just sad. They committed a crime, give them a punishment they deserve. To torture someone is always savages-like, no matter what the reasons are.

That was just a comment- an expression of emotional feelings. No one is actually going to do that since we have a procedure of law (under Criminal Procedure Code and punishment will be awarded according to Indian Penal Code) to follow so your lecture about how savage those words is not needed.

It is rather sad because the problem of the victim didn't end when the rape ended. If she survives, for she is still in critical condition" she will need an intestine transplant or she will never be able to eat a meal in her life again.

When asked her brother said that part was the most painful to bare when she asked for food and they didn't know how to tell her. She is being fed intravenously and doesn't know yet why.

What other injuries she carries, I don't even want to guess. She already has had five surgeries so far- every time to stop the infection from spreading more as sepsis had already set in.

After reading what actually happened, I think the best punishment is life in prison with a chance of parole because from what they've been doing, they didn't care if they kill the girl and to raped her and then tortured her as well as beating her up, that's the only punishment they should get. [/FONT]

She survived so far mostly by pure luck. I hope at least the charge for attempted murder is brought against the accused. The guy who lead the attack has not shown any remorse at all and tried to justify himself claiming the victim insulted him by resisting them. They literally kidnapped the couple, beat them and rape and they are the one being insulted, yeah right.

The youngest was not even 18 and will probably escape the much punishment being a minor.

But death sentence? Oh please. That won't teach them anything. I apologize if I offended you.

It is not for you to decide what laws others should have in their country or not. We allow death sentence in rarest of the rare case and right now accused should pray for the girl to survive because if she does die they will be probably charged with murder( they should be).

Teaching them should have been job of their parents and teachers when they were still in that stage of being brought up. Once you are out in the world on your own, the society expects you to behave or holds you responsible for your actions or penalties follow.

I was being racist? I apologize if my post was racist because I have no intention of being racist in any way but it's true their ideas are savages-like and if that's how they think of it then there must be many more people who think like savages in that country as well as other countries from around the world that suggested death sentence to those rapis

Yes you are still being racist and bigoted and trying to push your idea of justice- most probably influenced by your own beliefs. You can stuff your agenda against death penalty in your pocket and leave.

That post was meant as sarcasm to the OT ideas of punishment; "I would like them to have a severe punishment, no easy death, they need to feel the pain thousand folds." since it's severe and they'll surely remember that always. I already said that there's no need to torture them, and sticking a stick in their asses for a crime can be considered as torture.

There are more than one way to let them understand the punishment they'll receive if they ever did those kind of acts but I doubt death sentence will stop this- the same goes for any kind of punishment those stooges received since it won't affect anyone else who'll be thinking about committing these kind of crimes in the future hence I said life sentence with a chance of parole for them [due to them not caring whether they kill the girl or not as well as torturing her] so they'll learn their lesson since death sentence and torture won't teach them anything.

We are not discussing death penalty and your views about it are off topic. As for the rest- Read above.

 

[Eustass]

Excuse me, do you really believe you improved you previous statement by this comment? Care to share which you country you belong to?

Yes? I don't see how I didn't improve what I previously stated.
The country I belong or the country I currently at right now? Born in South Africa, raised in USA and moved to Malaysia. I'm guessing your point is whether my country have savages? South Africa, yes, more than yes. USA, lol no. Some of their actions are debatable but savages? Nope. Malaysia, yes, same as South Africa, more than yes.

That was just comment- an expression of feeling. No one is actually going to do that since we have procedure of law to follow so your lecture about how savage those words is not needed.

I never once said they will approve the death sentence unless anything else happened to her.
Regardless whether it's an expression of feelings or not, they should first understand what they're asking or hoping for.
The fact that they feel those pathetic rapist deserve death sentence already prove my point. It'd be different if they say "We hope they will receive a punishment they deserve" but death? There's nothing civilized about that no matter how you look at it.
There are many more countries out there who still act and think that way. There was no racism involve and I already apologized if it sounded like it. It's funny how everything a person says that are against a certain country is considered as racism. Put in note that there are many more races in India, not only Indians. If I were to be racist, I would've made it clearer.

It is rather sad because the problem of the victim didn't end when the rape ended. If she survives, for she is still in critical condition" she will need an intestine transplant or she will never eat a meal for her life again.

When asked her brother said that part was the most painful to bare when she asked for food and they didn't know how to tell her. She is being fed intravenously and doesn't know yet why.

What other injuries she carries, I don't even want to guess. she already has had five surgeries so far- every time to stop the infection from spreading more as sepsis had already set in.



She survived so far mostly by pure luck. I hope at least the charge for attempted murder is brought against the accused. The guy who lead the attack has not shown any remorse at all and tried to justify himself claiming the victim insulted him by resisting them. They literally kidnapped the couple, beat them and rape and they are the one being insulted, yeah right. The youngest was not even 18 and will probably escape the much punishment being a minor.

Bold part : Is that recently? Could you please provide a link because I would love to read about her development.

If they're charged with attempted murder, they would at least get 40-50 years in jail [I think] and still, that won't fit the crime. They deserve more than that for doing all that to a poor girl who have a great life ahead of her.

It is not for you to decide what laws others should have in their country or not. We allow death sentence in rarest of the rare case and right now accused should pray for the girl to survive because if she does die they will be charged with murder. Teaching them should have been job of their parents and teachers when they were still in that stage of being brought up. Once you are out in the world on your own, the society expects you to behave or holds you responsible for your actions or penalties follow.
Read above.

Yes you are still being racist and bigoted. You can stuff your agenda against death penalty in your pocket and leave.

I never once said that anything I say will decide any punishment they'll receive or what law the countries should have or not. This is the General Discussion, not Keep Your Opinion To Yourself. I state an opinion that could be discus and I already apologized if what I stated has any racism in them. If she does die then yes, death penalty should be considered but currently, there's no need for any of that except for the punishment they deserve. If you want to continue this conversation/argument/debate, could you come up with a better argument or even a tip for posting next time and how to prevent others from assuming that everything someone says against something is considered racist rather than asking someone to keep their opinion to themselves? It'd be different if this was in a different section but on a section where it's made for someone to discuss or to debate? I expect better from a moderator.

 

[Eustass]

Well, no matter how many times I read your earlier post. It does not resembles anything you are trying to point out now.

I'm sorry if it sounded like that.

Fear can control people. That is all I was saying in my first post. Of course they won't be tortured like I said, like people have wanted, but all I was saying that they should get more severe punishments than just a life sentence. That way people would fear about the consequences and would not dare to do such hideous acts again.

Could you elaborate a little on your idea of "severe punishment"?

The same goes with many more crimes out there. Fear does not control someone from committing such crimes, if fear does work then I'm curious whether all the previous punishments for the same kind of crimes stopped them or not.

I stated life sentence with a chance of parole depends on whether they learned from their mistakes or not. Instead of controlling others with fear, it's better to make them realize as well as regretting their mistakes. I don't see any chances of them regretting their mistakes because the crime itself is far beyond humanity. It's too cruel that even thinking about what the girl is feeling and how the girl will deal with what happened to her and going through years and years of trauma and therapy and how much pain their family are suffering from. But again, fear will not do a thing. It won't stop it. What I'm hoping for is learning from their mistakes so that others will learn from them so that one day this kind of crime will stop.

I said so cause I felt her pain, her family's pain....so it's natural that I hated each of them and want more severe punishments to be given. Yeah I agree no matter how severe the punishments are given to them, it won't stop people from doing such hideous acts again. But you know what, it will definitely decrease from happening such acts again. Like I said, fear can control, people.

I felt the pain of her and her family but I don't think those rapists deserve to be tortured. Maybe everyone have their own opinion on how they should be treated and I'm sorry for pointing out that your statement about torturing them is sad. I was wrong when I said that.

Fear won't stop a thing, no matter how much you look at it.

 

[Avani]

Yes? I don't see how I didn't improve what I previously stated.
The country I belong or the country I currently at right now? Born in South Africa, raised in USA and moved to Malaysia. I'm guessing your point is whether my country have savages? South Africa, yes, more than yes. USA, lol no. Some of their actions are debatable but savages? Nope. Malaysia, yes, same as South Africa, more than yes.

A rape case or people asking culprits to be punished harshly makes India Savage and but not USA while it is still among top countries for crimes against women( domestic violence as well as rapes) and several cases of shooting school kids and parents killing their own kids despite all the facilitates of being one of the developed nations ? Their actions are only debatable but others are savages?

Your definition of savage is pretty subjective and self suiting.

I never once said they will approve the death sentence unless anything else happened to her.
Regardless whether it's an expression of feelings or not, they should first understand what they're asking or hoping for.
The fact that they feel those pathetic rapist deserve death sentence already prove my point. It'd be different if they say "We hope they will receive a punishment they deserve" but death? There's nothing civilized about that no matter how you look at it.
There are many more countries out there who still act and think that way. There was no racism involve and I already apologized if it sounded like it. It's funny how everything a person says that are against a certain country is considered as racism. Put in note that there are many more races in India, not only Indians. If I were to be racist, I would've made it clearer.

According to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,

the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

You meant to class the whole country as something beneath your standard based on their demand of death penalty.

Bold part : Is that recently? Could you please provide a link because I would love to read about her development.

"Love" to read... You can always Google it.

If they're charged with attempted murder, they would at least get 40-50 years in jail [I think] and still, that won't fit the crime. They deserve more than that for doing all that to a poor girl who have a great life ahead of her.

Prison for life for murder means maximum 20 years in India and most culprits come out in 7 years to 3-4 years at times. A rape culprit can escape with just one month.

You never asked or tried to find about her condition or tried to understand why people felt so agitated. She was thrown out of bus on the road with only 5% of intestine remaining inside her. The doctors say she had been hit with a metal rod at least 45 times along with other injuries. Animals won't be this much cruel. I couldn't find the age of the driver but rest of the guys were between 17 to 21 years of age. In a few years they will be out even if punished and anyone who believes such people learn any real lesson in jail is living in utopia. Most of the time they just learn how to avoid being caught next time.

Comments on internet mean nothing as these are just means of expressing anger at the over all law and order situation. More and more women are joining work force today and they have to to remain outside till 8 to 8:30 PM in routine. People want to be safe and feel angry because of the severity of it as much as the increasing number of such crimes in general.

Are some people over reacting -yes. Do we need to take proper actions to avoid such a thing being repeated- yes. Are harsher punishments and swift actions needed? yes. Does it make the whole nation savage? NO. The culprits were arrested and will be dealt according to the law of the nation.

I never once said that anything I say will decide any punishment they'll receive or what law the countries should have or not. This is the General Discussion, not Keep Your Opinion To Yourself. I state an opinion that could be discus and I already apologized if what I stated has any racism in them. If she does die then yes, death penalty should be considered but currently, there's no need for any of that except for the punishment they deserve. If you want to continue this conversation/argument/debate, could you come up with a better argument or even a tip for posting next time and how to prevent others from assuming that everything someone says against something is considered racist rather than asking someone to keep their opinion to themselves? It'd be different if this was in a different section but on a section where it's made for someone to discuss or to debate? I expect better from a moderator.

I asked you to keep your opinion about the death penalty and related comments being it off topic. You are free to make a thread and discuss how savage people are for asking for harsh punishments for such heinous crimes and raging over it but please do not turn this thread about your opinions.

It is really annoying and disrespectful to draw the attention away from the rape victim to other random people and throwing insults at the whole country.

 

[Lightbringer]

shit happens everyday.....it's harsh I know, but at least she's still alive.

When you think about it rape just hurts one's dignity, well I guess physically also depending how bad one's hit and such.

The most we can really do is just be prepared for these situations and overcome/move past them once they occur.

 

[theRPGdude]

well thats life

Are you content with that life?

This world is getting worse every day. I wish I can stop reading discouraging news like this. News and media don't help anything in this world. People now have no sense of affection towards others it sicking. I really am not looking forward to the future.

Everyday people are suffering. And there's practically nothing we can do. How can someone dont this? Do have the mindset of an animal? It's just...you can't explain it with words it's unthinkable...

Almost like the increase in security! Is this world safer? Hahahahaha nope.

 

[Tsujan9484]

I am just so sad right now , the girl died after undergoing treatment in Singapore. RIP. Your death did not go in vein...you gave courage to the world to fight against rape. You will always be remembered.

P.S I saw her photo on facebook, I really want those criminals to be burnt...burnt alive....Please make them suffer million folds.

 

[YowYan]

They're asking for execution? I wouldn't expect any less from a country full of savages.
Just rape those rapists back. Take something and stick it into their asses and let it be over with. There's no need to spend anymore money on something that won't change them.

Was that ignorant comment of yours really necessary? Savages hm..