[Theory] This caused the Massacre.

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Uchiha Madara challenged Senju Hashirama for the Title of the Hokage.

Uchiha Madara lost = But mysteriously survived.


Second Hokage created Konoha Police Force = In order to keep an eye on Uchiha Members.

After some time = Second died in Battle.

New Hokage in Konoha = Hiruzen Sarutobi.


I think , that Uchihas noticed the change in village "obviously".

It could be possible , that Uchihas where now on demanding the new Hokage "Hiruzen Sarutobi" to give them place in Village Politics or a higher postition in the goverment.


Hiruzen as a Rookie Hokage , most likely gave Uchihas higher authorities.


Danzo in the "root" , most likely noticed the Change in the village System.

And wanted to act against it.


Now it could be highly possible , that Danzo found the location of "Tobi - AKA Uchiha Madara @ that time" .

Then the project = Kyuubi attack and Uchiha Massacre where devised and put into action.


Two Reasons now appear.



Danzo wanted to remove Uchihas from the Goverment = Since they are capable of taking controll over Konoha = MS , EMS , Izanagi , Izanami , And high level Genjutsus = KA , Tsukiyomi.


Tobi wanted revenge on Konoha and the Uchiha + the Nine Tails = for Tsuki No Me Project and the Death of 4th Hokage.



@ the night of the Kyuubis attack = most likely a ceremony of some sort was held (intentionaly created) = So all Uchihas where missing = Very hard to locate and identify the attacker on the Leaf = Tobi.


Kyuubis attack , and the death of Kushina Uzumaki ,Minato Namikaze (the fourth hokage) and the village Shinobi.

Created mistrust in the Uchiha Clan = Since only Uchihas are able to controll the 9 tails as their puppet VIA Genjutsu = Proof for that Uchiha Madara vs Hashirama Senju.


New Host for the nine tails = Naruto Uzumaki = was most likely guarded 24/7 by Anbu and the Root = by the Direct Command of Hiruzen and the Elders.

So Recapture was most likely impossible = even for Akatsuki level Shinobi.



Second Step = Uchiha Massacre.



Even without Itachis presence = The Massacre would have happened = Stated by Danzo = But they needed to create a S- Rank Criminal = to avoid problems and contradictions within the village.


Itachi found Tobi = AKA Uchiha Madara.


Itachi sayed , that he will help Tobi to wipe out the Uchiha clan = If Tobi lets Sasuke Uchiha live = Itachi did not know , that Tobi had future plans for Sasuke Uchiha = but for safety measures after hes defeat , Itachi planted Amaterasu in Sasukes eyes = to kill Tobi = But It failed.


The Reason why Tobi Needed for the massacre to take place was because = Uchihas can oppose "Project Tsuki No Me" VIA their DOJUTSU.

Not even Uchihas dont want the Juubis Revival.


Uchiha Leaders where aware , that the massacre would happen = but they didnt know when it will happen.


As a safety measure Sasuke was kept alive = Since Itachi believed , that Sasuke will come after him , and Punish him for hes crimes = and Become a superior Konoha Shinobi and Surpass every other Uchiha who ever lived and create peace within the Ninja world = Same future dream as Minato Namikaze and Kushina had about their son Naruto Uzumaki = to become a Hokage and protect the village and defeat Tobi and become Perfect host for Kurama.



The Uchihas where cornered by the actions of "Tobi" = They knew , that the attacker was from Uchiha Clan = but they had no leads to hes real identity.


If Uchihas where to capture Tobi and Put him under Trial = Then The Massacre would have never happened in the first place.




A secret meeting was held @ the Uchiha Sanctuary = Uchiha Shisui and Uchiha Itachi where not present @ the time.


Danzo managed to steal one of Shisuis Eye = Since it was the strongest eye within the Uchiha Clan.

Shisui tried to regain Uchihas place within the Goverment To make Danzo give himself in @ a Trial in Konoha.

Shisui failed = Since Danzo had some counter measures for Shisuis KA Genjutsu.

The Counter measure was most likely Tobi = who was able to counter the Genjutsu = Since he has a Genjutsu of a similar nature (that one that controlled Yagura the 4th Mizukage).


@ this point Itachi awakened MS = Since hes friend jumped of a cliff and died = Emotional stress.


Tobi found out , that Itachi awakened a MS = now he had a private reason for the Uhiha Massacre = if Itachi becomes S-rank criminal = He can use hes MS skills within Akatsuki to capture the other Bjuu.



The only mysterious link over here = is Sasuke and Orochimaru.


Orochimaru had also a private interest in Sasuke and Itachi(originaly).


Danzo , most likely could have make claims , that the "masked man" is within Uchiha Clan and turn the sides between Uchiha and Konohas Goverment.


Hiruzen Sarutobi knew = that All of this was a lie = devised by "Masked Man" and "Danzo".

But Danzo and the other Elders = Where manipulated by "Masked Man".

Uchiha Clan was manipulated by the "Masked Man".

Tobi could have threatened the Uchiha Clan = That The Akatsuki Organisation has a Rinnegan user with godlike powers = To taunt the Uchiha and manipulate them = for the Uchiha Take over.


Uchihas most likely feared the Rinnegan User = Since it's the highest level of the noble Dojutsus.




Any Opinions?
 

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Actually believe it or not Uchiha Madara is the root for the cause of the Uchiha massacre.

I think its time for people to remember why exactly the Uchiha clan tried to plan a revolution and the cause of their ultimate downfall. Their greatest powerful leader, Madara Uchiha, who led them through countless battles, ironically also led to their downfall.

His ideals about revolting during the first foundings of Konoha was the seed to all of this because he thought the Senju were intent on wiping out the Uchiha. Happens when you have an arrogant, power lust and paranoid leader. Albeit the fact that this story was told by Tobi, it doesnt change the fact that Madara did indeed fought Hashirama.
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So Tobirama had to manage a way in order to keep the Uchihas in check.
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Now some of you may find it that its not enitrely fair that an entire race had to get punished by one guys ideals and actions. But the Uchiha clan were not entirely doing themselves any favours by the following reasons:

- Succumbing into the ideals of Madara as they noticed that they were being kept in check and decided to plan a revolution.
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- Uchiha clans absence from the attack of the Fox didnt also exactly helped and ease the tension amongst villagers.


Eventually, Fugaku and other Uchihas would plan a revolution. They were willing to risk a civil war as well as possibly a Shinobi world war (Shisui was sure of this). It couldnt also have been avoided, it seemed the Uchiha were determined to start a revolution as shown through Itachi's parents.
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Obviously Tobi would have an important part in all of this but we fully dont know the details regarding his past connection so far. He may have manipulated the Uchiha elders, who knows? U_U
 
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i think too much is happening. if naruto were an anime like code geass then this would have been possible. but way to think overboard. i personally prefer this than all the others i read.
 
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Omg, Aze, you amaze me... never have thought at that... But it's a logical explanation, could be. +rep

le: have to spread it around heh...
 
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Nice thread. Double Rep ;)
 
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Ino's clan is more of a threat than the Uchiha. With those mind transfer thing, they could take over and manipulate the Daimyos.

Nonetheless, this is one good theory, not to mention a good reading material. However, I'm standing firm to the this theory:

Operation Wipe out the Uchiha Clan must be carried out in the fear that they might collaborate with Tobi. Let's not forget blood is also thicker than beer.
 
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Fairly ok theory but Tobi isn't the architect of the massacre(he's but a participant), so let's call the real architects the upper branch of Konoha's politics (elders, kage, root).

Now for whatever reason they wanted Uchiha out; be it that they learned of the Uchiha rebellion.. or was the Uchiha rebellion a result of bad politics? Doubt the Uchiha were aware of the massacre.

So far I havn't really been able to confirm a proper answer and I think that's what Sasuke is after aswel.



Secondly, that's one god aweful way to type man. Try not to use "=" so much in the future.
 

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Ino's clan is more of a threat than the Uchiha. With those mind transfer thing, they could take over and manipulate the Daimyos.

Good Point actualy , but Inos clan wont be easily manipulated most likely , since they are more involved in the goverment than Uchihas I think.


Nonetheless, this is one good theory, not to mention a good reading material. However, I'm standing firm to the this theory:


Thanks :)

Operation Wipe out the Uchiha Clan must be carried out in the fear that they might collaborate with Tobi. Let's not forget blood is also thicker than beer.

Village elders where aware , that the "masked man" attacked the leaf , So "Uchihas" where prime suspects.






Fairly ok theory but Tobi isn't the architect of the massacre(he's but a participant), so let's call the real architects the upper branch of Konoha's politics (elders, kage, root).


@ this time Tobi was pulling the strings on both sides.


Now for whatever reason they wanted Uchiha out; be it that they learned of the Uchiha rebellion.. or was the Uchiha rebellion a result of bad politics? Doubt the Uchiha were aware of the massacre.

Uchiha must have been aware , that something was different.

So far I havn't really been able to confirm a proper answer and I think that's what Sasuke is after aswel.


Sasuke is thinking beyond Itachi @ this point = Sasuke wants to know things , that Itachi did not know.



Secondly, that's one god aweful way to type man. Try not to use "=" so much in the future.

Wat doesnt kill you makes you "stranger" :JokerFace: :D



I hope this sums it up^^.
 

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only problem with this is that the 9 tails attacked way before the uchiha massacre. i think 5 years before the uchiha massacre. this whole theory is flaud.
 

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only problem with this is that the 9 tails attacked way before the uchiha massacre. i think 5 years before the uchiha massacre. this whole theory is flaud.



Did you even read?

I stated , that the 2 seperate events are related = And they share the same mastermind = Tobi who manipulated Danzo and Itachi and The Elders.

Please read again.

 

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you have gone into details - - - - a well revised theory my man
 
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Actually believe it or not Uchiha Madara is the root for the cause of the Uchiha massacre.

In reference to your 'as time went on, the Senju came to control everything'

So who were the Senju? The only one spoken of and live today is Tsunade and she never had any high level authority at that time - she went off the map when Dan and Nawaki died.
Danzo also had some Senju genes. I think Danzo is the Senju they are talking about here and he really screwed things up for the Uchicha!
 

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In reference to your 'as time went on, the Senju came to control everything'

So who were the Senju? The only one spoken of and live today is Tsunade and she never had any high level authority at that time - she went off the map when Dan and Nawaki died.
Danzo also had some Senju genes. I think Danzo is the Senju they are talking about here and he really screwed things up for the Uchicha!



Danzo was not a Senju by lineage.


But he did possesed Senju DNA ( VIA Experiments ).
 

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Possible. I like this theory and your ideas, although you made it hard to follow at certain times. I had to reread it a couple times to fully understand it, but +rep for your work!
 
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