Third Kazekage vs Minato

[Beans2]

The Third Kazekage was hailed to be the

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by far, before Gaara showed us his Part 2 feats anyway. However, by feats the Fourth Kazekage surpasses the third by the sheer

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of his gold dust techniques. We only saw iron sand feats from the 3rd Kazekage when Sasori used him, but the amount of iron sand he was able to store inside his puppet body is not that much. Logically a full power Kazekage can

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iron sand and use it on a much larger scale. So in this thread, the Third Kazekage can create as much iron sand as the fourth Kazekage can create gold dust.

Location- Alliance vs Edo Kages

Intel- Kazekage knows about Minato's teleportation. Minato knows iron sand uses magnet release.

Distance- 40 meters

Restrictions- RDS

 

[Gold Lightning]

Guess that makes sasori the strongest of them all.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Minato wins low mid difficulty.
He summons Ma & Pa, does the amphibian technique to go SM, then Sends Nukite right back @ the third right?

Edit: Lol disregard. I could have swore that said raikage

OP: Minato most likely blitzes

 

[Apêx1]

What a baseless thread full of assumptions. "By feats" doesn't change what was already stated. 3rd Kazekage>5th Kazekgae>4th Kazekage.
Sasori's pool of Iron Sand dwarfing Sasori's body terribly;

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[UchiGod Itachi]

Guess that makes sasori the strongest of them all.

No not really ever one has to take a loss sooner or later we seen Hashirama take on EMS Madara + Kurama at the sametime, Hashirama died in war can we say the ninja who killed Hashirama is stronger than Madara? So times it's a good match up against someone you have to put intel, surrounding ,location , strategy into play.

 

[Gold Lightning]

No not really ever one has to take a loss sooner or later we seen Hashirama take on EMS Madara + Kurama at the sametime, Hashirama died in war can we say the ninja who killed Hashirama is stronger than Madara? So times it's a good match up against someone you have to put intel, surrounding ,location , strategy into play.

Third raikage also died in war, fighting 10,000. He was stringer than all of those 10,000 individually of course, but fighting that many people for 3 days straight would obviously be too much for even him. Hashriama might have been in the same boat.

As far as i know, sasori didnt bring an army to kill the 3rd kazekage

 

[KCN]

Honestly that really depends. How does the Sandaime use his Iron sand? Because if he uses it like Sasori, Minato would fuck him up. If he uses it like Gaara (unlikely because Gaara's sand is not nearly as dense, heavy and and is in a much cruder state allowing for more flexibility), then things get a little more tricky. The Sandaime's reaction would also play a massive part in determining a victor or the difficulty of a battle, especially when up against a speed reliant Minato. Due to lack of feats, I'm going with Minato.

 

[Apêx1]

Third raikage also died in war, fighting 10,000. He was stringer than all of those 10,000 individually of course, but fighting that many people for 3 days straight would obviously be too much for even him. Hashriama might have been in the same boat.

As far as i know, sasori didnt bring an army to kill the 3rd kazekage

Depends if you consider his 200+ human puppets at the time an 'army'.

 

[Beans2]

What a baseless thread full of assumptions. "By feats" doesn't change what was already stated. 3rd Kazekage>5th Kazekgae>4th Kazekage.
Sasori's pool of Iron Sand dwarfing Sasori's body terribly;

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Lay off the horse tranquilizer if you think 3rd Kazekage>5th Kazekage with only the feats he displayed while a puppet for Sasori. Obviously a prime Third Kazekage can conjure up much more iron sand than what he did against Chiyo and Sakura, otherwise even the Fourth Kazekage can beat him based off feats. And the 3rd was stated to be the strongest by FAR, in a time when both the 3rd and 4th were already dead.

The fact that even puppet Kazekage can create more iron sand than is stored within him doesn't change that his puppet self was not his full power.

 

[Beans2]

Honestly that really depends. How does the Sandaime use his Iron sand? Because if he uses it like Sasori, Minato would fuck him up. If he uses it like Gaara (unlikely because Gaara's sand is not nearly as dense, heavy and and is in a much cruder state allowing for more flexibility), then things get a little more tricky. The Sandaime's reaction would also play a massive part in determining a victor or the difficulty of a battle, especially when up against a speed reliant Minato. Due to lack of feats, I'm going with Minato.

Iron sand is not nearly as fast as Gaara's sand but I would not say it's less flexible. Databook says it can be transformed into any shape.

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Advantages the Kazekage has in this fight:

-Can magnetize Minato's FTG kunais and use them against him. In essence, Kazekage can attack Minato with his own kunais when Minato teleports to one

-He can direct all the kunais into one spot, essentially controlling where Minato teleports to

-He can even grind up the metal kunais and turn them into sand, which he then mixes into his own iron sand

-If Minato places a marking anywhere on the sand, the Kazekage disperses the grains of sand where the marking was placed, effectively destroying the marking.

-Kazekage is capable of flight and can keep his distance

-Iron sand spear and hammer method can easily kill off toad summons.

 

[PT1990]

Lay off the horse tranquilizer if you think 3rd Kazekage>5th Kazekage with only the feats he displayed while a puppet for Sasori. Obviously a prime Third Kazekage can conjure up much more iron sand than what he did against Chiyo and Sakura, otherwise even the Fourth Kazekage can beat him based off feats. And the 3rd was stated to be the strongest by FAR, in a time when both the 3rd and 4th were already dead.

The fact that even puppet Kazekage can create more iron sand than is stored within him doesn't change that his puppet self was not his full power.

Actually, human puppet is just as strong as shinobi it was made of, it was clearly stated in manga. Its just that Sasori was playing with them most of the time. IS World Law was pretty much the only "more" serious attack he performed with this puppet.

 

[Beans2]

Actually, human puppet is just as strong as shinobi it was made of, it was clearly stated in manga. Its just that Sasori was playing with them most of the time. IS World Law was pretty much the only "more" serious attack he performed with this puppet.

When was it stated in the manga?

 

[PT1990]

When was it stated in the manga?

Chiyo said that human puppet has whole chakra and all techniques of shinobi it was made off.

 

[KCN]

Iron sand is not nearly as fast as Gaara's sand but I would not say it's less flexible. Databook says it can be transformed into any shape.

Spoiler

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Advantages the Kazekage has in this fight:

-Can magnetize Minato's FTG kunais and use them against him. In essence, Kazekage can attack Minato with his own kunais when Minato teleports to one

-He can direct all the kunais into one spot, essentially controlling where Minato teleports to

-He can even grind up the metal kunais and turn them into sand, which he then mixes into his own iron sand

-If Minato places a marking anywhere on the sand, the Kazekage disperses the grains of sand where the marking was placed, effectively destroying the marking.

-Kazekage is capable of flight and can keep his distance

-Iron sand spear and hammer method can easily kill off toad summons.

By flexibility, I mean maintaining a versatile construct using great speed and controlling it at different angles like this [

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]. It seems that with Iron sand, the attacks are fired and can only be refired once the initial attack has finished because the attack involves great speed in the first place. Iron sand can change shapes, sure, but it's not nearly as effective as Gaara's.

- Assuming he can react to Minato's sudden appearance, as Minato can potentially be teleporting to around 50 different Kunai. For me to believe you, you must show me his reaction feats, which don't exist, hence my initial statement.

- For the Sandaime to even magnetize a weapon, he must touch them first.

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Baring in mind Minato has shown great flexibility fighting with one Kunai in his hand (Obito and Ay), he can very well avoid contact with the Sandaime's sand and make use of Hiraishin's radius to penetrate the sand's vision block.

- Above. Not to mention Minato can use clones which effectively double or triple his potential with Hiraishin.

- FCD send him packing and kills him.

- Or they're redirected by S/T barrier, though I'll admit Minato can keep that up forever and they're most likely to get caught.

 

[Draegod]

What a baseless thread full of assumptions. "By feats" doesn't change what was already stated. 3rd Kazekage>5th Kazekgae>4th Kazekage.
Sasori's pool of Iron Sand dwarfing Sasori's body terribly;

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Lmao you beat me to it bro! They are so clueless it's funny. Even when gaara was him he was still considered weak to the 3rd, but ppl on this site like to ignor manga facts. And then they ignor manga feats if him controlling more sand then he can store and can move it effortlessly at that. Sasori was simply a bad example of his powers because it was puppet controlled and such.

 

[Draegod]

By flexibility, I mean maintaining a versatile construct using great speed and controlling it at different angles like this [

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]. It seems that with Iron sand, the attacks are fired and can only be refired once the initial attack has finished because the attack involves great speed in the first place. Iron sand can change shapes, sure, but it's not nearly as effective as Gaara's.

- Assuming he can react to Minato's sudden appearance, as Minato can potentially be teleporting to around 50 different Kunai. For me to believe you, you must show me his reaction feats, which don't exist, hence my initial statement.

- For the Sandaime to even magnetize a weapon, he must touch them first.

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Baring in mind Minato has shown great flexibility fighting with one Kunai in his hand (Obito and Ay), he can very well avoid contact with the Sandaime's sand and make use of Hiraishin's radius to penetrate the sand's vision block.

- Above. Not to mention Minato can use clones which effectively double or triple his potential with Hiraishin.

- FCD send him packing and kills him.

- Or they're redirected by S/T barrier, though I'll admit Minato can keep that up forever and they're most likely to get caught.

Incorrect any and all metal or steel is at his command stated by Chiyo herself and the databook (manga and Kishi). What you posted was a far weaker magnet element user from the cloud having needed touch first. You essentially tried to twist the manga. Lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato probably wins.

 

[blazekev90]

Minato wins.

The Third Kagekage is no Garra, especially with that little puddle of sand.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Depends if you consider his 200+ human puppets at the time an 'army'.

I don't remember the details. Did he use 200 puppets?

Even then, unless 3rd kaz got ambushed I don't believe his iron sand should have any issue wiping out that many puppets, when chiyo and sakura coped with 100. He is the strongest kazekage after all.

 

[Apêx1]

I don't remember the details. Did he use 200 puppets?

Even then, unless 3rd kaz got ambushed I don't believe his iron sand should have any issue wiping out that many puppets, when chiyo and sakura coped with 100. He is the strongest kazekage after all.

He didn't necessarily use them, I'm just saying that he has access to 297 without the Kazekage, and the only 2 Human puppets he's shown in the manga are Hiruko and the Kazekage. I can only imagine how powerful he would be while controlling an army of a 100 human puppets who all have special abilities (Sasori states he only chooses ones with something special about them, he doesn't care about quantity). I'm not saying I know how powerful they are, since they weren't ever shown, but I am saying that he has about a 98% chance that his puppets in general can use every element and do some special things (KKG most likely, super speed/strength/genjutsu/etc.) Can't really give him those feats, but I am saying that if somebody were to fight his 100 human puppets, they'd have an almost impossible chance of winning given the numbers present, and the fact that in many cases it's a 1 hit KO.

Also, no, he was not ambushed [

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] [

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]. Sasori states that the Kazekage was his favourite puppet because he was the hardest to obtain. DB also states that he 'struggled' to obtain him, meaning it wasn't a simple thing. Don't know why everyone argues this when all the evidence points against it. And BTW, I hope you realise the puppets he used against Chiyo and Sakura were not human puppets, but regular puppets.