Thinking Kakashi can take itachi or sasuke (with logic, reason and evidence)

[shelke]

Maybe you need to read the fact I posted, and reconsider?

 

[meatsworth1]

itachi already beat kakashi without lifting a finger if they had a second fight it would be no differant kakashi had his MS before that fight and he still got distroyed

 

[Mrmojo8484]

And still compared to itachi his chakra reserves are garbage and he himself admits this in there first fight in part one where he got owned. Looks like u need to rethink some things.

Kakashi greatly improved since part 1. Did itachi increase his chakra reserves?

 

[kamizon]

kakashi would destroy sasuke easily but itachi just hand his ass out to him. akatsuki is made up of only S-class shinobi. Kakashis is A-class.
just in case: i think Sasuke was added to akatsuki cos he had jugo sui and karin.

 

[HadouKage]

Kakashi greatly improved since part 1. Did itachi increase his chakra reserves?

Does Itachi have Amateratsu? Face facts man, Sasuke and Itachi both own Kakashi, not to say he wouldn't put up a fight but he'd lose

 

[true enigma]

Kakashi greatly improved since part 1. Did itachi increase his chakra reserves?

U really dont have much to defend kakashi with bro just give it up... sorry. Hes strong but not on the level. He fainted wen awakening his eye while itachi killed an elite clan and they were both teens.

This two just arent in the same boat. Atleast the thread got some attention though, seems like to me thats what it was for.

 

[HadouKage]

Lol this ^

 

[pantelis2006]

Kakashi greatly improved since part 1. Did itachi increase his chakra reserves?

He was very young, 21 years old. I dont see any reason why not.
I insist, the fight will not be long. Just chakra reserves will not judge the outcome of the battle. Kamui wont work against Amaterasu. Wont work against Sussano'o. Moreover, Kakashi is not an uchiha, using the sharingan will tire him. So, Itachi is not the only one with chakra problems.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

And still compared to itachi his chakra reserves are garbage and he himself admits this in there first fight in part one where he got owned. Looks like u need to rethink some things.

Part 1? Lmao....dude im going to end you....part 2 kakashi >>>>>>>>part 1 kakashi.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

U really dont have much to defend kakashi with bro just give it up... sorry. Hes strong but not on the level. He fainted wen awakening his eye while itachi killed an elite clan and they were both teens.

This two just arent in the same boat. Atleast the thread got some attention though, seems like to me thats what it was for.

Watch how I end you....

Name 5 strong Uchiha that were there at the time....?

He had help from Tobi...no izuna....no shisui....no madara.....that clan is full of fodder outside those 6. That isn't an impressive feat dude.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

He was very young, 21 years old. I dont see any reason why not.
I insist, the fight will not be long. Just chakra reserves will not judge the outcome of the battle. Kamui wont work against Amaterasu. Wont work against Sussano'o. Moreover, Kakashi is not an uchiha, using the sharingan will tire him. So, Itachi is not the only one with chakra problems.

Itachis eyesight is also fading...something kakashi knows and definitely will take advantage of.

 

[HadouKage]

Watch how I end you....

Name 5 strong Uchiha that were there at the time....?

He had help from Tobi...no izuna....no shisui....no madara.....that clan is full of fodder outside those 6. That isn't an impressive feat dude.

And Kakashi had help from Obito even getting sharingan? What does this prove?

 

[pantelis2006]

Part 1? Lmao....dude im going to end you....part 2 kakashi >>>>>>>>part 1 kakashi.

Kakashi part 2 is obviously better than Kakashi part 1, but you are missing the point here. Kakashi is barely standing on his feet after using Kamui. You think Kamui is the solution to anything, but it doesnt work that way. It cannot cancel Amaterasu, it cannot absorb Sussano'o. You used the words "logic, reason and (most importantly) evidence" in your initial post. Once again, where have you seen the S-rank jutsus you are refering to? Where have you seen Kamui absorbing such enormous objects? I am starting to believe that you are seeking for attention and create intense arguments. End of discussion.

Itachis eyesight is also fading...something kakashi knows and definitely will take advantage of.

You are speaking generally again.
Itachi with fading sharingan beat the crap out of Sasuke. He could have killed him many times. Your comment?

 

[Mrmojo8484]

kakashi would destroy sasuke easily but itachi just hand his ass out to him. akatsuki is made up of only S-class shinobi. Kakashis is A-class.
just in case: i think Sasuke was added to akatsuki cos he had jugo sui and karin.

Lol....the fact that you said kakashi is an A class ninja....you just commuted narutobase suicide. That's exactly why he is in every villages bingo book and they are ordered to kill him on sight right? That's why pain and itachi have him his due right? That's why he almost soloed the mazo right?

 

[shelke]

Are you avoiding my post on purpose? Because it pretty much refutes all your claims. If you start a discussion, you should look at everyone's arguments. You are talking about the same arguments I have already declared false. Come on man. Kakashi has no chance here.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Are you avoiding my post on purpose? Because it pretty much refutes all your claims. If you start a discussion, you should look at everyone's arguments. You are talking about the same arguments I have already declared false. Come on man. Kakashi has no chance here.

What was your question?

 

[HadouKage]

Guess this thread has reached an end =/

 

[Microsword57]

Im just goin to post this again because it was obviously disregarded even though you ask for us to provide proof to back up out positions.

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In Sasuke's case it was shown that Kakashi do not possess the speed feats to avoid the Susanoo Arrow. His "only option was to warp it with the Mangekyou." Sasuke could potentially use a consistent amount of Susanoo Arrows and in this case Kakashi being a Non-Uchiha has the disadvantage using Mangekyou attacks. While Sasuke using the EMS can use Mangekyou techs with less of a tole than a regular Uchiha with Mangekyou who would still have less of a tole on themselves performing such techs. Kakashi in this situation is locked in a Mangekyou battle until he dies.

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I see that their are people with the notion that Kakashi could cause a diversion using his clones. The Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan gives the user the ability to see through clones. This conclusion can be made clearly based off Madara, a full developed Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan user's words here:

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He states that with his eye techniques he could see through Hashirama's Wood clones which are derived from shadow clones but are twice as complex requiring 2 Nature Transformations. It is a known fact that Madara obtained the Rinnegan after his battle with Hashirama and only possessed Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.

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Sasuke puts up a better battle for Kakashi than Itachi. I have no clue why people are claiming Kakashi can beat Sasuke but "Might" beat Itachi. In my opinion he can not beat either yet.

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While it is capable to Kamui the flames of Amaterasu I do not see it happening.
The flames of Amaterasu ignite on where the User is focusing his eyes.
Therefore I do not see Kakashi having the speed to catch the Flames as soon as they Ignite. If the flames are already on Kakashi I see no way for him to Kamui the flames without causing enormous self injury since his Kamui is different than Obito in terms of use.

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[RasenUchihaChaos]

I think we all need a cup of warm or cold tea and

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Relax with some Zen because some of u are really Raging against each other Inner Peace Inner Peace

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[shelke]

It wasn't a question, but a whole post to counter your arguments.

While you bring compelling points, I can't Kakashi winning against either one of them. kakashi has three major disadvantages:

- Low Stamina.
- Low Chakra reserves, and
- He will never be able to fully harness the power of Sharingen. It's beyond his ability by default.

Kamui is not the answer to everything.

1: During his encounter with Sasuke, he was barely able to avoid the arrow with Kamui:

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And the over-usage kills him. It also doesn't help his case that Sasuke can spam arrows even more so than Iatchi given that EMS poses no stress on the body for creating sussano and using amatersu:

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- Painful erection of sussano. Sasuke mentions that his whole being was in pain. In EMS form, he erects a level four Sussano without any pain at all:

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and uses Amatersu with ease.

It means that he can utilize all abilities of MS without any stress factor and much less chakra consumption. Kakashi on the other hand would be able to use Kamiu 3, maybe four times tops as during pein fight the second time killed him. While he has improved since then, I can't see him over-using this ability as he will still end up using more Chakra as he's not an Uchiha.

2: While Itachi has lower stamina than kakashi, his Chakra reserves are obviously higher, as it is a know fact that the uchiha clan have a very high Chakra reserve:

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Which means both Itachi and Sasuke can over-use their blood-line abilities with ease and with better chara consumption due to the DNA factor and having natural, higher chakra reserves. Sasuke also has a much much better stamina than Kakashi and he seems more resilient as well.

3: He cannot Kamui a level four sussano with Sasuke or even the one Itachi uses because it is too big. Gazo head by comparison is much much smaller, and not to mention he wanted to take out its neck first.

4: Then we have amatersu. It's instant and goes where ever the eye goes. It burns through Chakra as well. I can't see how Kakashi will dodge this when Raikage had to resort to body flicker rather than raw speed to dodge and barely managed by only a few centimeter.

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Kakashi is just not fast enough to dodge this.

Then comes the intelligence factor as well. All three people are extremely intelligent. So there is no edge to anyone's analytical abilities here. It all boils down to how they use their stamina, chakra, abilities etc. I am sorry, but EMS Sasuke just...destroys Kakashi, and Itachi does it with ease as well.