They are not Equal, don't be afraid to say it

[ChocolateVanilla]

this thread is still going..

there is nothing to discuss.


naruto current feats consist of using PNJ to create an eyeball and using PNJ to save guy would should have died.

Yet his fanbase thinks that is supieror next to, sasuke fodderizing jubbi jin/ charka tree madara in 1 manga chapter.


it all makes sense now

Sasuke's current feats show him using PNJ to slice Madara in half despite him being the Juubi Jin.
Your arguments are horribly biased.

 

[King Of Pop]

Using this logic, I suppose Kiba is superior to the first Raikage, since the Raikage has not shown any feats.

Fail, we have seen absolutely nothing of the first raikage, we don't even know how he fights or his powers or who he is whereas we have seen some glimpses of naruto and sasuke in action. Fail comparison is fail.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Fail, we have seen absolutely nothing of the first raikage, we don't even know how he fights or his powers or who he is whereas we have seen some glimpses of naruto and sasuke in action. Fail comparison is fail.

Lets compare Kiba to Izuna Uchiha then, well whats your counter to that Monsieur Smartass?

 

[King Of Pop]

Lets compare Kiba to Izuna Uchiha then, well whats your counter to that Monsieur Smartass?

We've seen nothing from izuna but the mere fact that he had Ms already puts him above the likes of kiba. We've seen what the power of Ms does for an uchiha so dunno what you are trying to accomplish with that comparison.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

We've seen nothing from izuna but the mere fact that he had Ms already puts him above the likes of kiba. We've seen what the power of Ms does for an uchiha so dunno what you are trying to accomplish with that comparison.

We've seen Izuna fight in a flashback with Tobirama. You are saying by feats, Sasuke beats Naruto. By this logic, Kiba beats Izuna, end of story.

 

[Magi]

Sasuke solo's

 

[Touken]

yes

stand up and fight for injustice and inequality

speak up!

!!

 

[HakuraMinato]

Im laughing my ass off at this thread...my sides hurt, in the end of the series, if there is going to be a fight between Naruto and Sasuke, One, I doubt it'll be to the death, two, they probably wont have Chakara after the god tree is killed and three, looking at it from a Writers Stand point the way Kishimoto has built up Naruto, there is no way hes going to let Naruto Die, and if he does, then the majority of the fanbase [of the series, not just of naruto] will probably be pissed.

 

[Eggs Aisle]

Sasuke's current feats show him using PNJ to slice Madara in half despite him being the Juubi Jin.
Your arguments are horribly biased.

trolling at its finest.

how is using chidori pnj.

troll bait blocked

 

[Ricardo]

Naruto = Sasuke.
Kishi>You.
Deal with it.

 

[Aya San]

Naruto uses gudou-damas like this.

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This nullifies any chance of teleportation blitzes since it's an omni-directional shield that has insane tanking feats. (Juubi TBBs didn't even crack it)

This nullifies nothing, black Chidori Eisō would cut through it without any problem. Doesn't matter if it's "omni-directional" or not, Sasuke aims at it and cuts it down normally would still work. Don't bring the Jūbidama in here since they weren't senjutsu empowered and thus got nullified.

Naruto then proceeds to move away and possibly use gudou-dama projectiles to move away out of Sasuke's range, which isn't that impressive at all.

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1. You're underestimating Sasuke's range way too much, this is post Shinju Madara speed we're taking about, do you know how fast he is? He's faster than everyone bar current Naruto and Sasuke, meaning faster the Jūbito, BSM Naruto, etc. He got a good few seconds off before he got out of Sasuke's range, if you do the math it would be pretty far away, totally not "isn't impressive" like you stated. Besides, nothing stops Sasuke from jumping twice if it's a bit out of range, it's out of range for one jump not two.

2. You're assuming Naruto engulfed in Gudōdama would be able to get distance from Sasuke. Gudōdama itself is not faster than Sasuke, in fact, it is far from getting close to Sasuke's speed. It is impossible for him to get distance from Sasuke like this. His normal speed let him catch up to Madara, albeit the latter stopped when he got Kakashi's eye and implanted it, still fast nonetheless.

3. Naruto engulfed in this would mean he wouldn't be able to see the outside and locate where Sasuke is. A clueless Naruto gets chopped down by black Chidori.

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Then, Naruto uses a stronger version(because he clearly now has more power than previously used) of sage art: lava style: ransenshuriken.

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It cut down the entire holy tree, which is so big, it dwarfed Obito's barrier.

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Simply put, the expansion of ransenshuriken is clearly far beyond the radius of Sasuke's teleportation, meaning Sasuke's doomed to be badly burned.

Naruto does not know where Sasuke is while being inside Gudōdama, and he would have to put the shield down to form the Yōton: Rasenshuriken, creating even more openings for Sasuke, as forming the Rasenshuriken takes time.

The Rasenshuriken can also be easily evaded as seen when Naruto standing still and Gai lying there weren't affected by it. But first he had to connect the throw first to expand, which isn't happening.​

I think they're equals, but I'm making it clear that Sasuke's not ahead going by logical applications of powers. It's not like Sasuke's been shown to be leagues above.

He is.

 

[Mikasa Hagaromo]

We won't legitimately know who's the strongest until their final battle. Throughout the series we've seen their race toward power and they've been ahead of each other at different points. Now that they've presumably reached the pinnacle of their power, if they fight we'll find out once and for all.

That said, even if Sasuke is stronger than Naruto it doesn't matter. The point of the story isn't about power and strength but empathy and cooperation.

 

[Zen Uchiha]

I never was. Sasuke stomps Naruto low diff now.

Low diff lmao wow such hate but still the hate is not strong enough

 

[Sennin of Logic]

This nullifies nothing, black Chidori Eisō would cut through it without any problem. Doesn't matter if it's "omni-directional" or not, Sasuke aims at it and cuts it down normally would still work. Don't bring the Jūbidama in here since they weren't senjutsu empowered and thus got nullified.



1. You're underestimating Sasuke's range way too much, this is post Shinju Madara speed we're taking about, do you know how fast he is? He's faster than everyone bar current Naruto and Sasuke, meaning faster the Jūbito, BSM Naruto, etc. He got a good few seconds off before he got out of Sasuke's range, if you do the math it would be pretty far away, totally not "isn't impressive" like you stated. Besides, nothing stops Sasuke from jumping twice if it's a bit out of range, it's out of range for one jump not two.

2. You're assuming Naruto engulfed in Gudōdama would be able to get distance from Sasuke. Gudōdama itself is not faster than Sasuke, in fact, it is far from getting close to Sasuke's speed. It is impossible for him to get distance from Sasuke like this. His normal speed let him catch up to Madara, albeit the latter stopped when he got Kakashi's eye and implanted it, still fast nonetheless.

3. Naruto engulfed in this would mean he wouldn't be able to see the outside and locate where Sasuke is. A clueless Naruto gets chopped down by black Chidori.



Naruto does not know where Sasuke is while being inside Gudōdama, and he would have to put the shield down to form the Yōton: Rasenshuriken, creating even more openings for Sasuke, as forming the Rasenshuriken takes time.

The Rasenshuriken can also be easily evaded as seen when Naruto standing still and Gai lying there weren't affected by it. But first he had to connect the throw first to expand, which isn't happening.​

He is.

Incorrect on so many levels.


First off, um, no, he's not cutting through it. Nothing suggest he has the capabilities of doing that. These aren't rods, but multiple orbs fusing their power. And yes, the juubidamas are a valid argument even though you don't like it. TBBs obviously came from the the juubi.

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Juubi's power is natural energy, which is why senjutsu isn't turned to nothing. Therefore, Juubi jins cannot nullify their own attacks. This was a sraight-up tanking feat. Also, Madara refers to the juubi's power as senjutsu, further solidifying my point.

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Need I say more? The concept that the juubi deletes his own attacks is fallacious.


1. I don't think so, regardless, it's obviously not the area of the holy tree.


2. Gudou-damas when separated from user<Sasuke. However, when connected, their speed perfectly matches the juubi jin.

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3. Forget negative emotion sensing and such? Or here's a thought, he peaks an opening for an instant. This isn't paper we're talking about lol. This is way too durable for Sasuke to get rid of in one go. lol


There's some validity to this, but regardless, he can just spam ranged attacks to make it an even fight.



Sorry, Sasuke's not better by feats. Sasuke=speed via teleportation, Naruto=power and durability far superior. :bye:

 

[the entire forum]

lol....bashing thread ...backfired

 

[Jimihendrix]

He was not forced to close it? What nonsense is this? What proof do you have of it? Him closing it as a precaution doesn't mean he was forced to. You just pulled that out of your ass. Lel naruto sensing, is that why when sasuke made his move naaruto was as shocked as madara lel so much for sensing.

it's pretty apparent that naruto's sensing works automatically in the presence of danger. Naruto has no clue to control this [yet]. Naruto's sensing will allow him to evade any attack sasuke throws at him. Sasuke isn't getting past jubbi leveled clones of Naruto. If he has no limiters on the numbers of clones, then he may as well create an infinite amount seeing as his chakra is most certainly infinite. Naruto beats him anyday of the week, mr fanboy. I'm just looking at it with a leveled head. I don't think you are.

 

[TrollKing]

it's pretty apparent that naruto's sensing works automatically in the presence of danger. Naruto has no clue to control this [yet]. Naruto's sensing will allow him to evade any attack sasuke throws at him. Sasuke isn't getting past jubbi leveled clones of Naruto. If he has no limiters on the numbers of clones, then he may as well create an infinite amount seeing as his chakra is most certainly infinite. Naruto beats him anyday of the week, mr fanboy. I'm just looking at it with a leveled head. I don't think you are.

Sm got that shet too, yet got shet by many. That is not instant. The upgrade made it sharper like his speed but its still not instant like you said. You forgot or you don't seem to know sasuke is at least jubi level as well. And naruto making 1000 clones doesn't mean he making 1000 jubi(more like the 1000 fodder jubissss that even sakura can solo 100 of those with one hit at least, base on manga )

 

[Vsoul3]

Why and how does sasuke even have fans or fanboys? I can't begin to understand why anyone likes Sasuke character.

 

[Aya San]

First off, um, no, he's not cutting through it. Nothing suggest he has the capabilities of doing that. These aren't rods, but multiple orbs fusing their power. And yes, the juubidamas are a valid argument even though you don't like it. TBBs obviously came from the the juubi.

It's not like his black chidori cut through post Shinju-Madara like butter while a Shinju busting Rasenshuriken couldn't do it to a weaker version of Madara or anything. They're not "fusing power", more orbs are being used simply to get enough material for a bigger shield. Those orbs were blasted by a few Oodama rasengans ffs, black chidori slices through it.

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Juubi's power is natural energy, which is why senjutsu isn't turned to nothing. Therefore, Juubi jins cannot nullify their own attacks. This was a sraight-up tanking feat. Also, Madara refers to the juubi's power as senjutsu, further solidifying my point.

Natural energy =/= senjutsu. Inexperienced Naruto could draw in natural energy but could he turn it into senjutsu?

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Need I say more? The concept that the juubi deletes his own attacks is fallacious.

Kishi introduced the concept of senjutsu being able to damage Jin and Gudoudama after the Damas were fired off, if the thing were senjutsu it wouldn't be such a new concept. Juubi natural energy can be turned into senjutsu if the user is skilled enough to mold it with physical and spiritual energy, nothing suggests the beast without any brain is able to do that.

It's not Juubi that deletes it own attacks, it's Gudoudama.

1. I don't think so, regardless, it's obviously not the area of the holy tree.

2. Gudou-damas when separated from user<Sasuke. However, when connected, their speed perfectly matches the juubi jin.

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3. Forget negative emotion sensing and such? Or here's a thought, he peaks an opening for an instant. This isn't paper we're talking about lol. This is way too durable for Sasuke to get rid of in one go. lol

1. I never said it was, but it's not a small area either, now address that, "I don't think so" doesn't cut it.

2. You're saying Naruto makes them into an orb and hides inside, so obviously they're disconnected and use their own speed. Don't see what you said have any relevancy to your previous point.

3. He didn't even know what was going on when Sasuke utilized Rinnegan and only spotted Sasuke once he spoke out loud to Madara Lol, he isn't reacting to it. Hiding in that ball isn't helping Naruto, nor is pulling out rasenshuriken fast enough

There's some validity to this, but regardless, he can just spam ranged attacks to make it an even fight.

"You made good points, but I'm just gonna ignore it and stick to my point without any counter and evidences to back it up" is what you're saying right now Lol

Sorry, Sasuke's not better by feats. Sasuke=speed via teleportation, Naruto=power and durability far superior. :bye:

Sasuke = better footspeed and teleportation, along with cutting attack above that of Naruto :bye:

 

[Minator93]

Nice going this thread