[Discussion] They are "Both" holding back, Yet, The fight is still interesting.

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So just browsing through the forums today, I've noticed alot of fans, still blindly being fans, and fanboying their favorite character. Naruto is holding back, if he wasn't, this fight would be over. I've even read post of people so delusional they actually believe that naruto is currently in BSM, and hes been nerfed to match sasuke STR. The list goes on, but I just wanted to take time out and point out some things for the uneducated, and the less comprehensive fans we have on the base.

I just wanted to cover a few points and discuss what I liked, and disliked about today's chapter, overall, truth be told I actually enjoyed it. But even in this first chapter there is still a lot of plot going on in both characters favor. At the start of the fight one can assume Sasuke used a basic Fire Ball Jutsu and not Amaterasu why is that? Amaterasu completely shits on any version of Katon one can produce. So why did sasuke use an empowered katon? It's simple, "He's holding back" this was made blatantly obvious from the start.

Now, its obvious to anybody with the slightest bit of intelligence if sasuke was to of used "Amaterasu" off back, naruto would of been done in, correct? now before you guys start shouting "horse shit" or "he can dodge Amaterasu", "Block it" w/e the case might be, lets put people theories into consideration here. "Theoretically" naruto should be capable of sensing Amaterasu, dodging it, or feinting it with a shadow clone correct? But, if you pay attention, naruto did not go into Rikudo Mode until he witnessed sasuke Katon. Thus, if sasuke would of used Amaterasu off back, its pretty safe to assume naruto would of been burned alive. Now anybody that is going to sit up and tell me that "Base Naruto" would of still sensed Amaterasu coming, activated Rikudo mode, and then still had time to react to it, don't even bother responding to this thread, keep the fanfiction somewhere else. Fact of the matter still stands, Naruto cannot sense Amaterasu without minimum SM activated, and even if he can dodge it, it wouldn't be dodged by anything less than BM I dare say BSM. Plot #1
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Plot #2 I'd like to discuss was when Sasuke charged Naruto with his PS, and Naruto shot 3 Goudama's at him? where did they go? did they vanish? WTF? Sasuke or atleast his susanoo should of been completely obliterated by those balls? or am I wrong? Wasn't it stated that anything those balls touch just gets erased? although, Naruto did kick one with his foot... So i guess it makes sense, even a litte, but still, where the hell did they go? where they blocked? rendered ineffective? or just disappeared, even naruto was suprised to see Sasuke susanoo still charging full speed ahead.
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Lastly, I was kind of disappointed to witness Naruto bijuu avatar the same size as Sasuke's PS? DF? honestly, I could of sworn sasuke V4 legged susanoo was the same height as Naruto Bijuu avatar? Lol
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So what's the deal? since when does naruto Bijuu avatar get bigger depending on the amount of chakra one has? or is sasuke PS the same size as his V4 legged susanoo? which is it...., because we all know for a fact, Madara's PS dwarfs Full Kurama? so that was kinda silly if you ask me, maybe Kishi made it as big as sasuke PS so it would match it, that's the only explanation I can come up with.
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Other than that, all in all I really enjoyed the chapter. I wanted to point out the fact that I was glad to see Sasuke ST>Kaguya Space time portal. So many people was stating how godly fast Naruto was because he was able to dodge it, and sasuke got caught. Trying to differentiate the speed feats of the two..... but this chapter proved that even though Naruto was able to sense Sasuke's ST, he's not fast enough to dodge it, he had to block it and got smacked. So Sasuke ST>Kaguya Space Time portal YEAHH BOY! :p
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Pretty beast chapter though guys, what are your thoughts? I was impressed naruto could react to ST "honestly, didn't think he could" and I loved the PS Chidori to counter TBB.... that shit was hard, you have to admit. I feel that both characters are holding back because compared to what we know they can do, and the things they have yet to show us they can do we've seen....


Sasuke
-Susanoo Arrow
-Perfect Susanoo
-Katon Fire ball
-Black Chidori
-Susanoo Chidori
-ST
- Some Taijutsu

Naruto
-Rikudo Mode
-Chakra Arms
-Goudama's
-Bijuu Avatar
-TBB
-Some Taijutsu

They both are clearly holding back and feeling each other out, Sasuke stated "Is that all you've got" , has time to chill and talk... and told him "if he doesn't go all out, he will die" to me, that is implying that not only is naruto holding back, but also sasuke is not serious himself. With that said, I can't wait to see these guys get serious and really go at it.
 

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Sasuke is not serious purely because of the reason hes not using his Rinnegan path techniques.. other than that,he is actually going at Naruto with the intent to kill

while this is happening Naruto is easing off on the defensive while just using enough power to counter Sasukes offense.
 

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Even so, we shall consider Sasuke IS currently using a Rinnegan Tech that is not teleportation, but... people are unconsciously ignoring it.

...How do you think Sasuke is holding the beasts right now?

Interesting point to take in account, huh? :)
 

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Even so, we shall consider Sasuke IS currently using a Rinnegan Tech that is not teleportation, but... people are unconsciously ignoring it.

...How do you think Sasuke is holding the beasts right now?

Interesting point to take in account, huh? :)
Both are holding back

once Sasuke gets serious,he will start using his Rinnegan..then Naruto will pull out his Avatar mode and Sasuke will equip his rinnegan abilities to his susanoo to fight on par
 

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When did Killing intent=Holding back? lol​
Well, I just don't see it Kotori, like I know sasuke said he wanted to erase sasuke.... but i just don't see the killing intent from him like he showed against Danzou you know? His facial expression are passive, he's warning naruto if he doesn't get serious he will die? its like *****... if you trying to kill him, wtf is the point on chilling back, and explaning to him "Hey buddy you know, if you don't want to die, get serious so to speak" you know? it just seems off, and he shot a fire ball at him? killing intent? ....
i cant believe you wrote that much to state the blaitently obvious. c'mon son
You right, you right, my nig.... just bored, i have 88 posts, i almost never post :p thought I throw in a little something somethiing..
 

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Both are holding back

once Sasuke gets serious,he will start using his Rinnegan..then Naruto will pull out his Avatar mode and Sasuke will equip his rinnegan abilities to his susanoo to fight on par
Yet my point is rather simple. When Sasuke starts using his powers at their fullest, he won't be able to release their full potential, because he is currently using his Rinnegan to hold the beasts, just as Naruto won't be able to use all the beasts power at their fullest because they are sealed inside Sasuke's CT.

This will be an interesting fight.
 

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Even so, we shall consider Sasuke IS currently using a Rinnegan Tech that is not teleportation, but... people are unconsciously ignoring it.

...How do you think Sasuke is holding the beasts right now?

Interesting point to take in account, huh? :)
Hiru !!!!! that is so true!, in bold, I never thought about that.... not to **** ride sasuke, dont get me wrong, but is it possible that whilst he is battling with naruto, he also has the slightest focus on keeping the bijuu contained? hmmm...
 

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How about instead of putting so much ****ing thought into it just wait for the ****ing fight to end first now why don't you get off your computer and go do somthing productive and if I sound mean I apoligize Ive had a real bad ****ing day!!!!!!!
 

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well sasuke is going out why would he use the other rinnegan techs he probably wants to conserve chakra or something or they don't work on Naruto since he probably could counter them
 

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How about instead of putting so much ****ing thought into it just wait for the ****ing fight to end first now why don't you get off your computer and go do somthing productive and if I sound mean I apoligize Ive had a real bad ****ing day!!!!!!!
Well, you are the legendary super saiyen brolly bruh!!!! he does have anger issues HAHAHA!!!!!
 

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Hiru !!!!! that is so true!, in bold, I never thought about that.... not to **** ride sasuke, dont get me wrong, but is it possible that whilst he is battling with naruto, he also has the slightest focus on keeping the bijuu contained? hmmm...
This stroke me, really. If Sasuke knew that Naruto could use the beasts to kill him in self defense, he had to seal them. But at the same time, Sasuke need focus to keep them concealed.

Sasuke's decision to seal them only increased the chance of both sides to survive. It is quite contradictory to his own "killing intent".
 

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Even so, we shall consider Sasuke IS currently using a Rinnegan Tech that is not teleportation, but... people are unconsciously ignoring it.

...How do you think Sasuke is holding the beasts right now?

Interesting point to take in account, huh? :)
So what you are basically saying is, sasuke is using chakra to hold off the bijuu while fighting naruto.
 

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So what you are basically saying is, sasuke is using chakra to hold off the bijuu while fighting naruto.
Exactly. This is an adventage and a disadventage, simultaneously. Sasuke is using both chakra and focus so beasts won't attack him. I wonder which kind of consequences will this have in his performance against Naruto.
 
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Well, I just don't see it Kotori, like I know sasuke said he wanted to erase sasuke.... but i just don't see the killing intent from him like he showed against Danzou you know? His facial expression are passive, he's warning naruto if he doesn't get serious he will die? its like *****... if you trying to kill him, wtf is the point on chilling back, and explaning to him "Hey buddy you know, if you don't want to die, get serious so to speak" you know? it just seems off, and he shot a fire ball at him? killing intent? ....


You right, you right, my nig.... just bored, i have 88 posts, i almost never post :p thought I throw in a little something somethiing..
then i retract my statement , good on you
 

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to be fair, the fact naruto didn't start off in RSM is kind of plot thing. he should have already been in it from the start. but you can't really say sasuke is holding back, i don't believe he is. just because he hasn't used all his techs yet, does not equal holding back. remember the fight literally just started. naruto is holding back because he really hasn't tried to do really to much. he has mostly just been on the defensive, reacting to sasuke's attacks. you could argue that sasuke was able to maybe hit naruto with the chidori, i think he dodged it but it doesn't matter that much either way, but he was able to catch naruto because he used the fire ball as a distraction. had he did what kaguya did and just used his s/t jutsu naruto would have probably reacted faster to it.

naruto shot his gudo dama at sasuke's susano arrow.
 
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