(TheTailedSage) Mei VS Kakazu (zexion333)

[TheTailedSage]

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[Nibi Yugito Nii]

Who are the judges mei wins

 

[TheTailedSage]

Who are the judges mei wins

No judges yet and please give a valid reason why she wins

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kakuzu takes this.

Because of extra lives benefits him.
Having all 5 basic elements benefits him to counter all of her elements.
Mei cannot take not one hit from any of Kakuzu's elemental bazookas

 

[Penguin]

Kakazu can take this, relatively easy.

 

[Zexion~]

Alright


First Ill Post Kakuzu On the Defensive

Meis Boil Release .. I will counter her strongest jutsu first ..

Boil release could be counter'd by kakuzu in multiple ways the first is kakuzu is underated in terms of his speed ..

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Shown when he went from lying on the ground to slaming kakashi through trees in the matter of seconds . Or when he Speed Blitzed Chouji (dont go saying anyone can blitz chouji ) Because even shikamaru couldnt see it coming .. His feats of dodging are also Shown .When he was able to dodge shadow Stitching Fairly easily. So i believe Dodging The boil release would be No Problem for kakuzu seeing how Karin Was Able To Dodge it .

If dodging the boil release fails . It hasnt shown that it could even melt kakuzu's Earth Spear which the data book says is as hard as diamond .. which if true means lava would not be able to melt it .. seeing as it most likely was an exageration .. it still hasnt shown feats for it being able to melt it ...

Meis Corrosive Acid

Meis Corrosive acid could be countered Fairly Easily With Kakuz's Massive Wind Style Jutsu. Rivaling a natural disaster could easily blow her mist away..

Meis Water Dragon. .

I have heard that meis Water Dragon was especially strong for one ... but i have found out recently that she uses the same jutsu as zabuza did so it is not Stronger then the average water Dragon. If Not Dodged .. Water<Earth So It would deffenently Not be able to Pierce his Earth Spear ... Or He could Just Simply Melt It

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Now To Put kakuzu on the offensive i will just put it into one Broad Summary

Offense

Unlike kakuzu mei has shown no particular feats of dodging . and Her only defensive Jutsu is Water Encampment Pillar Which If not Evaporated By Wind+Fire Culd Be Pierced By the Threads Of EARTH Grunge Fear She could not just simply Dodge Due to their Quickness

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Before She Could Even use the jutsu She would Be in the process of being bombarded by Different Jutsu . from different directions. While Having to avoid (which is hard) or tank 3 massive Jutsu ( Searing Migraine , False Darkness, And Pressure Damage..) I watch English Dubb

XD If i missed anything of mei's or a weakness of kakuzu's Destroy me with it lol ( try not to insult each other as well that always annoys me when people are rude during debates)

*edit He would Evaporate the Water dragon not melt it lol wow

 

[Zexion~]

Also they shouldnt give reasons why one or the other wins... lol theyd be giving ideas to one of us..

 

[TheTailedSage]

Kakuzu takes this.

Because of extra lives benefits him.
Having all 5 basic elements benefits him to counter all of her elements.
Mei cannot take not one hit from any of Kakuzu's elemental bazookas

Lava takes out fire,water, earth, Maaaaaybe lightning but lets stick to common knowledge

He has no counter for mist technique alongside her melting mist wave which melted sasukes rib cage. My guess is if its melting that it stands a good chance of melting kaka's tendril skin

@zexion333 Makes it more the harder for me >

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lava takes out fire,water, earth, Maaaaaybe lightning but lets stick to common knowledge
Tell that (underline) to Kisame . Remember Kakuzu can merge/mix elemental so it doesn't cancel out an advantage element

He has no counter for mist technique alongside her melting mist wave which melted sasukes rib cage.
Depending on location. It is useless outside. Other than that the counter is Wind release. Wind blows it away.

My guess is if its melting that it stands a good chance of melting kaka's tendril skin
Melting effects will be a problem for Kakuzu

@zexion333 Makes it more the harder for me >

I don't want to interfere so last post until the end of debate

 

[Nibi Yugito Nii]

Alright


First Ill Post Kakuzu On the Defensive

Meis Boil Release .. I will counter her strongest jutsu first ..

Boil release could be counter'd by kakuzu in multiple ways the first is kakuzu is underated in terms of his speed ..

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Shown when he went from lying on the ground to slaming kakashi through trees in the matter of seconds . Or when he Speed Blitzed Chouji (dont go saying anyone can blitz chouji ) Because even shikamaru couldnt see it coming .. His feats of dodging are also Shown .When he was able to dodge shadow Stitching Fairly easily. So i believe Dodging The boil release would be No Problem for kakuzu seeing how Karin Was Able To Dodge it .

If dodging the boil release fails . It hasnt shown that it could even melt kakuzu's Earth Spear which the data book says is as hard as diamond .. which if true means lava would not be able to melt it .. seeing as it most likely was an exageration .. it still hasnt shown feats for it being able to melt it ...

Meis Corrosive Acid

Meis Corrosive acid could be countered Fairly Easily With Kakuz's Massive Wind Style Jutsu. Rivaling a natural disaster could easily blow her mist away..

Meis Water Dragon. .

I have heard that meis Water Dragon was especially strong for one ... but i have found out recently that she uses the same jutsu as zabuza did so it is not Stronger then the average water Dragon. If Not Dodged .. Water<Earth So It would deffenently Not be able to Pierce his Earth Spear ... Or He could Just Simply Melt It

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Now To Put kakuzu on the offensive i will just put it into one Broad Summary

Offense

Unlike kakuzu mei has shown no particular feats of dodging . and Her only defensive Jutsu is Water Encampment Pillar Which If not Evaporated By Wind+Fire Culd Be Pierced By the Threads Of EARTH Grunge Fear She could not just simply Dodge Due to their Quickness

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Before She Could Even use the jutsu She would Be in the process of being bombarded by Different Jutsu . from different directions. While Having to avoid (which is hard) or tank 3 massive Jutsu ( Searing Migraine , False Darkness, And Pressure Damage..) I watch English Dubb

XD If i missed anything of mei's or a weakness of kakuzu's Destroy me with it lol ( try not to insult each other as well that always annoys me when people are rude during debates)

futton is counter by fire acid mist has fire in it fire beats futton or mei can use a katon he have to counter to lava

 

[Zexion~]

Lava takes out fire,water, earth, Maaaaaybe lightning but lets stick to common knowledge

He has no counter for mist technique alongside her melting mist wave which melted sasukes rib cage. My guess is if its melting that it stands a good chance of melting kaka's tendril skin

@zexion333 Makes it more the harder for me >

Just another thing for you to ponder yes it would melt kakuzu but it takes time not too much but enough for kakuzu to let of a wind style his quickest elemental power Jutsu

 

[Zexion~]

futton is counter by fire acid mist has fire in it fire beats futton or mei can use a katon he have to counter to lava

Please i am not debating with you

 

[Obito3631]

lol really?

mei low diff

 

[TheTailedSage]

Alright


First Ill Post Kakuzu On the Defensive

Meis Boil Release .. I will counter her strongest jutsu first ..

Boil release could be counter'd by kakuzu in multiple ways the first is kakuzu is underated in terms of his speed ..

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Shown when he went from lying on the ground to slaming kakashi through trees in the matter of seconds . Or when he Speed Blitzed Chouji (dont go saying anyone can blitz chouji ) Because even shikamaru couldnt see it coming .. His feats of dodging are also Shown .When he was able to dodge shadow Stitching Fairly easily. So i believe Dodging The boil release would be No Problem for kakuzu seeing how Karin Was Able To Dodge it .

If dodging the boil release fails . It hasnt shown that it could even melt kakuzu's Earth Spear which the data book says is as hard as diamond .. which if true means lava would not be able to melt it .. seeing as it most likely was an exageration .. it still hasnt shown feats for it being able to melt it ...

Meis Corrosive Acid

Meis Corrosive acid could be countered Fairly Easily With Kakuz's Massive Wind Style Jutsu. Rivaling a natural disaster could easily blow her mist away..

Meis Water Dragon. .

I have heard that meis Water Dragon was especially strong for one ... but i have found out recently that she uses the same jutsu as zabuza did so it is not Stronger then the average water Dragon. If Not Dodged .. Water<Earth So It would deffenently Not be able to Pierce his Earth Spear ... Or He could Just Simply Melt It

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Now To Put kakuzu on the offensive i will just put it into one Broad Summary

Offense

Unlike kakuzu mei has shown no particular feats of dodging . and Her only defensive Jutsu is Water Encampment Pillar Which If not Evaporated By Wind+Fire Culd Be Pierced By the Threads Of EARTH Grunge Fear She could not just simply Dodge Due to their Quickness

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Before She Could Even use the jutsu She would Be in the process of being bombarded by Different Jutsu . from different directions. While Having to avoid (which is hard) or tank 3 massive Jutsu ( Searing Migraine , False Darkness, And Pressure Damage..) I watch English Dubb

XD If i missed anything of mei's or a weakness of kakuzu's Destroy me with it lol ( try not to insult each other as well that always annoys me when people are rude during debates)

Yes, you have proved to me he has the speed to keep up

There is no real proof that kakazu's skin actually has the properties of daimond, but we do know its resillient enough to block most moves. Meis skilled mist technique however can give kakazu a run for his money.

Quick scenario, mei uses hiding in the mist technique to blind kakazu, with the boil releasse she can raise the heat and density of the mist plus also use skilled mist technique, using the hidden mist tech as a comuflage for the acidic mist to burn kakazu alongside the lava which she can use to coat the floor and his body with. Since not even 3 tomoe sharingan can see through zabuzas mist, and meis suiton style is considerable more advanced, i doubt kakazu is seeing through it. If she does Melting Apparition Technique while the mist is active he can neither jump to evade the attack nor move sideways to avoid the attack since lava is on the floor and the skilled mist technique lingers within the hidden mist technique. It may not melt it right away but even daimond can be melted if it is heated to its peak.

Any katon attack can be nullified with the encampment pillar; as for raiton like i said COULD be countered with lava. since earth is used to make lava release, that is out of the question really but i cannot say sh will effortlessly deal with ALL his elements.

You forget that kakashi and naruto was both able to evade the grudge fear tech but obviously it almost got them. seeing as she has shown sufficient amount of evasivness its safe to say she can struggle dodging them however i dont think he will be too keen to ram it through globs of lava

Your quite good at debating

 

[Zexion~]

Thanks you are too
However you forgot about his wind style to blow the mist away.. Which would render the mist useless .... And Fire + wind style has been shown to evaporate water style as shown in a link my first post.

Your mist+lava scenario was a good one but .as said by shikamaru kakuzu was a "cool customer who doesn't let himself get carried away" and it was shown to be true. So he wouldnt make any moves in the mist without knowing what would happen. After the wind style he would be able to clearly see the lava thus easily avoiding it .. And i think your right about the earth spear solving the lava .. so he would have to dodge it which he has shown capable ... Now you can post a full argument instead of just a counter like you did above lol.

* ps loved the kakuzu quote whether it was intentional or not.. "A run for his money" lol kakuzu says that in anime

 

[TheTailedSage]

Thanks you are too
However you forgot about his wind style to blow the mist away.. Which would render the mist useless .... And Fire + wind style has been shown to evaporate water style as shown in a link my first post.

Your mist+lava scenario was a good one but .as said by shikamaru kakuzu was a "cool customer who doesn't let himself get carried away" and it was shown to be true. So he wouldnt make any moves in the mist without knowing what would happen. After the wind style he would be able to clearly see the lava thus easily avoiding it .. And i think your right about the earth spear solving the lava .. so he would have to dodge it which he has shown capable ... Now you can post a full argument instead of just a counter like you did above lol.

* ps loved the kakuzu quote whether it was intentional or not.. "A run for his money" lol kakuzu says that in anime

Mist that thick and wide spreaded cant simply be blown away with simple fuuton however it may clear a portion away slightly. Fire and wind Vs water and lava though and mei would have the advantage, remember the mist is nothing more than a distraction so she has lucrative options to choose from in terms of tactics and jutsu to use.

Thats a plausable situation however if shes putting lava on the ground there isnt much things he can do while on ground level, this will ultimately force him to either go in the trees. Then mei would use mist again; he would have one of two options

1.use fuuton and clear mist away
2.try to maneuver in mist

Using fuuton to clear mist gives his position away thus mei returning to combat and moving in the mist is a reckless act so knowing kakazu he would wait which still he would be a sitting duck.

Most of kakazu elements are nullified really, killing his hearts would be fairly easy IF she plays here cards right. water bullets definately take out katon heart. If what you say about fuuton making her mist useless, knowing mei with kage intellect, she will aim to take out this heart above all so she would have the advantage in that department. Raiton would most probably be the toughest to take out

Kakasu is fast yes but remember naruto caught him with a rasen shuriken which requires naruto to run towards kakazu, this parcially proves that using his max power casues his speed and stamina to eventually deplete.

(heheh i never actually noticed xD thankS! )

 

[Zexion~]

Destroying Kakuzu's Hearts?
Destroying the wind mask is not easy As you can see it has the ability to glide/fly Pretty Fast hitting it would be hard

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Also Kakuzu's wind style is not Just a puny futon

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That would be able to clear the mist easily.
All of kakuzu's hearts are mobile and even the lightning and fire hearts can jump/glide. With mei's slow lava bullets it would be hard to hit them. And she deffenently couldnt take all of them in one lava bullet. So while shes aiming for one another could be blasting her with jutsu like this

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Naruto Finishing kakuzu?

Well naruto was able to hit Kakuzu with rasen shurikan by having a shadow clone hit kakuzu from behind his speed was not in play. Naruto's victory was also related to PNJ but thats another point.

Kakuzu's Elements Nullified Lava/boil release has not been shown to nullify any elements the only one of kakuzu's elements she could absolutley counter is kakuzu's Fire style.

Earth Grundge Fear
You are also forgetting One of if not kakuzu's greatest technique .. His Earth Grundge Fear
He can use his threads as a weapon to either strangulate

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Or pierce The opponents body and rip out organs

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Mei does not really have a counter for that

 

[TheTailedSage]

Destroying Kakuzu's Hearts?
Destroying the wind mask is not easy As you can see it has the ability to glide/fly Pretty Fast hitting it would be hard

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Also Kakuzu's wind style is not Just a puny futon

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That would be able to clear the mist easily.
All of kakuzu's hearts are mobile and even the lightning and fire hearts can jump/glide. With mei's slow lava bullets it would be hard to hit them. And she deffenently couldnt take all of them in one lava bullet. So while shes aiming for one another could be blasting her with jutsu like this

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Naruto Finishing kakuzu?

Well naruto was able to hit Kakuzu with rasen shurikan by having a shadow clone hit kakuzu from behind his speed was not in play. Naruto's victory was also related to PNJ but thats another point.

Kakuzu's Elements Nullified Lava/boil release has not been shown to nullify any elements the only one of kakuzu's elements she could absolutley counter is kakuzu's Fire style.

Earth Grundge Fear
You are also forgetting One of if not kakuzu's greatest technique .. His Earth Grundge Fear
He can use his threads as a weapon to either strangulate

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Or pierce The opponents body and rip out organs

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Mei does not really have a counter for that

Heheh your making this difficult Good!!

You underestimate hidden mist technique although i admit to it clearing a portion of the mist, its radius as shown by zabuza is wide enough if not wider to cover the entire shinobi alliance sqad which kakashi leaded. You should also remember that killing the hearts is do-able as kakashi has shown us, and mei has shown us that she is more than capable to keep up with speed. its not just her lava release she can use but she can also use her water bullet to chase the hearts in high pursuit. If any of the hearts, mainly raiton and fuuton, try to hit her then water encampment pillar can block them or be used as a distraction. Just realize that if she takes out the fuuton heart like i said, it goes downhill for kakazu and the other hearts will have a hard time actually find theirselves through the mist as well as kakazu. Her priority one is to take out the one heart that can nullify her mist technique.

Of coruse his speed was in play, in order to dodge a clone from behind your reflexes need to be on point.

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If its showing us here that a strong enough suiton can take out fire AND wind then surley enough her suiton would be a major trump in this match; PLUS! since raiton isnt suitons weakness her water dragon bullet can override the raiton and use it to its advantage. Dotton is obviously out of the question

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This is the point im making about his reflexes, he was careless and the fact that kakazus nature is to underestimate the opponent, this gives him the disadvantage, The mist for Mei would work in a similar way, since she gets rid of the fuuton (hypothetically possible) and goes for him in the mist, there isnt much he can do really. His salvage and bloodlust nature believe it or not is a disadvantage.

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we see kakashi slice the tendrils in half now here the point im making with the almighty earth grudge. Yes its most certainly powerful and will give mei a hard time but the fact is that they can be destroyed. skilled mist technique can melt his tendrils and maybe even kakazus skin.

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Again here, his analysis of the battle was overthrown by NARUTO. now im not saying kakazus dumb for falling for it however seeing as kakazu is the assumption type of guys then mei again has the ability to over throw him in battle analysis. He may have the speed to catch her off gaurd but if he cant utilize it in the right way and carefully analyze the situation alongside plan b'2 (example is he hit the clone using rasen shuriken but if he had a plan be to resort to he would of at least escaped the jutsu again).

Btw as you can see it wasnt a clone that hit him but he used a clone to trick kakazu

This is a close debate

 

[Zexion~]

Well for starters i couldnt see your links or images :/ but i got the gist of it
Overestimating the hidden mist
About the hidden mist ... Well for starters that was zabuza who was skilled in using the Hidden mist jutsu for assasination purposes . Mei takes on a more Head on use for it and has never been shown to encompass huge areas. And even if she could the wind style would take care of the portion of it kakuzu's in .. or he could just use it twice.
Kakuzu is actually A smart shinobi who usually doesnt let his guard down
Ill admit he did have a tendancy to underestimate KIDS but not jonin and above.. as you can see he is constantly reminding hidan not to let his guard down

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So he wouldnt underestimate the mizukage.

without the picture i couldnt really understand what you were saying about the suton taking out fire and wind:/
Slicing the tenticals is pointless
The tendrils can be sliced in half but he has shown an unlimited ammount meaning slicing them would be futile.

also him falling for rasen shurikan was the way of kishi making sure naruto won

 

[Zexion~]

lmao judges need to judge soon im curious