These guys beat minato so why...

[Uchihakil]

Due to minato's lack of versatility, some characters like;

- Kisame
- Gaara
- Bee
- Suigetsu (well both can't take neither down, suigetsu's liquid body is immune to physical attacks and also rasengan)
- Gengetsu (also has liquid body)
- Kabuto (liquid body + superior skillset)
- Muu (minato can't fight what he can't see/sense)
- Danzou (with KA oneshots, without it minato shits though)

His lack of versatiliy puts him below these guys and the one's listed below would either give him a hard time or probably even defeat him

- Tobirama (has superior chakra, is smarter, and also has more techniques like edo tensei etc) I personally think tobirama is stronger though

- v2 kin/gin bros (can minato harm v2 jins? That's the question)

- kakuzu (how does minato counter domu?)

- sandaime raikage (how does he bypass the thirds armour with a mere kunai and a rasengan (having intel like naruto is another case, but it's not an intel you'd figure out in a battle but by asking around) I only put the sandaime in the prolly list because minato can get lucky

I know top tier lists are based on who beats who more, that's why I'm confused on how minato on most tier lists qualify, I don't wanna bring itachi because I know it's gonna end up in a minato vs itachi debate, but due minato's arsenal, it makes it hard for him to beat alot of characters (I know minato is strong because he beat masked man, but let's face it, his ftg is the MOST suitable technique to fight obito's kamui, + it was a young obito who for some retarded reason did'nt want to use genjutsu on minato despite them having eye contact)

So some explaination would do as to why he is overrated

 

[Claymantan]

Due to minato's lack of versatility, some characters like;

- Kisame
- Gaara
- Bee
- Suigetsu (well both can't take neither down, suigetsu's liquid body is immune to physical attacks and also rasengan)
- Gengetsu (also has liquid body)
- Kabuto (liquid body + superior skillset)
- Muu (minato can't fight what he can't see/sense)
- Danzou (with KA oneshots, without it minato shits though)

His lack of versatiliy puts him below these guys and the one's listed below would either give him a hard time or probably even defeat him

He isn't overrated, these battles don't really come up though

But I think he can beat Gaara if he uses FTG creatively. Liquid body =/= invincible, also.

Also, you have to restrict his RDS.

 

[Uchihakil]

He isn't overrated, these battles don't really come up though

But I think he can beat Gaara if he uses FTG creatively. Liquid body =/= invincible, also.

Also, you have to restrict his RDS.

RDS is suicide, suicide does'nt count as beating an opponent, and gaara can sink all of minato's kunai's as well as has arial advantage plus sand aoto protection which minato does'nt have the fire power to bypass

 

[Simbv]

Due to minato's lack of versatility, some characters like;

- Kisame
- Gaara
- Bee
- Suigetsu (well both can't take neither down, suigetsu's liquid body is immune to physical attacks and also rasengan)
- Gengetsu (also has liquid body)
- Kabuto (liquid body + superior skillset)
- Muu (minato can't fight what he can't see/sense)
- Danzou (with KA oneshots, without it minato shits though)

His lack of versatiliy puts him below these guys and the one's listed below would either give him a hard time or probably even defeat him

- Tobirama (has superior chakra, is smarter, and also has more techniques like edo tensei etc) I personally think tobirama is stronger though

- v2 kin/gin bros (can minato harm v2 jins? That's the question)

- kakuzu (how does minato counter domu?)

- sandaime raikage (how does he bypass the thirds armour with a mere kunai and a rasengan (having intel like naruto is another case, but it's not an intel you'd figure out in a battle but by asking around) I only put the sandaime in the prolly list because minato can get lucky

I know top tier lists are based on who beats who more, that's why I'm confused on how minato on most tier lists qualify, I don't wanna bring itachi because I know it's gonna end up in a minato vs itachi debate, but due minato's arsenal, it makes it hard for him to beat alot of characters (I know minato is strong because he beat masked man, but let's face it, his ftg is the MOST suitable technique to fight obito's kamui, + it was a young obito who for some retarded reason did'nt want to use genjutsu on minato despite them having eye contact)

So some explaination would do as to why he is overrated

I think he can beat kisame
Defeat Gaara simply because he can mark his body with FTG, so sinking his Kunai is a weak argument.
I would have to debate the outcome of Bee's battle
Stalemate Suigetsu and Gengutsu?
What version of Kabuto. Since when does Kabuto have a liquid body?
Would need to study Muu's abilities.
KA is OP.

 

[Uchihakil]

I think he can beat kisame
Defeat Gaara simply because he can mark his body with FTG, so sinking his Kunai is a weak argument.
I would have to debate the outcome of Bee's battle
Stalemate Suigetsu and Gengutsu?
What version of Kabuto. Since when does Kabuto have a liquid body?
Would need to study Muu's abilities.
KA is OP.

DSM kabuto (if you don't remember reread manga, itachi and sasuke vs kabuto)

Beat kisame you say (this had been argued and majority believe kisame beats him, he absorbs rasengan with either his body or samehada, kisame tanked a lariat that took out his torso, some measely kunai cuts aint doing jack to him, water dome shits on him)

The thing is he can't tag gaara because of the sand surrounding him (this is also a matchup that's been debated and majority chose gaara)

 

[Simbv]

Gaara' sand defense can be countered using immense speed, you know that.

Kisame water dome can be countered using FTG also.

 

[Uchihakil]

Gaara' sand defense can be countered using immense speed, you know that.

Kisame water dome can be countered using FTG also.

This aint part one gaara, this is war arc gaara who is keeping up with fast opponents, and his auto sand blocked amaterasu as well as stopped raikage from guillotine drop, the speed of his sand is waaay better than part one, plus gaara can just go arial and keep spamming sand tsunami, sand rain and overwhelm minato with sand

What will ftg do to water dome?? Kisame summons water, minato can't teleport water, plus kisame underwater will rape minato, majority believe kisame beats minato, there's a kisame vs minato on the versus thread matchup go check it out and see the responses

 

[Simbv]

This aint part one gaara, this is war arc gaara who is keeping up with fast opponents, and his auto sand blocked amaterasu as well as stopped raikage from guillotine drop, the speed of his sand is waaay better than part one, plus gaara can just go arial and keep spamming sand tsunami, sand rain and overwhelm minato with sand

What will ftg do to water dome?? Kisame summons water, minato can't teleport water, plus kisame underwater will rape minato, majority believe kisame beats minato, there's a kisame vs minato on the versus thread matchup go check it out and see the responses

If he can teleport Kurama himself, a TBB , And Truth Seeker Orbs he can teleport water.

 

[Uchihakil]

If he can teleport Kurama himself, a TBB , And Truth Seeker Orbs he can teleport water.

So you believe minato can teleport a lake huh? Or a pond?

 

[Simbv]

So you believe minato can teleport a lake huh? Or a pond?

The manga doesn't say otherwise to my knowledge.

 

[Uchihakil]

The manga doesn't say otherwise to my knowledge.

Naah dude how does he mark water to even teleport it, its like marking jinton or marking lighting, how is that even physically possible

 

[Simbv]

Naah dude how does he mark water to even teleport it, its like marking jinton or marking lighting, how is that even physically possible

By throwing his Kunai in the water....

 

[Uchihakil]

By throwing his Kunai in the water....

Lmao, minato would be in the water dome, he teleports the water dome and kisame comes with it, apparently all he will be doing by teleporting the water dome is just changing their location, which would just be chakra wastage (that's assuming he can teleport the water dome)

 

[Beans2]

Of the people you listed:

I agree that Kisame, Gaara, Bee, Kabuto, 3rd Raikage, Tobirama, and Danzo w/ KA beat him.

Suigetsu and Gengetsu lose. The Hydrification technique is rendered null by the fact that multiple Rasengans would splatter their bodies all over the place to the point where they can't reform. Gengetsu's clam can be located by Ma's tongue which can sniff out opponents.

Kakuzu loses. Multiple Rasengans break through Domu. Same reason Kin/Gin lose.

Muu probably loses. Jinton is reacted to and evaded, and can be redirected right back at Muu with S/T barrier. Guerrilla attacks are countered with clones and FTG.

 

[Uchihakil]

Of the people you listed:

I agree that Kisame, Gaara, Bee, Kabuto, 3rd Raikage, Tobirama, and Danzo w/ KA beat him.

Suigetsu and Gengetsu lose. The Hydrification technique is rendered null by the fact that multiple Rasengans would splatter their bodies all over the place to the point where they can't reform. Gengetsu's clam can be located by Ma's tongue which can sniff out opponents.

Kakuzu loses. Multiple Rasengans break through Domu. Same reason Kin/Gin lose.

Muu probably loses. Jinton is reacted to and evaded, and can be redirected right back at Muu with S/T barrier. Guerrilla attacks are countered with clones and FTG.

Muu can just walk up to minato and casually stab him (muu is hax) he has a form of izanagi also to deceieve his opponents

And check out the clam techniue, it is said that only contact sensors can sense it, so ma aint sensing the clam, I don't know how minato defeats jouki boy, neither rasengan not kunai would work on it, and splattering water around won't make suigestu stop reforming, though overall minato is stronger but lacks the sinishing blow

Rasengan can't bypass domu

 

[LoZelda101]

Due to minato's lack of versatility, some characters like;

- Kisame
- Gaara
- Bee
- Suigetsu (well both can't take neither down, suigetsu's liquid body is immune to physical attacks and also rasengan)
- Gengetsu (also has liquid body)
- Kabuto (liquid body + superior skillset)
- Muu (minato can't fight what he can't see/sense)
- Danzou (with KA oneshots, without it minato shits though)

****ing disgusting. you're telling me it's so taboo to bring up itachi that you'd rather have those weakass bolds capable of handling FTG minato? but not someone who has received the most in-manga hype with an unusual high success rate throughout the series that isn't even the main villain/protagonist? lmao whatever

 

[Uchihakil]

****ing disgusting. you're telling me it's so taboo to bring up itachi that you'd rather have those weakass bolds capable of handling FTG minato? but not someone who has received the most in-manga hype with an unusual high success rate throughout the series that isn't even the main villain/protagonist? lmao whatever

Those weakasses would still beat minato, how does minato counter KA? I said without KA he shits on danzou

Already gave you reasons on how gaara beats him, plus its agreed upon that he is a bad matchup for minato

Suigetsu tbh can't kill minato, he should be in the second batch

 

[Ambivalence]

How does Ay III beat Minato again?

 

[LoZelda101]

Those weakasses would still beat minato, how does minato counter KA? I said without KA he shits on danzou

Already gave you reasons on how gaara beats him, plus its agreed upon that he is a bad matchup for minato

Suigetsu tbh can't kill minato, he should be in the second batch

itachi had koto and his susanoo can also tank rasengans, on top of the fact that his gen can bypass even elite sensors.

 

[Uchihakil]

itachi had koto and his susanoo can also tank rasengans, on top of the fact that his gen can bypass even elite sensors.

Dude I know itachi shits on minato, I just did'nt put him up there to avoid a minato vs itachi thread