There's some things you have to accept

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Now, in every series, especially manga series, there are many different type of characters. They can all be summed up in three broad categories, however, and that is: Main characters, Villians, and Supporting or side characters.

However, I've noticed a lot of people seem to be unable to accept some basic inevitable truths about each category, and that's quite sad because then you bash Kishi for it, when in reality, you allowed yourself to expect something that just isn't so.

With main characters, you have to accept that they will most likely win in the end. Even if you have the baddest villain, something will happen to them that will allow the main characters to win. That's just how the story goes. They will receive the most attention, and get development that outshines the likes of supporting characters. I'll touch on this in a second too. You have to accept that the main characters will sometimes have plot shields, or receive power-ups that give an immediate boost of power with no training.

With villains, you have the accept the villain loses. If a villain loses, you can't go "Oh that's BS!" Yes, the WAY they lose may be BS, and you can touch on that, but losing comes with being a villain. NB doesn't have this problem as much.

Then there's supporting characters. THIS is NB's problem. Like I said before, main characters get the most attention. If you allow yourself to become a fan of a supporting or side character, like Shikamaru, or TenTen, or Neji, or Lee, then you have to accept that these characters will not have the spotlight like Team 7 or the main villains will, they will need receive the same amount of development. That's just the way it is, and it's why they are side characters. Remember, this isn't some reality show called "The Life and Times of Every Freaking Ninja", it's a story, and stories have focal points. If a character is outside the focal point, they won't be touched on. In Part 1, it allowed them to have spotlight because they had a part in the focal point. Shippuden shifted that focal point to include other characters, and less characters. With the introduction of Akatsuki, and Kumo and Iwa nin, it's pretty much inevitable for characters like K11 to lose spotlight. Getting upset when a supporting character isn't developed like a main character is like buying a turtle and getting upset that you can't ride it school.
 

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Kishi has already proven akatsuki members are completely garbage by letting get solo by fodders except pain&itachi(those two just way too strong to get solo by fodders. There's a limit to the amount of asspull
 

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Kishi has already proven akatsuki members are completely garbage by letting get solo by fodders except pain&itachi(those two just way too strong to get solo by fodders. There's a limit to the amount of asspull

TIL, Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, Gai, Shikamaru, and Tobi are fodders.
 

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Riker made a thread? Wat...

OT: Those archetypes, tho.
 

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Getting upset when a supporting character isn't developed like a main character is like buying a turtle and getting upset that you can't ride it school.

Lets not turtle bash, I mean they win the race against rabbits right? They can also be ninja... and eat pizza, can your honda do that?

I agree with you, almost 100% (The turtle hate is strong), characters are meant to be used in such a complicity to drive a story forward. Its not complicated, its call Naruto, he is going to win, villians going to lose (as you say it) its IF its a matter of HOW, thats the fun part.
 

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Wait, you mean this isn't the manga "The Life and Times of Every Freaking Ninja"? I've been on the wrong site the entire time...

OT: Completely agree. The NB members that apply to this thread have the idea that a character they like should get attention just because they like them and think they're cool. Doesn't work like that, not when they don't belong to the main characters. They have the concept that their favorite character should be a factor in some way, shape or form. But if that was the case, the manga would be really disheveled and unorganized at times.
 

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Their are archetypes, and literary roles- however they don't exist to make stories predictable or bland


- there are plenty off manga that don't follow the preset roles. Following too much is bad writing- a good writer knows when to break the rules- or abide by them z

It's usually only kids stories that stay true to good always beats evil- adult stories in the fiction genre are well known for breaking away fr archetypes- however- you could argue naruto is supposed to be a kid storie - if so, then having expeditions for a good adult story is going to make people upset ( these people tend to bash kishi) it's all about demographics

Personally, I think character roles are fine- kishi just needs to stop relying on speeches for everything - and plan more so he doesnot need to put flashbacks everywhere in order to justify asspulls
 
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Preach it! People are just stuck in the Part 1 days when Naruto and Co. were kids and punching each other in the nuts for fun. Now we're trying to save the ninja world from it's own corrupt and volatile ways, and people are upset that the characters from Part 1 aren't relevant outside Konoha.
 

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Kishi has already proven akatsuki members are completely garbage by letting get solo by fodders except pain&itachi(those two just way too strong to get solo by fodders. There's a limit to the amount of asspull

Haha fodder well your butthurt or just the obvious troll.
 

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And these are the same people that get mad when you say "Check the name of the manga."

Well it's true. The manga is called "Naruto." It's going to revolve around Naruto. Don't like it? Go read fan fic on you sideline character.

Yes, characters should get their chance to shine, but they're not all relevant. To be upset that your favorite isn't always focused on or included as much is pretty damn sad and lame.
 

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Preach it! People are just stuck in the Part 1 days when Naruto and Co. were kids and punching each other in the nuts for fun. Now we're trying to save the ninja world from it's own corrupt and volatile ways, and people are upset that the characters from Part 1 aren't relevant outside Konoha.

God damn, I haven't laughed that hard in a while..
 

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This is just on the Naruto type of mangas ......there's a lot of others that have the balance that people want in here. But I agree ....at least with Naruto , people should expect that type of stuff .
 

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Their are archetypes, and literary roles- however they don't exist to make stories predictable or bland


- there are plenty off manga that don't follow the preset roles. Following too much is bad writing- a good writer knows when to break the rules- or abide by them z

It's usually only kids stories that stay true to good always beats evil- adult stories in the fiction genre are well known for breaking away fr archetypes- however- you could argue naruto is supposed to be a kid storie - if so, then having expeditions for a good adult story is going to make people upset ( these people tend to bash kishi) it's all about demographics

Personally, I think character roles are fine- kishi just needs to stop relying on speeches for everything - and plan more so he doesnot need to put flashbacks everywhere in order to justify asspulls

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not Kishi HAS to do this type of stuff. He has broken these archetypes time and time again, like with Obito helping the alliance instead of being a defeated villain, or Gai being one of the top weapons against Juubi Madara. What I'm saying is, if Kishi does go with these archetypes, you shouldn't be all "OMG Kishi, wtf are you doing, you can't do that, that's bad."
 

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Haha fodder well your butthurt or just the obvious troll.

Why butthurt? If they are weak, just point the finger and laugh at them. It's not worth it to waste your energy to defend weak fictional characters.

weak people are ugly, weak senju are the ugliest!
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I agree with you and appreciate that you took the time to post this. People need to accept this!
 

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Now, in every series, especially manga series, there are many different type of characters. They can all be summed up in three broad categories, however, and that is: Main characters, Villians, and Supporting or side characters.

However, I've noticed a lot of people seem to be unable to accept some basic inevitable truths about each category, and that's quite sad because then you bash Kishi for it, when in reality, you allowed yourself to expect something that just isn't so.

With main characters, you have to accept that they will most likely win in the end. Even if you have the baddest villain, something will happen to them that will allow the main characters to win. That's just how the story goes. They will receive the most attention, and get development that outshines the likes of supporting characters. I'll touch on this in a second too. You have to accept that the main characters will sometimes have plot shields, or receive power-ups that give an immediate boost of power with no training.

With villains, you have the accept the villain loses. If a villain loses, you can't go "Oh that's BS!" Yes, the WAY they lose may be BS, and you can touch on that, but losing comes with being a villain. NB doesn't have this problem as much.

Then there's supporting characters. THIS is NB's problem. Like I said before, main characters get the most attention. If you allow yourself to become a fan of a supporting or side character, like Shikamaru, or TenTen, or Neji, or Lee, then you have to accept that these characters will not have the spotlight like Team 7 or the main villains will, they will need receive the same amount of development. That's just the way it is, and it's why they are side characters. Remember, this isn't some reality show called "The Life and Times of Every Freaking Ninja", it's a story, and stories have focal points. If a character is outside the focal point, they won't be touched on. In Part 1, it allowed them to have spotlight because they had a part in the focal point. Shippuden shifted that focal point to include other characters, and less characters. With the introduction of Akatsuki, and Kumo and Iwa nin, it's pretty much inevitable for characters like K11 to lose spotlight. Getting upset when a supporting character isn't developed like a main character is like buying a turtle and getting upset that you can't ride it school.

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