There's no excuse for Saaukes actions

[Devauzamaki]

Teen Sasuke actions arent justified even if his family died

Kakashi lost his parents,sensei,mentor,teammate,and was led to believe his best friend to while in reality he was stirring turmoil and darkness which he'd later have to fight against.

Konoha led his dad to commit suicide. Didn't see him hold a grudge against them and want revenge did you?

Kurama contributed to killing his sensei. Didn't see him hate naruto for housing Kurama and want revenge despite naruto having no control over what happen did you?

Hidden mist attacked Rin and kinapped her albeit manipulated by Madara and that ultimately led to her death. Don't see Kakashi paying the mist a visit and kidnapping females for revenge do you?


If Kakashi could bear his burdens. So could Sasuke.

 

[whiteboy2345]

No one could bear the burdens Kakashi and Sasuke faced. Kakashi's character is an impossible standard for any person to meet. Both of your friends and sensei being taken away by a cruel world would make anyone dark and driven toward some twisted goal in a world like Naruto.

Sasuke abandoning Suigetsu, Juugo, and trying to kill Karin along with attacking Killer Bee was wrong. Beyond those actions, he didn't actually do much harm.

I want you to stop for a second and really think about whether Kakashi's dealing with his grief is even close to realistic.

 

[To Whatever]

No one could bear the burdens Kakashi and Sasuke faced. Kakashi's character is an impossible standard for any person to meet. Both of your friends and sensei being taken away by a cruel world would make anyone dark and driven toward some twisted goal in a world like Naruto.

Sasuke abandoning Suigetsu, Juugo, and trying to kill Karin along with attacking Killer Bee was wrong. Beyond those actions, he didn't actually do much harm.

I want you to stop for a second and really think about whether Kakashi's dealing with his grief is even close to realistic.

Kakashi doesn't have an acute emotional vulnerability to losing love.


Sasuke feels everything x4. For a guy shrouded in darkness, he feels things a **** ton more than the average person. He's literally Naruto, except Naruto endured.


Not to mention being realistic here doesnt work seeing how if it were realistic, Sasuke would be mentally castrated via drugs or kept under medical supervision.

 

[SenseiSama]

When your family gets attacked for crimes they did not commit you have every reason to fight back, it's called SEEKING JUSTICE. What you're saying is like "the world has no excuse to fight against Hitler because killing is wrong". That's bullshit, sometimes violence is the only solution to peace, Madara and Obito proved it.



And Sasuke was right to attack the Kages because they initiated the fight, all he did was try to avoid them and kill Danzo but WZ snitched and then he was forced to defend himself.

 

[To Whatever]

When your family gets attacked for crimes they did not commit you have every reason to fight back, it's called SEEKING JUSTICE. What you're saying is like "the world has no excuse to fight against Hitler because killing is wrong". That's bullshit, sometimes violence is the only solution to peace, Madara and Obito proved it.



And Sasuke was right to attack the Kages because they initiated the fight, all he did was try to avoid them and kill Danzo but WZ snitched and then he was forced to defend himself.

Sasuke was planning on killing everyone in Konoha. Women, Men, Elderly, Babies, etc. He was planning on killing them all.

His viewpoint was that they were laughing due to his clan's sacrifice, enjoying their lives despite the cost. When a majority praised the uchiha and demonized one man.

His rational is fucked.


He was going to resurrect the kages and make them murder innocent lives during a time of war.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Kakashi doesn't have an acute emotional vulnerability to losing love.


Sasuke feels everything x4. For a guy shrouded in darkness, he feels things a **** ton more than the average person. He's literally Naruto, except Naruto endured.

Kakashi lost everything, his dealing with it is unnatural. You and I both know this. In a world like Naruto where everyone has a power that changes the world around them, Kakashi sitting around doing nothing is incredibly unlikely. Kakashi being a lot like Sasuke after all he's been through would be extremely normal for human standards.

Naruto and Sasuke are not the same. Naruto gained everything while Sasuke lost everything. The grief the two of them went through are very different and are not equal. Naruto endured without a doubt, but what was there for Sasuke to endure. His grief? It'd last forever, it wasn't something he could overcome like Naruto's situation with the villager's respect. Sasuke then drove his older brother to his death, only to find out both he and his brother were just used up and thrown away with the rest of their family, and that his brother was just a lost pawn who didn't know any better.

Sasuke attacking Killer Bee and trying to kill Karin wasn't out of grief, just pure anger and nonchalance.

 

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[whiteboy2345]

Sasuke was planning on killing everyone in Konoha. Women, Men, Elderly, Babies, etc. He was planning on killing them all.

His viewpoint was that they were laughing due to his clan's sacrifice, enjoying their lives despite the cost. When a majority praised the uchiha and demonized one man.

His rational is fucked.


He was going to resurrect the kages and make them murder innocent lives during a time of war.

Sasuke didn't do any of those things.

If any two Hokage's deserved to be forced to tear their own village apart it'd have to be Tobirama and Hiruzen.


I try not to listen to the arguments of you Naruto faps anyways, you'll justify the Uchiha genocide but if Sasuke decides to do the same thing in the name of Justice, it's all of a sudden evil. If we can all agree that genocide is evil, then this argument would be over.

 

[To Whatever]

Kakashi lost everything, his dealing with it is unnatural. You and I both know this. In a world like Naruto where everyone has a power that changes the world around them, Kakashi sitting around doing nothing is incredibly unlikely. Kakashi being a lot like Sasuke after all he's been through would be extremely normal for human standards.

Naruto and Sasuke are not the same. Naruto gained everything while Sasuke lost everything. The grief the two of them went through are very different and are not equal. Naruto endured without a doubt, but what was there for Sasuke to endure. His grief? It'd last forever, it wasn't something he could overcome like Naruto's situation with the villager's respect. Sasuke then drove his older brother to his death, only to find out both he and his brother were just used up and thrown away with the rest of their family, and that his brother was just a lost pawn who didn't know any better.

Sasuke attacking Killer Bee and trying to kill Karin wasn't out of grief, just pure anger and nonchalance.

Unnatural? What are you basing this off of? You seriously underestimate humanity. Regardless of real life comparisons, in this fictional story Kishimoto wrote. Kakashi understood the concept of enduring. He's delt with things that Sasuke ran away from, sought to destroy things rather than overcome them.

Naruto and Sasuke are the same. The grief is the same. Sasuke admitted his mental weakness and knew he could have easily lived the life he wanted along side his friend and people who cared for him. Naruto's situation wasn't just a villager's respect.

Sasuke had grief because he felt love. Naruto didn't feel that for a long time, he went 16 years not even knowing what his parents looked like or the reason of their deaths. He's fought twice on the ashes of villagers, innocents, and allies. But he endured.



All the villains in this series were mostly Uchiha. It's a canon fact that their emotions are dialed to 10 whether its hatred, love, or jealousy.

Obito, Sasuke, Madara. All failed to endure, chose to change everyone and force them to conform to their ideology and take their punishment whether it was deserved or not.

Sasuke didn't do any of those things.

If any two Hokage's deserved to be forced to tear their own village apart it'd have to be Tobirama and Hiruzen.


I try not to listen to the arguments of you Naruto faps anyways, you'll justify the Uchiha genocide but if Sasuke decides to do the same thing in the name of Justice, it's all of a sudden evil. If we can all agree that genocide is evil, then this argument would be over.

Sasuke planned to do those things. He said he was going to kill everyone in Konoha, everyone who laughed at the expense of his clan, unknowingly or not. Just because he didn't go through with it doesn't mean it makes his premeditated murder of innocents any less sick and hypocritical.

The uchiha genocide isn't justified.

But it isn't excused what Sasuke wanted to do.

 

[SenseiSama]

Sasuke was planning on killing everyone in Konoha. Women, Men, Elderly, Babies, etc. He was planning on killing them all.

His viewpoint was that they were laughing due to his clan's sacrifice, enjoying their lives despite the cost. When a majority praised the uchiha and demonized one man.

His rational is fucked.


He was going to resurrect the kages and make them murder innocent lives during a time of war.

Uhmmm Idk if you read the manga but, uhmmm, there's this thing called Curse of Hatred, and you see uhmm, teenage boys go through extreme hormonal changes, and uhmmm, testosterone and shit,... oh and BZ also had the ability to enhance the Uchiha's hatred.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Unnatural? What are you basing this off of? You seriously underestimate humanity. Regardless of real life comparisons, in this fictional story Kishimoto wrote. Kakashi understood the concept of enduring. He's delt with things that Sasuke ran away from, sought to destroy things rather than overcome them.

Naruto and Sasuke are the same. The grief is the same. Sasuke admitted his mental weakness and knew he could have easily lived the life he wanted along side his friend and people who cared for him. Naruto's situation wasn't just a villager's respect.

Sasuke had grief because he felt love. Naruto didn't feel that for a long time, he went 16 years not even knowing what his parents looked like or the reason of their deaths. He's fought twice on the ashes of villagers, innocents, and allies. But he endured.



All the villains in this series were mostly Uchiha. It's a canon fact that their emotions are dialed to 10 whether its hatred, love, or jealousy.

Obito, Sasuke, Madara. All failed to endure, chose to change everyone and force them to conform to their ideology and take their punishment whether it was deserved or not.




Sasuke planned to do those things. He said he was going to kill everyone in Konoha, everyone who laughed at the expense of his clan, unknowingly or not. Just because he didn't go through with it doesn't mean it makes his premeditated murder of innocents any less sick and hypocritical.

The uchiha genocide isn't justified.

But it isn't excused what Sasuke wanted to do.

So if your grief is caused by a particular entity, merely endure because seeking out justice is just weak merely because other people around you refuse to do the same.

When does endurance end? When does someone pay up for making all of these people "endure" this shit?

 

[To Whatever]

Uhmmm Idk if you read the manga but, uhmmm, there's this thing called Curse of Hatred, and you see uhmm, teenage boys go through extreme hormonal changes, and uhmmm, testosterone and shit,... oh and BZ also had the ability to enhance the Uchiha's hatred.

Curse of hatred + Uchiha naturally being emotional + teenage angst + insecurities and self martyr tendencies.


And people think Sasuke has excuses for pulling the shit he did. Even HE doesn't have an excuse for the things he's done. He wouldn't have sought atonement.

So if your grief is caused by a particular entity, merely endure because seeking out justice is just weak merely because other people around you refuse to do the same.

When does endurance end? When does someone pay up for making all of these people "endure" this shit?

When your sense of justice results in the deaths of innocent people, more than your entire clan combined. Then yes, its flawed.

It's weak minded individuals who cannot endure in this story kishimoto wrote. It's his moral, not mine. Sasuke uchiha even stated this with his monologue in chapter 699.

he was a cry for help the entire series.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Uhmmm Idk if you read the manga but, uhmmm, there's this thing called Curse of Hatred, and you see uhmm, teenage boys go through extreme hormonal changes, and uhmmm, testosterone and shit,... oh and BZ also had the ability to enhance the Uchiha's hatred.

Sasuke's rage was not some curse of hatred shit. Anyone of us normal humans without a curse would be itching to destroy all of Konoha if we were in the same situation as Sasuke.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Curse of hatred + Uchiha naturally being emotional + teenage angst + insecurities and self martyr tendencies.


And people think Sasuke has excuses for pulling the shit he did. Even HE doesn't have an excuse for the things he's done. He wouldn't have sought atonement.



When your sense of justice results in the deaths of innocent people, more than your entire clan combined. Then yes, its flawed.

Lmao no one is excusing him trying to kill Karin or Killer Bee, what actions does he have to pay for besides those two?

 

[To Whatever]

Lmao no one is excusing him trying to kill Karin or Killer Bee, what actions does he have to pay for besides those two?

You honestly think he refused an arm and sent himself on a pilgrimage of atonement over karin and killer bee? You have severe bias towards Sasuke Uchiha.

You literally think he's done no wrong. Like literally everything he's done is justified.

 

[SenseiSama]

Lmao no one is excusing him trying to kill Karin or Killer Bee, what actions does he have to pay for besides those two?

It's called 'being undercover'. ANBU did this type of shit everyday under Danzo, heck Itachi killed his own family as an undercover mission. If Sasuke hadn't retrieved B then Obito wouldn't trust him and he would't be able to kill Danzo and eventually Akatsuki

 

[whiteboy2345]

You honestly think he refused an arm and sent himself on a pilgrimage of atonement over karin and killer bee? You have severe bias towards Sasuke Uchiha.

You literally think he's done no wrong. Like literally everything he's done is justified.

And yet you've failed to note any other crimes worth refusing an arm and a pilgrimage. Sasuke's actions were self centered but were never out of spite toward his friends and he never tried dragging them down with him. He didn't seek out Sakura and tell her he was leaving, she just happened to find him. He didn't beg the Genin's to chase after him and risk their lives, they did that on their own. Sasuke didn't beg anyone to chase him for years until he gave in, those were merely the actions of others.

Sasuke had a family to avenge when leaving the village. Their memories and justice mattered more than his friends. He never tried harming them out of spite, he just did what he thought was right and they put themselves in harms way.

Naruto attacked him at VOTE1, excusing any harm Sasuke dealt toward him.

Sakura tried killing Sasuke twice, excusing any attacks Sasuke dealt afterward.

Kakashi tried killing Sasuke.

The Gokage tried killing Sasuke.

The Samurai tried killing Sasuke.

Sasuke never begged for anyone to get involved. His personality isn't extroverted in any way.

 

[To Whatever]

It's called 'being undercover'. ANBU did this type of shit everyday under Danzo, heck Itachi killed his own family as an undercover mission. If Sasuke hadn't retrieved B then Obito wouldn't trust him and he would't be able to kill Danzo and eventually Akatsuki

You do realize that Sauske helping basically ushered a world ending event, right?


To kill one, man. And a village.

 

[whiteboy2345]

You do realize that Sauske helping basically ushered a world ending event, right?


To kill one, man. And a village.

So did Itachi, but everyone seems incapable of judging him.

 

[To Whatever]

So did Itachi, but everyone seems incapable of judging him.

Thats because they're doing what you're doing.